Getting back into GT4

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After spending a lot of time with GT5 (and getting completely bored with the repetition due to the unforgivable lack of things to do) I set up my old PS2 in the studyroom, hooked up my old DFEX wheel and some speakers and deleted my old GT4 game save to start a new career.

Wow! I didn't know I had missed it so much.. Driving around El Capitan with an old Skyline, pushing an M3 CSL around Coste di Amalfi, rally racing a souped up Impreza on French Alps...

I don't care about the pixelated mess that are the graphics (compared to the HD goodness of GT5). The experience and sense of freedom, and the wealth of things to do makes up for everything and more.

This is what a driving game is all about! Not, the patronizing nanny behavior of GT5, but hundreds of events and car dealerships that let you buy almost everything when you want it, right from the start. And prizecars that are actually useful and desirable.

There's no other way of putting it: compared to the monumental GT4, the only way to describe GT5 is an utter failure, a wasted effort and a trainwreck of a game.

I'm so glad I still have my PS2. Looks like I'm in for some good times again! I'm saving my credits for a 787b... or maybe for an R8 Race Car... I can't decide! But first I'm going to win that RX8 LM Race Car! :sly:

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Good post, I feel the same way about GT5 sadly...

I've been thinking about grabbing a ps2 and GT4 for while now.. I don't even play GT5 anymore except for the odd blast on the Nurburg. I only pop by here every now and then to see if anything's new..
Been having way more fun with F1 2010 over the last couple of weeks and hoping that Shift 2 turns out well.

Here's to having fun :cheers:
 
Yeah, GT4 is awesome, but GT5 has way better physics (let's forget about stupid modern tech arguments like graphics and crap).

GT4 was a much better game in general, indeed.

In the end, I'd rather stick to Tourist Trophy, that one, dude, is THE BEST thing PD has ever made.
 
In the end, I'd rather stick to Tourist Trophy, that one, dude, is THE BEST thing PD has ever made.

Amen to that. Check out the Ring video by RacerPaul in my sig. It'll get your heart pumping. It's a thing of beauty. 👍
 
Yeah, GT4 is awesome, but GT5 has way better physics

I've heard many people say this, and since GT5 is newer and took 6 years to complete it's not surprising.... But I've never actually noticed much of difference in the physics. Where are the biggest improvements exactly?
 
GT4 and TT were,in my opinion,much ahead of the curve those days. I wouldn't know about physics,but they took 6 years and the shadows still look like pacman. I have a hundred moronic things about GT5 that I could complain about,but enough of them have been listed in the forum.

The only mechanic I actually liked about GT5 was the interaction with people I had when trading was hassle-free. And come to think of it,trading was not even game related. As a gamer I am extremely put off when they give you something from the get go and take it away when it doesn't add/detract to what the game actually signifies,a driving game.

I think I'll dust off my ps2 and get down to some GT4 or TT.
 
I'll agree with certain parts of the OP's statements, others I'm not so sure.

And prizecars that are actually useful and desirable

:lol: Really? I remember tons of cars (prizes or non-prizes) that were completely useless in GT4. Perfect example: the Chrysler Prowler. Last night I went and actually raced this car in GT5. It didn't give me that lame message "this is a special car which cannot be raced" like GT4 would have , GT5 just let me race it. :)

I've heard many people say this, and since GT5 is newer and took 6 years to complete it's not surprising.... But I've never actually noticed much of difference in the physics. Where are the biggest improvements exactly?



Okay, oversteer. Where's the oversteer in GT4? Where's the drifting? GT4 has tons of understeer, which is respectable because this sets it apart from NFS and other games, but the majority of cars in GT4 just do that annoying "snap back" thing in GT4 if you try to drift them. :mad: If you're not trying to drift, if you're just trying to use oversteer in a more civil fashion (lift-off, throttle steer, etc) GT4 usually barely lets you do so. Depends on the car, of course, but you get my point. Muscle cars, sports cars, it doesn't matter. You get sideways, apply some gas, countersteer, now the entire car is in a spin. GT4's physics are horrible in this regard. GT5, on the other hand, feels like a combination of GT2, GT3, and new technology. And, if you don't want to play drift God in GT5, the game still lets you find ways to take lines more which are more civil.

