Getting nerfed in A and S class races, thought it'd be different?

[Gordy749]

Hi all. So I've managed to drag myself up to an S standard safety rating, and in so doing have definitely become a more careful driver.

That said, I had a couple races today that led me to question whether A and S class drivers really are so like minded. I raced three general races today, all were the weekly Gr3 around Nurburgring Grad Prix track.

In one race there was four of us going into turn one, one person braked early and caused a multiple crash. After that, one of the drivers started trying to drive me off the track, hitting me several times before he finally careened into me at the chicane and got a 3 second penalty (I was off the track so the penalty didn't matter).

In another race I was following a 3-way fight before a driver came up behind me, hit me three times after the big hairpin bend before finally running me off the track. It was really frustrating because I'd started 5th and it took so long for the car to reset I ended up last.

Is this the sort of thing I should expect in these sorts of races? Should I just forget about trying to play nice and instead try to force people off the track too? Answers on a postcard please.

 

[Woodybobs]

Sometimes others make mistakes. Sometimes they have sporadic moments of rage. Some simply don't care about others on the track, and it's win at all costs for them. Often it's hard to figure out who's who.

My advice is to be the driver you want to be and let the others figure themselves out. Don't let rage out on track or you will reinforce it as an appropriate way to react, which will lead to it building inside you more regularly. Rage can be controlled to the point where it doesn't interfere with your race except in rare circumstances. Retain your focus and concentration and you'll get better results.

I've often felt I was the victim of inappropriate behaviour on track only to check the replay and find out it was simply a mistake or an accident. Once, during a dispute with another driver, I posted a clip on here and my own mistakes were highlighted by the community. I couldn't believe it, but, faced with the evidence, I had to accept it. The point is, I'm glad I didn't react to any of those incidents.

 

[greor84]

SR S does not neccessarily mean clean driving. After checking your driver stats I can see that your SR rating is still in the lower 80s https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=4143937.
Only when you reach an SR rating of 93 to 99 you will see much cleaner racing. Below 90 SR IMO is very much like A SR. So just be patient with your SR rating and keep raising it.
After some intense races when my SR dropped to below 90 I am allways amased what difference that makes. I try to keep the SR at 99.

 

[monkeywall]

Hi all. So I've managed to drag myself up to an S standard safety rating, and in so doing have definitely become a more careful driver.

That said, I had a couple races today that led me to question whether A and S class drivers really are so like minded. I raced three general races today, all were the weekly Gr3 around Nurburgring Grad Prix track.

In one race there was four of us going into turn one, one person braked early and caused a multiple crash. After that, one of the drivers started trying to drive me off the track, hitting me several times before he finally careened into me at the chicane and got a 3 second penalty (I was off the track so the penalty didn't matter).

In another race I was following a 3-way fight before a driver came up behind me, hit me three times after the big hairpin bend before finally running me off the track. It was really frustrating because I'd started 5th and it took so long for the car to reset I ended up last.

Is this the sort of thing I should expect in these sorts of races? Should I just forget about trying to play nice and instead try to force people off the track too? Answers on a postcard please.

I've been hovering around DR A SR S since last year. SR S rank doesn't really mean clean drivers. You'll get clean and dirty drivers regardless of SR rank. There'll always be some guy who will do anything to win or think they're faster than you trying to push past. My best races have been when my SR has dropped to A. What you do is up to you either don't give a dam about SR and give as good as you get or try to be clean and just put up with the dirty drivers. Having fun is the main thing. I gave up on sports mode it wasn't fun anymore for me because of the dirty drivers. I've been waiting for the ranking system to change in a way that will hopefully get rid of the dirty drivers from SR S but this doesn't seem to be happening.

 

[MasterGT]

I gave up on sports mode it wasn't fun anymore for me because of the dirty drivers. I've been waiting for the ranking system to change in a way that will hopefully get rid of the dirty drivers from SR S but this doesn't seem to be happening.

I bet a large portion of Sport drivers are still waiting for sanity to reign supreme again.

 

[Gordy749]

SR S does not neccessarily mean clean driving. After checking your driver stats I can see that your SR rating is still in the lower 80s https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=4143937.
Only when you reach an SR rating of 93 to 99 you will see much cleaner racing. Below 90 SR IMO is very much like A SR. So just be patient with your SR rating and keep raising it.
After some intense races when my SR dropped to below 90 I am allways amased what difference that makes. I try to keep the SR at 99.

