GPX Multi-Class Red Bull Series Idea (HELP WANTED)Draft

[OriginalCheezIt]

This series would be a multi-class Fomula series using all 3 versions of the Red Bull X2014. All spoilers marked as "EXPERIMENTAL" are just that; ideas which may need work. I encourage you to give feedback on all of the ideas presented, but especially those.

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@EF12345678

The Cars:

Loosely based on F3, GP2, and F1 cars respectively, the Red Bulls used in this series will be detuned as follows:

Red Bull Junior (RBJ)
250hp, 550kg

Red Bull Standard (RBS)
500hp, 600kg

Red Bull Fan Car (RBFC) (If used)
750hp, 650kg

Tires: Sport Soft or less (may change depending on feedback/testing)

Anyone is welcome to join the RBJ class, but tryouts/prior racing experience will be required to join the RBS and RBFC classes.

The Teams:

There will be 4 teams of 3 drivers each; one driver for each class. Support crews (tuners, spotters, etc.) are unrestricted, but must be named as such in your team application. Along with the Driver's Championships awarded to the top finisher of each class, there will also be 1 Team Championship awarded at the end of the season.

Team colors:

• Dark Red
• White
• Yellow
• Blue

Due to team number and size, there are at least 4 additional spots in the room. These are reserved for part-time, independent drivers (IDs) who may not race enough to be able to commit to a team. They may drive in any class they wish (tryout/experience required for RBS and RBFC), and their car can be any color except for the 4 team colors. If there are still open spots in the room after any IDs join, they may be filled by team support crew members for spotting and coaching purposes.

Races:

Expect a 15-20 track season, with 3 10-minute heat races (2 15-min if RBFC is not used) races, one for each class, along with a 30-minute main event for all cars. Races will be held at a variety of real, original, and city courses. Tire/Fuel will likely be set to a fast setting, to exaggerate any effect aero, driving style, and tire compound may have on pit strategy. Drafting and slow car boost may or may not be set to a high setting. Usage of driving aids will likely be restricted, but not prohibited. Standing start with false start check will be in place. Penalties WILL be on.

Ranking:

Season rankings will be decided based on average finish, not a points system. The driver with the best average finish at the end of the season will win the championship in their class. All three drivers' average finishes will be averaged to determine their team's ranking in the Team Championship. Any DNS or DNF will be counted as a 16th place finish, regardless of class. This system places emphasis on participation, consistency, and teamwork.

Spoiler: EXPERIMENTAL

To count the heat races as part of the final ranking, but still make the main event more important, the previous "AVG FIN" will be replaced by two separate ones; one for heats, and the other for mains. These two will then be combined in a weighted average, with main events being worth 70% of the average, and the heats making up the other 30%.

Sample Rankings Table:

1st for RBFC, 5th for RBS, and 9th for RBJ are considered "class wins", as that is theoretically the best the car can do under normal circumstances. However, if a lower class car finishes ahead of a faster car, that overall position will still be counted in the rankings.

CREATOR'S NOTES:

Well, thanks for being honest! Not gonna stop me from giving it the ol' American try, though.
I am making this series as a way of allowing drivers of all skill levels to participate in a series while working with other drivers of a higher skill level. Teamwork is the main key in this series. I also wanted the feel of a big-time, multi-million dollar motorsport, hence the "Team Support Crew", power/weight rewards or penalties, and rather open tuning options. I hope this catches on, and remember, always have fun with your driving.

 

[Harsk100]

Nice series dude! 👍

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I didn't vote, but it is obvious that you have put a lot of time into this concept and it is very well presented. What tyres will you be using? The Red Bull Juniors are nice to drive on comfort tyres and can produce lap times similar to Formula Fords, but maybe those tyres would be too slippery for novices. My suggestion would be to keep the RBJ races short if you are aiming at beginners - maybe 15 minute races - perhaps 2 per meeting - the first with qualifying and the second on reverse results to get drivers used to overtaking.

Why not scrub the fan cars altogether as they are so unrealistic and have a team containing two types of driver RBJ and standard and have mini seasons (maybe 6 rounds long) with the top RBJ drivers stepping up to the Standard class and the bottom Standard drivers stepping down to the RBJ class.