I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong, GT4 is still great in lots of ways, and I have fond memories of lots of it, but overall whenever I go back, there's usually this "dead" feeling. I can't wait to find an excuse to fire up GT5 again. :dopey: I feel a little bit like I'm betraying you guys for admitting that, but it's the truth.
 
i actually prefer GT3 to GT4....from what i remember trying to drift or do donuts in gt4 was a bit rubbish and i do remember spending god knows how many hours, with different cars from each type, Japanese, muscle, euro tuning them and playing with the setting via trial and error making tiny adjustments to get correct, but i don't think i was happy with any of them in the end up, it was a much easier thing to do in GT3 and the same in GT5
 
The only mechanic I actually liked about GT5 was the interaction with people I had when trading was hassle-free. And come to think of it,trading was not even game related.

👍 Indeed... I don't care much for online gaming, but the trading for me made the game exciting. I could really look forward to getting a great new car each day and racing the **** out of it. It gave me something interesting to do and kept the sense of momentum and progress going - and let me engage with other enthusiasts in a way that other online games typically don't: asynchronously.

Ofcourse PD in their infinite wisdom took that away from us because the vocal orthodox hardcore thought grinding was the only right way to play GT.

I think I'll dust off my ps2 and get down to some GT4 or TT.

I highly recommend it. I haven't been able to wipe the grin off my face since I took the CSL and drifted my way down the hairpins of Amalfi. Absolute driving bliss.

It seems all the really inspired tracks have disappeared from GT5 (Amalfi, Citta di Aria, Paris, Hong Kong, Apricot Hill, Tahiti Maze, El Capitan). I see a trend towards blandness and soullessness in GT - so I will treasure my PS2 and my copies of GT3, GT4 and GT Concept.
 
Atleast you could sell every prizecar in the game for cash! That was fun!:dopey:

Because the vocal orthodox hardcore thought grinding was the only right way to play GT.

I haven't been able to wipe the grin off my face since I took the CSL and drifted my way down the hairpins of Amalfi. Absolute driving bliss.

It seems all the really inspired tracks have disappeared from GT5.

I see a trend towards blandness and soullessness in GT - so I will treasure my PS2 and my copies of GT3, GT4 and GT Concept.

Here's to having fun :cheers:

👍 and /THREAD.
 
Yeah, GT4 is awesome, but GT5 has way better physics (let's forget about stupid modern tech arguments like graphics and crap).

GT4 was a much better game in general, indeed.

In the end, I'd rather stick to Tourist Trophy, that one, dude, is THE BEST thing PD has ever made.
Tourist Trophy didn't even deserve to be called a game, it was that bad. I don't think there has ever been a worse two wheeled experience, on any system. :ill:

As for GT5, I've just bought GT4 because GT5 has become so tiresome. If I am going to drive PS2 quality cars, then I might as well drive them in the game they came from... especially as GT4 sounds a superior "game", in the sense of it being a better package of events, with better B-Spec etc... Knowing my luck, it won't work on my 60GB PS3 though, but for £1.50 + £2 postage... who cares?
 
Tourist Trophy didn't even deserve to be called a game, it was that bad. I don't think there has ever been a worse two wheeled experience, on any system. :ill:

I must respectfully disagree with you. I have played the following games.

MotoGP07, 08, SBK08 and currently have the SBKX. The graphics have held up very well and the replay features are second to none. Moto07/08 and the SBK's have none to speak of. The tracks selection, while a repeat of the GT4 game compare in size and variety to the other games. I would have liked to see the reverse tracks but maybe PD was testing the waters and didn't want to go to the expense. A move that seems to be correct because a TT2 is nowhere to be seen.

And the windscreen view is much better than the current crop. Less jerky movements. Maybe not a sim type racer but very very very good for 2006.

The career system? might be different to what most GT fans are used to. But the real key to a game is the friends you play it with. I was lucky to have some guys to encourage and get trashed by. GT4 had that same luck as did the other GT versions.

Take a look at the video in my sig by RacerPaul. If that doesn't get your blood going then it's a shame. I learned a lot by him and still enjoy the game now.

PS. SBKX's online feature are initially very disappointing. You need another person to run a Time Trial. :ouch:
 
I played GT3 the other day at my friends house expecting cars to handle like crap like I remember. Damn they had good physics back then, its almost as good as GT5 now! I must have just sucked back then.