Ah, that’s interesting, I didn’t know there were gradients even within S and A ratings. Thanks for that, will keep safe driving and follow your advice.

I bet a large portion of Sport drivers are still waiting for sanity to reign supreme again.

I’m starting to think that I made a good choice joining GT Planet in the first place. I’ll keep at it because it helps my driving, especially racing with other people around. But I’ll focus on clean driving... I drive for fun rather than a pointless win.

SR S does not neccessarily mean clean driving. After checking your driver stats I can see that your SR rating is still in the lower 80s https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=4143937.
Only when you reach an SR rating of 93 to 99 you will see much cleaner racing. Below 90 SR IMO is very much like A SR. So just be patient with your SR rating and keep raising it.
After some intense races when my SR dropped to below 90 I am allways amased what difference that makes. I try to keep the SR at 99.

OMG THE GOVERMENT IS WATCHING!!! Lol, I didn’t know you could pull that up. That’s actually really cool.

Yes, it’s true I still make mistakes. I’ve had a wheel a couple of weeks but am not yet consistent enough to be confident I can do a 4 lap race without spinning off the track. My big problem is forgetting the aerodynamic differences when behind cars and so adjusting corner speed and braking points. I’ll keep up the safe driving and hopefully will get there.

Thanks for the input and advice!

 

[greor84]

I would suggest to concentrate on race C, the race is longer and everybody is more relaxed, also if you make a slight mistake but finish the race your SR does not drop, In race C you can gain and maintain your SR much better than in A or B. Race A is usually very rough (in my experience) and the chances for SR drop are very high. I usually just do race C.
The best part comes when you start FIA races. When you have a 99 SR you are ussally grouped with drivers that have your own DR rating and the driving is usually much more respectfull than even in race C.
Another advice, even after getting bumped try to finish the race and stay clean, this minimizes the effect unintentional collisions and in most cases you will still see a blue S at the end of the race. Quitting races prematurely will lower your SR additionally.
If I have the choice of a good result and DR increase at the cost of loosing SR I prefer to keep my SR and loose a couple of DR points. With this philosophy I had a lot of fun during the last FIA championship and reached a level I had never imagined before and I enjoyed a lot of close and clean racing.

 

[llNovall]

@Gordy749
Check out:
snailracing.org

Its a spec league with multiple divisions grouped by skill level. Many drivers who have joined this league have found much better success and consistency in Sport online racing due to establishing better personal race discipline and habits. Also, as your skill and DR rating increase, at least to a B rating with a high Sr. S rating, the Sport races get much better, especially in the top half of a matched grid. Check us out, and keep at it.

 

[Groundfish]

Well,
I can only offer that I personally treat it as if I were driving the car.
I race for sr first at all times. I’ve only been below 90 once because I let myself mentally lose it and raced a few dirty races.
The world I saw at sr b was something I never wish to see again. Royal pain to do race after race just trying to avoid and get back to 99 sr.
Before a race I always practice enough so that I am comfortable with the race.
At sr99 I have no issues and I’d like to stay that way. I always think about respecting my fellow sr s drivers.
The other reason I want to stay sr s is I don’t play like 3 hours straight of online. I like to pick up the game when I am able and know I won’t have to dodge the pack every race trying to rank up in sr.
I will defend a position but it really is situational. If a faster guy is all over me I will safely yield when possible.
I’ve had a great experience in this game, but I was sr s after my first long n100 race c at Tsukuba.
I have seen some weird stuff from time to time after 200 odd races, but nothing like many describe.
It’s about good clean fun, not win at all costs. I see replays of guys battling like it’s the final lap with a million dollars on the line during lap 2.
My safety plan? Be as fast as possible while being consistent. Qualify every time. IMO if you can’t do consistent clean laps slow down until you can. Know your track. You don’t need to be wheel to wheel within 2 feet of the car in front of you. If you are faster than them you will get your chance. After time you learn where passing is safe and where to just follow.
Safety first!
Eventually you will find your level within the game.
Good luck

 

[Gordy749]

@Gordy749
Check out:
snailracing.org

Its a spec league with multiple divisions grouped by skill level. Many drivers who have joined this league have found much better success and consistency in Sport online racing due to establishing better personal race discipline and habits. Also, as your skill and DR rating increase, at least to a B rating with a high Sr. S rating, the Sport races get much better, especially in the top half of a matched grid. Check us out, and keep at it.