I could see this being a lot of fun, but I think long races are a bit of a turn off - anything over 30 minutes can feel very long, especially if you are having a bad day, plus the risk of disconnections goes up.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

I didn't vote, but it is obvious that you have put a lot of time into this concept and it is very well presented. What tyres will you be using? The Red Bull Juniors are nice to drive on comfort tyres and can produce lap times similar to Formula Fords, but maybe those tyres would be too slippery for novices. My suggestion would be to keep the RBJ races short if you are aiming at beginners - maybe 15 minute races - perhaps 2 per meeting - the first with qualifying and the second on reverse results to get drivers used to overtaking.

Why not scrub the fan cars altogether as they are so unrealistic and have a team containing two types of driver RBJ and standard and have mini seasons (maybe 6 rounds long) with the top RBJ drivers stepping up to the Standard class and the bottom Standard drivers stepping down to the RBJ class.

I could see this being a lot of fun, but I think long races are a bit of a turn off - anything over 30 minutes can feel very long, especially if you are having a bad day, plus the risk of disconnections goes up.

It's funny that you say that, because I literally just came up with the idea this morning

I actually quite like your idea for a duel race style, as I agree that an hour long race isn't always the best. Also, the race format is like the multi-class endurance championships; all 3 classes would be on the track simultaneously. Maybe something like 3 10-minute heat races, one for each class, with a 30-minute main event for all 3 classes?

EDIT: Maybe you are right about the Fan Car, so what if I bumped the Standard up to the top tier and slotted the FGT in the middle?

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Hi Original Cheezit - I think I didn't fully appreciate that you would have all three classes on track at the same time. I think it would be easier to forget the fan cars and have teams of 2 drivers - one RBJ and one standard in each team. You could theoretically have 8 teams - it would be easy to have 8 colours.

Why not run the cars tuning prohibited, which makes your life much easier as a host. You can use the power limiter with tuning prohibited so you could limit the power of the RB Standard to a lower figure so it is not ridiculously faster than the RBJ - I can't remember how much the standard is. If possible limit the Standard to about 150-200bhp above the RBJ. Perhaps do race 1 on qualifying order (15 mins), race 2 on race result order (15 mins) and race 3 feature race on reverse result order (30 minutes). I think you could run the whole meeting in less than 90 minutes which should make it possible for more people to attend.

Perhaps choose sports medium as the tyre which should get rid of the unrealistic cornering on rails feeling. I think this could be a very good series. Teams of 2 will be much easier for people to put together as it will be easier to find and persuade one friend than 3 to join.

To make life easy as a host why not scrub all the co-ordinators, race stewards, spotters etc and use penalty high and damage light?

I would be happy to help with posters etc, but my wife and family already think I spend too much time on this game / hobby. I think this series could be very enjoyable for everyone taking part - but my advice is to make it as simple as possible.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Hi Original Cheezit - I think I didn't fully appreciate that you would have all three classes on track at the same time. I think it would be easier to forget the fan cars and have teams of 2 drivers - one RBJ and one standard in each team. You could theoretically have 8 teams - it would be easy to have 8 colours.

Why not run the cars tuning prohibited, which makes your life much easier as a host. You can use the power limiter with tuning prohibited so you could limit the power of the RB Standard to a lower figure so it is not ridiculously faster than the RBJ - I can't remember how much the standard is. If possible limit the Standard to about 150-200bhp above the RBJ. Perhaps do race 1 on qualifying order (15 mins), race 2 on race result order (15 mins) and race 3 feature race on reverse result order (30 minutes). I think you could run the whole meeting in less than 90 minutes which should make it possible for more people to attend.

Perhaps choose sports medium as the tyre which should get rid of the unrealistic cornering on rails feeling. I think this could be a very good series. Teams of 2 will be much easier for people to put together as it will be easier to find and persuade a one friend than 3 to join.

To make life easy as a host why not scrub all the co-ordinators, spotters etc and use penalty high and damage light?