Just bought GT4 too :D
 
I played GT3 the other day at my friends house expecting cars to handle like crap like I remember. Damn they had good physics back then, its almost as good as GT5 now! I must have just sucked back then.

Just bought GT4 too :D

I agree.

My littel brother is borrowing my ps3, so i was forced to take out my ps2 and the old GT games.

But I could not get used to the transition from G27 to the old DS2. So I was forced to return to the GT3, to be used too the DS2.

But since GT3 is such a "small" Game, it was boring. So I quickly went back to GT4. So I'm sitting and playing GT4 right now.

But I also have a PSX, so eventually I'll take the GT2. And That is the best GT game, in my opinion.

The old one is still the best. :gtpflag:
 
I wouldnt even play the PS1 games as I didnt even have a PS1 and the graphics are just way too bad for me lmao.

I just got my GT4 today though, transferred my licenses over from gt3, bought a 1990 2.5 Supra Twin Turbo, did the Rally D'Umbria race, won a cadillac cien, suped it up to 1024 HP N/A, did Rally D'Capri for a Rally Car that you can sell for 265k each time.

300k every 10 minutes, then bought a Speed 12 (my baby) tuned it to 1136 hp and fully suped it up.

****ing loving it, just hit 310 MPH on the test course in the speed 12 >:-D

also bought a CTR2 with 977 HP, a SL65 AMG for the Silver Bullet Merc race with 999 HP

:D
 
I wouldnt even play the PS1 games as I didnt even have a PS1 and the graphics are just way too bad for me lmao.

I just got my GT4 today though, transferred my licenses over from gt3, bought a 1990 2.5 Supra Twin Turbo, did the Rally D'Umbria race, won a cadillac cien, suped it up to 1024 HP N/A, did Rally D'Capri for a Rally Car that you can sell for 265k each time.
300k every 10 minutes, then bought a Speed 12 (my baby) tuned it to 1136 hp and fully suped it up.
****ing loving it, just hit 310 MPH on the test course in the speed 12 >:-D
also bought a CTR2 with 977 HP, a SL65 AMG for the Silver Bullet Merc race with 999 HP

:D

Gaming is not about graphics, its about gameplay! There are a handful of PS1 games I will occasionally play on my PS2, based on fun and gameplay (GT1 & GT2, Nectaris: Military madness, FFVII, Resident Evil 3 : Nemesis, various EA NHL & NCAA & NFL games, and Activation classics compilation), none of those have spectacular graphics yet that doesn't make them any less fun.

So you have a TVR Speed 12 1,136HP, a Cad. Cien 1,024HP, SL65 AMG 999HP, and a Ruf Ctr2 977HP, can you properly handle that much power? Or do you just rely on the pure power to win races?

Now I can understand playing with the high powered cars for time trials, power benchmarks (Top speed and such), and even for building a nice little cash reserve, by repetitively winning races with high CR Prize cars, but I hope your not zipping through the Beginner and Professional levels in any of the 4 cars you listed. If you are, you will hit the wall in Extreme and Endurance races by not having the proper racing techniques/skills required to win those races, as sometimes pure power doesn't outweigh proper racing lines, and sound cornering techniques.

Check out the comments again by Parnelli Bone in the following thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=174322

He makes a lot of good points, that seem to apply to you as well. Don't cheat yourself by finding the easiest route through the game, have the most fun by making every race a nail-biter, that way you will develop better racing abilities, than just overpowering your way through the game (which only goes so far).
 
I wouldnt even play the PS1 games as I didnt even have a PS1 and the graphics are just way too bad for me lmao.

:D

Do not underestimate the GT2. It was the game that showed me the GT world. Lots of tracks and races. And a very large car park(ca 600-700 cars).
One could even sort your garage. Press the START button while highlighting a car and the car was sent to the top of your garage. Take a littel time to sort a large garage, but it will be easy to find your cars in the garage.:P

In GT4 it is easy to get lots of money. Go to the European races, and run the German Touring Car Championship (It is the fourth event from the top). And you will win 75,000 for the cup 15,000 for the races, and the prize car is MERCEDES-BENZ AMG CLK-GTR Race Car '98. That you can sell and get 750,000 Cr.:D