Hey that looks like a ton of fun. I'll definitely check that out!

 

[Gordy749]

Well,
I can only offer that I personally treat it as if I were driving the car.
I race for sr first at all times. I’ve only been below 90 once because I let myself mentally lose it and raced a few dirty races.
The world I saw at sr b was something I never wish to see again. Royal pain to do race after race just trying to avoid and get back to 99 sr.
Before a race I always practice enough so that I am comfortable with the race.
At sr99 I have no issues and I’d like to stay that way. I always think about respecting my fellow sr s drivers.
The other reason I want to stay sr s is I don’t play like 3 hours straight of online. I like to pick up the game when I am able and know I won’t have to dodge the pack every race trying to rank up in sr.
I will defend a position but it really is situational. If a faster guy is all over me I will safely yield when possible.
I’ve had a great experience in this game, but I was sr s after my first long n100 race c at Tsukuba.
I have seen some weird stuff from time to time after 200 odd races, but nothing like many describe.
It’s about good clean fun, not win at all costs. I see replays of guys battling like it’s the final lap with a million dollars on the line during lap 2.
My safety plan? Be as fast as possible while being consistent. Qualify every time. IMO if you can’t do consistent clean laps slow down until you can. Know your track. You don’t need to be wheel to wheel within 2 feet of the car in front of you. If you are faster than them you will get your chance. After time you learn where passing is safe and where to just follow.
Safety first!
Eventually you will find your level within the game.
Good luck

I hate to say that you have a point but you do. I can be fast but consistency is my problem right now. I'm getting the hang of saving slides with the wheel but have a tendency to make just one howler in a race.

The other thing is getting used to the different effects when following a car. Right now I think I'm pushing the front wheels too hard in practice so behind a car they can't grip going around corners...

 

[rono_thomas]

I hate to say that you have a point but you do. I can be fast but consistency is my problem right now. I'm getting the hang of saving slides with the wheel but have a tendency to make just one howler in a race.

The other thing is getting used to the different effects when following a car. Right now I think I'm pushing the front wheels too hard in practice so behind a car they can't grip going around corners...

Sounds like you are the beginning of your Gran Turismo journey. I rarely come across a deliberately dirty drivers, but what you do see a lot of is players with bad race craft. They can make bad decisions which lead to incidents so its always on you to make the better decisions. If you have better race craft your SR will look after itself.

So my advice would be to learn what to do when in theory, and then learn it in practice, but all of this will have to happen after you’ve learned good car control.

1. Good car control.
2. Good race craft choices.
3. SR will look after itself.

 

[Gordy749]

Sounds like you are the beginning of your Gran Turismo journey. I rarely come across a deliberately dirty drivers, but what you do see a lot of is players with bad race craft. They can make bad decisions which lead to incidents so its always on you to make the better decisions. If you have better race craft your SR will look after itself.

So my advice would be to learn what to do when in theory, and then learn it in practice, but all of this will have to happen after you’ve learned good car control.

1. Good car control.
2. Good race craft choices.
3. SR will look after itself.

That’s great advice, thanks for the time. Yes, I’m very much a newbie, but when I was young and stupid I raced motorbikes, so have a good understanding of track race theory.

I’ve had GTS for a while but only started online racing recently. It’s a lot of fun but I totally agree your points would make it more fun and me a better racer people would enjoy racing with.

More practice awaits!

 

[Xlxy90]

I hate to say that you have a point but you do. I can be fast but consistency is my problem right now. I'm getting the hang of saving slides with the wheel but have a tendency to make just one howler in a race.

The other thing is getting used to the different effects when following a car. Right now I think I'm pushing the front wheels too hard in practice so behind a car they can't grip going around corners...

A qualifying mindset should be different to a racing mindset.

In quali you can be as hard as you need to be over kerbs, as late on the brakes as you dare to be and not have much of a worry.

When in a race situation, you should be braking just that little bit earlier, only attacking the kerbs you know you can bounce safely over, and when wheel to wheel, be slower in to a corner to be faster out to capitalize on a straight.