I would be happy to help with posters etc, but my wife and family already think I spend too much time on this game / hobby. I think this series could be very enjoyable for everyone taking part - but my advice is to make it as simple as possible.

You bring up some very good points, as it would be quite difficult on the host to moderate all of that. And the main reason I restricted it to 4 teams is simply because those are the only 4 colors that all 3 X2014s have But If I'm going to scrap the Fan Car, then I may increase the number of teams.

EDIT: Just nerfed the RBS and RBFC some more, added tire restriction, added the heats, and changed the points system accordingly. Also removed the reward/penalty experiment.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

You bring up some very good points, as it would be quite difficult on the host to moderate all of that. And the main reason I restricted it to 4 teams is simply because those are the only 4 colors that all 3 X2014s have But If I'm going to scrap the Fan Car, then I may increase the number of teams.

EDIT: Just nerfed the RBS and RBFC some more, added tire restriction, added the heats, and changed the points system accordingly. Also removed the reward/penalty experiment.

I just checked my Red Bulls and they can't be painted or have a race number attached, which is a shame. They come in 7 different colours - I think you could use 6 of those as they are sufficiently similar in which case you could have 6 teams of 3. You are very unlikely to have all 18 drivers turn up. If you just used the Standard and the RBJ you could have 6 Standard drivers and 12 RBJ. If a Standard driver is absent one of the teams RBJ drivers steps up. To make the points fair perhaps just score the points from the Standard and first placed RBJ in each team.

My RBJ is 258bhp and my Standard is 839bhp. To reduce the differential run them tuning prohibited at 258bhp and 458bhp - only the standard would need to be limited. Leave the weight standard.

I think a long season is a turn off so a mini season of 6 weeks with a champion and a promotion and relegation of 3 drivers up and 3 down from RBJ to Standard etc then crown a "Legend" after 18 rounds.

Sport Softs sound good.

The points system that I use seems to work well on GT - I use the MotoGP points system as it gives a good points spread for top placings and rewards right down to 15th place:

25 = 1st
20
16 = 3rd
13
11 = 5th
10
9
8 = 8th
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
0 = 16

Added by edit: I tested the RBJ at 258bhp and the RB Standard at 428bhp on Sport Hard, standard settings at Trial Mountain and there was 20 seconds difference between the two cars - all aids off except ABS 1 and edge grip real.

Why not have 5 teams of 3 and in race 1 everyone uses the RBJ then in race 2 the highest finisher from each team drives the RB Standard. Maybe in race 3 the top 2 finishers from each team use the RB Standard.

In terms of the cars - nothing more than sport hard is needed. The RBJ is nice to drive - the RB Standard still feels faintly ridiculous!

 

[Harsk100]

In my future championships , the following points system will be used:
10 to 1st place
9 to 2nd place
8 to 3rd place
7 to 4th place
6 to 5th place
5 to 6th place
4 to 7th place
3 to 8th place
2 to 9th place
1 to 10th place or below: All drivers from 10th place until the last finisher will get 1 point.

Drivers which have not finished the race also scored points.
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I recommend you to use the Lotus 97T'85: This has an similiar shape to Indy Cars.... What do you think of my recommendation?

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

In my future championships , the following points system will be used:
10 to 1st place
9 to 2nd place
8 to 3rd place
7 to 4th place
6 to 5th place
5 to 6th place
4 to 7th place
3 to 8th place
2 to 9th place
1 to 10th place or below: All drivers from 10th place until the last finisher will get 1 point.

Drivers which have not finished the race also scored points.
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I recommend you to use the Lotus 97T'85: This has an similiar shape to Indy Cars.... What do you think of my recommendation?

If there was a base model, I would be all for it. But due to the team mechanic, we need the car colors. I do like the idea of a retro GPX series though, using the Lotus and the F3 car on old school F1 tracks. Something I'd think about doing down the road if GPX catches on...

 

[EF12345678]

Cosmetic changes coming to OP this week month!

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Cosmetic changes coming to OP this week month!

It's more than just cosmetic, that's why it's taking some time

 

[EF12345678]

It's more than just cosmetic, that's why it's taking some time

I'm just messing with you!