But you will need a DTM car.💡

I think you can win with Opel Calibra Turing Car whit all tunes and a sett of god tires.
If you run the B-spec mode, the first race be a little difficult to win, but the others are easier.
I used the MERCEDES-BENZ CLK Touring Car (D2 DTM) '00 and it is a prize car in the Manufactures race events: Mercedes Legend of Silver Arrow.
And whit the CLK Touring Car fully tunen Bob can easy win all races. And Bob do not get tired in GT4:), like he will in GT5(https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=194912)


And remember that in GT4, you can fast forward when you drive in B-spec mode. Then the take cup just take about 20 minutes.:cool:
In B-Spec mode press R1 to goto the race monitor. Hold L1 and press the right button to increase the time to 2x or 3x normal.


I have a website with lots of good tips and hints. Will post a link to it when I get home to my PC.
And here's the website: http://faqs.ign.com/objects/489/489327.html
 
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Exactly, gaming is not about graphics, its about gameplay. I still think Madden NFL 94 -for the sega genesis- is the best football game ever. The older games, like GT1, GT2, and to an extent GT3, are better than todays racing games because the gameplay is great. Another example is with NHL video games, EA Sports games have the better graphics, but 2kSports games have the best gameplay, which one do you think is better? The 2kSports games of course. And in regards to GT4, take your time playing and don't use the high power cars to win, you won't get any better at the game.
 
Gaming is not about graphics, its about gameplay! There are a handful of PS1 games I will occasionally play on my PS2, based on fun and gameplay (GT1 & GT2, Nectaris: Military madness, FFVII, Resident Evil 3 : Nemesis, various EA NHL & NCAA & NFL games, and Activation classics compilation), none of those have spectacular graphics yet that doesn't make them any less fun.

So you have a TVR Speed 12 1,136HP, a Cad. Cien 1,024HP, SL65 AMG 999HP, and a Ruf Ctr2 977HP, can you properly handle that much power? Or do you just rely on the pure power to win races?

Now I can understand playing with the high powered cars for time trials, power benchmarks (Top speed and such), and even for building a nice little cash reserve, by repetitively winning races with high CR Prize cars, but I hope your not zipping through the Beginner and Professional levels in any of the 4 cars you listed. If you are, you will hit the wall in Extreme and Endurance races by not having the proper racing techniques/skills required to win those races, as sometimes pure power doesn't outweigh proper racing lines, and sound cornering techniques.

Check out the comments again by Parnelli Bone in the following thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=174322

He makes a lot of good points, that seem to apply to you as well. Don't cheat yourself by finding the easiest route through the game, have the most fun by making every race a nail-biter, that way you will develop better racing abilities, than just overpowering your way through the game (which only goes so far).

Yeah that makes the game good but Ive never even played it before so wouldnt be used to it.

And yes I have those 4 cars, yes I havent really done anything else in the game but to grind for cash so far but I used a normal car (stock 1990 supra) to win the cien and then the rally d capri for some cash. Ill have no problems with any of the extreme or endurance races either so Im not worried about it.

Do not underestimate the GT2. It was the game that showed me the GT world. Lots of tracks and races. And a very large car park(ca 600-700 cars).
One could even sort your garage. Press the START button while highlighting a car and the car was sent to the top of your garage. Take a littel time to sort a large garage, but it will be easy to find your cars in the garage.:P

In GT4 it is easy to get lots of money. Go to the European races, and run the German Touring Car Championship (It is the fourth event from the top). And you will win 75,000 for the cup 15,000 for the races, and the prize car is MERCEDES-BENZ AMG CLK-GTR Race Car '98. That you can sell and get 750,000 Cr.:D


But you will need a DTM car.💡

I think you can win with Opel Calibra Turing Car whit all tunes and a sett of god tires.
If you run the B-spec mode, the first race be a little difficult to win, but the others are easier.
I used the MERCEDES-BENZ CLK Touring Car (D2 DTM) '00 and it is a prize car in the Manufactures race events: Mercedes Legend of Silver Arrow.
And whit the CLK Touring Car fully tunen Bob can easy win all races. And Bob do not get tired in GT4:), like he will in GT5(https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=194912)


And remember that in GT4, you can fast forward when you drive in B-spec mode. Then the take cup just take about 20 minutes.:cool:
In B-Spec mode press R1 to goto the race monitor. Hold L1 and press the right button to increase the time to 2x or 3x normal.


