Good car to tune for a beginner?

[Dagger311]

Hey guys, I was looking to get into tuning, and I've been trying hard to get one right, but I screw it up every time.

What class is easiest to tune? Street, Race, Supercar?

What type of tune? Circuit, oval, drag, drift?

Thanis in advance.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

400pp range on comfort soft. Front engine, rear drive layout.

 

[Dagger311]

400pp range on comfort soft. Front engine, rear drive layout.

Alright. Is the 400 range for when I buy it, or after tuning?

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

Alright. Is the 400 range for when I buy it, or after tuning?

After tuning. Should only take a couple of bolt ons. Drive it stock at first and ever time you add a part or adjust it take it for a spin and pay attention to its behavior. Then adjust according to your driving style.

 

[Dagger311]

After tuning. Should only take a couple of bolt ons. Drive it stock at first and ever time you add a part or adjust it take it for a spin and pay attention to its behavior. Then adjust according to your driving style.

Chose the f-150. It's good, but there's bad understeer in the low gears. It also slides if you give it gas while turning. Any tips?

 

[FussyFez]

In my humble opinion, this tells you everything you need to know.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/

It's the fourth post onwards that you need to read for tuning.

Also.. Ditch the truck.. Buy an Mx5 👍

 

[Dagger311]

In my humble opinion, this tells you everything you need to know.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/

It's the fourth post onwards that you need to read for tuning.

Also.. Ditch the truck.. Buy an Mx5 👍

No way! I'm 'Murican, remember? .

Anyway, got it how I want it, except there's bad understeer if you turn while braking.

 

[FussyFez]

Couldn't tell you what I might do without knowing your current settings.

Play with the brake bias.

Do you use ABS?

Higher rear brake bias will encourage the arse round. Also lower deccel setting on LSD. Lower front compression on dampers with lower rear extension will help transfer weight to the front... But you might have too much weight on the front, in which case the reverse would be needed with the dampers.

Honestly check out motor city hami's tuning guide, it will help a lot.

Regarding the nationality. Buy a miata :tup:

 

[Dagger311]

Couldn't tell you what I might do without knowing your current settings.

Play with the brake bias.

Do you use ABS?

Higher rear brake bias will encourage the arse round. Also lower deccel setting on LSD. Lower front compression on dampers with lower rear extension will help transfer weight to the front... But you might have too much weight on the front, in which case the reverse would be needed with the dampers.

Honestly check out motor city hami's tubing guide, it will help a lot.

Regarding the nationality. Buy a miata :tup:

Got it. Deacceleration lsd was way to high. Took it from 20 to 12 and it works fine.

Going to try sports soft tires, because it sucks at standing start. Has way too much wheelspin on startup. Tried everything I know to fix it.

 

[FussyFez]

Lower rear compression and springs should help with launch. Maybe some rear ballast, what's the weight distribution like?

Also throttle control lol. Anything with enough power will spin the tyres on a full launch, it's about getting just enough wheel spin.

On another forum I use, someone once mentioned that a tyre is actually providing more traction and accelerative force when slipping only ever so slightly. I think it was somthing like 10% slip was the optimum. Can't remember the specifics, but the point is, a little wheel spin is not bad. Too much is though.

Good luck 👍

 

[Dagger311]

Lower rear compression and springs should help with launch. Maybe some rear ballast, what's the weight distribution like?

Also throttle control lol. Anything with enough power will spin the tyres on a full launch, it's about getting just enough wheel spin.

On another forum I use, someone once mentioned that a tyre is actually providing more traction and accelerative force when slipping only ever so slightly. I think it was somthing like 10% slip was the optimum. Can't remember the specifics, but the point is, a little wheel spin is not bad. Too much is though.

Good luck 👍

I fixed it a lot just by upgrading tires. I have everything ready, going to put the tune up in a few minutes. Didn't want to mess with dampers anymore, took the longest part of the tune to get them good. Throttle control on launch is key here.

 

[DolHaus]

Problem 1: Its a truck
Problem 2: Its a truck
lol
I admire your ambition, but if you want to learn you should start off with something simple, I'd recommend an mx5/miata/eunos roadster. They react really well to adjustments and help to show you what effects your changes are having.
The problem with the F150 is that it is tall, heavy, soft and has no weight over the drive wheels. This manifests itself as massive weight transfer problems, it wobbles around with such viggor that its impossible to work with. In real life you could build a decent space frame chassis to cope with the forces and help solve some of the issues, but the options in GT are too limited for specialised vehicles like these. You could probably make it kinda fast in a straight line, but its always going to want to fall over in the corners due to the sheer forces involved. You can only cheat gravity, not beat it!

 

[ace004]

Start with the miata. Start slow and build up from there. Take a neutral car and adjust one setting at a time and try to feel what is changing. And use hami's tuning guide.

 

[Dagger311]

Thanks guys, but I really wanted to do a truck. My cousin has a similar one in real life, and I wanted to make it race-worthy. I got it pretty good, but it still suffers from the entire weight being in the front.

 

[Dagger311]

Tune is up, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daggerland-tuning-garage.301451/

 

[DolHaus]

Thanks guys, but I really wanted to do a truck. My cousin has a similar one in real life, and I wanted to make it race-worthy. I got it pretty good, but it still suffers from the entire weight being in the front.

Go with your heart by all means, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. All I'm saying is that you will learn a lot better and easier if you start with the basics. You don't learn much about climbing mountains by jumping in the ocean!

 

[Dagger311]

Go with your heart by all means, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. All I'm saying is that you will learn a lot better and easier if you start with the basics. You don't learn much about climbing mountains by jumping in the ocean!

Oh, I'll be doing something simpler next, I just really wanted a good truck.

My goal is to get my skill up enough to do corvettes and Camaros justice. Really want a tune custom to the way I drive with one of these.

 

[DolHaus]

If you want to stay with American cars, try a modern Camaro/Corvette. Its only really in the past couple of years that certain American cars have started to be built properly in terms of performance with decent chassis and suspension. Before that they were built cheaply with archaic ideas such as ladder frame chassis and coach spring suspension that just wastes all the power of those big, beautiful V8s

 

[Dagger311]

If you want to stay with American cars, try a modern Camaro/Corvette. Its only really in the past couple of years that certain American cars have started to be built properly in terms of performance with decent chassis and suspension. Before that they were built cheaply with archaic ideas such as ladder frame chassis and coach spring suspension that just wastes all the power of those big, beautiful V8s

I'll probably do them all, but with a ficus in American cars.

Edit: Focus, not ficus .

 

[DolHaus]

I'll probably do them all, but with a ficus in American cars.

Edit: Focus, not ficus .

There are a few gems in there, but a lot of it is like trying to teach a cow to dance lol There is a big period of americana that is just awful to drive, it might look cool or whatever, but they are mechanically flawed or only good at straight lines

 

[Dagger311]

There are a few gems in there, but a lot of it is like trying to teach a cow to dance lol There is a big period of americana that is just awful to drive, it might look cool or whatever, but they are mechanically flawed or only good at straight lines

Oh, I know. The American Muscle is a tough one to tune, and way out of my skill level currently.

 

[DolHaus]

Oh, I know. The American Muscle is a tough one to tune, and way out of my skill level currently.

You will get there i'm sure, I still struggle to tune them and i've been messing with settings since GT1 lol Just do yourself a favour and do the learning part on something simpler

 

[Dagger311]

You will get there i'm sure, I still struggle to tune them and i've been messing with settings since GT1 lol Just do yourself a favour and do the learning part on something simpler

Will do.

Anyway, I need testers, any ways to get the word out without making spam posts?

 

[DolHaus]

Will do.

Anyway, I need testers, any ways to get the word out without making spam posts?

Post it in the tuning directory, its no guarantee though you may not hear anything. I'll be happy to test when you post as long as I have the money to build the car

 

[Dagger311]

Post it in the tuning directory, its no guarantee though you may not hear anything. I'll be happy to test when you post as long as I have the money to build the car

Alright, thanks. Truck is up in the tuning forums, under my garage (garage of one car for now).

Trying to decide on a jdm to tune. Everyone says they are so much easier to do. Mx5, Miata, or Civic? What about the Ford Focus? It may be good.

 

[DolHaus]

Alright, thanks. Truck is up in the tuning forums, under my garage (garage of one car for now).

Trying to decide on a jdm to tune. Everyone says they are so much easier to do. Mx5, Miata, or Civic? What about the Ford Focus? It may be good.

Start off with the Mx5/Miata/Eunos (same car), it is front engined, rear wheel drive which is the easiest to tune. Front engine, front wheel drive is a whole different kettle of fish, you should save them for later because they require completely different methods for tuning.
The miata is a perfect starting place because it is already pretty balanced but can be turned into a real master class in handling with fairly novice tuning. It responds really positively to changes, you will almost always be able to feel the changes you've made in a noticeable fashion

 

[Dagger311]

Start off with the Mx5/Miata/Eunos (same car), it is front engined, rear wheel drive which is the easiest to tune. Front engine, front wheel drive is a whole different kettle of fish, you should save them for later because they require completely different methods for tuning.
The miata is a perfect starting place because it is already pretty balanced but can be turned into a real master class in handling with fairly novice tuning. It responds really positively to changes, you will almost always be able to feel the changes you've made in a noticeable fashion

Thanks man, miata it is. I never paid much attention to the drivetrains, just knew some of them by looking at the cars.

 

[DolHaus]

Thanks man, miata it is. I never paid much attention to the drivetrains, just knew some of them by looking at the cars.

they are one of the most important aspects of a car. General rule - Rear wheel drive means neutral/oversteer, 4wd means neutral/understeer, frontwheel drive means understeer.

 

[Dagger311]

they are one of the most important aspects of a car. General rule - Rear wheel drive means neutral/oversteer, 4wd means neutral/understeer, frontwheel drive means understeer.

But most muscle cars are rear wheel drive, why do they turn like bricks? And I know the pain of awd understeer, the R-34 Touring car suffers badly.

 

[DolHaus]

But most muscle cars are rear wheel drive, why do they turn like bricks? And I know the pain of awd understeer, the R-34 Touring car suffers badly.

I quite like the R34 Tc, that thing is really quick if driven right, you need to concentrate though as it can be a pig if pushed the wrong way.
Muscle cars have most of the weight over the front end of the car, this makes them not want to turn. Also the suspension is soft and this causes body roll which throws the mass of the car in the opposite direction to the turn. Basically, too big, too heavy, too wobbly and the centre of gravity is in the wrong place