I have a website with lots of good tips and hints. Will post a link to it when I get home to my PC.
And here's the website: http://faqs.ign.com/objects/489/489327.html

This is exactly what I did. Bought the 1990 Supra, won the Cien, won the Toyota RSC Rally Raid car a few times, sold it, bought the Audi A4 touring car (as it has the highest HP) and I just leave it on B spec on DTM for 15 minutes and I make about 900k Every time. :D

Sitting at a bit over 2 Million right now, gonna wait to buy the Black R92CP from the UCD
 
I never played GT4, just a tiny bit of GT3, but yesterday I bought a copy and a component for my PS2. (BTW I have to say component = win. Can actually read the text easily now.) I've only played a little so far, but oh man how I missed the set up of these games...

Also guys, the G27 and I think the G25 both work with the PS2. Just plug them into the USB port, works fine. Really glad you can tbh, I remember how much time I spent on some of the licenses on GT2/3, and I think with the added control it'll be much better.
 
...The experience and sense of freedom, and the wealth of things to do makes up for everything and more.

This is what a driving game is all about!

Everyone can debate graphics, physics, prize cars, track lists, etc until blue in the face. But GT4 showed me EXACTLY what I wanted in a driving game. It was pretty dang good in ALL aspects and allowed me to play the game over and over for YEARS. I have literally played that game longer than my daughter has been alive. And it is because those who want to play with car settings can. Those who want to collect cars can. Those who want to play for days in Photomode can.

I have played GT4 in power-gamer mode and have done the Mr Scrooge path and have even worked out how to progress through the entire game starting at the lowest HP vehicle possible and working my way up to the top. For me, that is what this is all about...the freedom to creatively explore the game for such a long time and still enjoy it! The fact that we are debating the strengths of a video game that is over six years old is a testament to how good it is!

Long live GT4! 👍
 
I'll agree with certain parts of the OP's statements, others I'm not so sure.


I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong, GT4 is still great in lots of ways, and I have fond memories of lots of it, but overall whenever I go back, there's usually this "dead" feeling. I can't wait to find an excuse to fire up GT5 again. :dopey: I feel a little bit like I'm betraying you guys for admitting that, but it's the truth.


Hell, Parnelli has crossed to the Dark Side.:scared:

There are things in 5 that I like, but, overall, I'm back to 4. Somehow it just feels right.

Still got lovely Mission 34 to do, but, to ride with the best, you gotta do it.
 
Well, if so many people wants to go back to gt4, obvioulsly they did something wrong with gt5. As i said before, gt4 with upgrades physics, graphics, and online play would be better then gt5. The majority of the stuff in gt5 are just ported from gt4 and previous games, the amount of premium stuff in gt5 is so little, that it doesnt justify as a "new" game.
 
I have to agree. I love my GT4. It is pure gold. If GT5 had the content that is in GT4 it couldn't be beat by anything out there.
 
I have to agree. I love my GT4. It is pure gold. If GT5 had the content that is in GT4 it couldn't be beat by anything out there.

If GT4 had the gameplay that GT3 did, I would play it. It doesn't, so its gathering dust on my shelf.
 
Hell, Parnelli has crossed to the Dark Side.:scared:

There are things in 5 that I like, but, overall, I'm back to 4. Somehow it just feels right.

Still got lovely Mission 34 to do, but, to ride with the best, you gotta do it.

At least you've only the the PAL version to deal with. From what I understand, PAL is easier than NTSC by something like 10 seconds.
 
I played gt1-3 and thought they were great, I skipped gt4 and went straight to gt5p and gt5. I got bored of gt5 and bought gt4. And what I've come back with so far is gt5 is a watered down version of gt4, when it comes to tuning and features the game has. For the life of me I can't understand why they did away with so many features and tracks that make gt4 more convenient and more enjoyable. Just the ability to be able to save your progress during a championship series, or the ability to clear your races and be rewarded the same prizes. The rewards are great, and cash prizes are reasonable.
They're obviously things that are better in gt5, as mentioned before the driving physics are obviously better and graphics. But at least with the updates that come every now and then there is a chance for gt5 to improve greatly.
Just throwing my 2 cents in there, wonder if anybody else got that same feeling...
 
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