Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup 2025 Exhibition 3 season: 12 Nov - 29 Nov)

[Talon16]

I do find it odd that the top five GT1 drivers (in the West) are separated by over 50 points; and the top 15 are over a 100 point difference. That seems like a steep drop-off for one race.

Maybe PD is messing with the points calculations, or maybe less people are participating, or maybe........

 

[Wilsonson]

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Of course there might have simply been a mass exodus of high DR drivers before the final slot too. I vaguely recall I was #2, and my DR was about 80% of the bar (26k, I guess). Unless packed out with very-mid to quite-low B, it should still have been about 110-120 for the win though, and I think he got 96...

I am in a similar situation. My bar is roughly at 90% if I had to guess and I was door 2 behind another B driver. Therefore a 16.8k avg DR lobby (that corresponds to 84 points I believe) is somewhat hard to believe if it is true that all GT2 participants get ordered by DR and then put into their respective splits but who knows how it really works.

Info for those unfamiliar with DR points: B rating is from 10k to 30k points.

We shouldn't rule out some kind of internal software error here. It could be that when the point totals were allocated, the server was using zero as the DR amount of several drivers in the lobby.

Also a possibility.

I do find it odd that the top five GT1 drivers (in the West) are separated by over 50 points; and the top 15 are over a 100 point difference. That seems like a steep drop-off for one race.

Maybe PD is messing with the points calculations, or maybe less people are participating, or maybe........


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Also very odd. Maybe at the top end of A+ the DR point differences are rather large because say 80k+ and up gets exceedingly rare, i.e. a very thin tail in the points distribution. I would so love to dive into PDs driver ratings database and do an analysis.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I do find it odd that the top five GT1 drivers (in the West) are separated by over 50 points; and the top 15 are over a 100 point difference. That seems like a steep drop-off for one race.

Maybe PD is messing with the points calculations, or maybe less people are participating, or maybe........


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I saw the same, I wonder if it’s either the calculations or they are match making a much wider spread of DR point for lobbies so the typical lobby total spread is wider than previously.

Probably not related to this but I knew I’d remember seeing something about it before when the cap was updated

 

[Fezzik]

I saw the same, I wonder if it’s either the calculations or they are match making a much wider spread of DR point for lobbies so the typical lobby total spread is wider than previously.

Probably not related to this but I knew I’d remember seeing something about it before when the cap was updated

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Ah, that would explain this

 

[VTEC Driver]

Well, I ended up signing for team Renault, as I find it incredibly easy to drive and in my opinion the GT3 car is one of the most well rounded cars on the grid.

Still building this new account to A+ (currently on 44K DR). So the competition is certainly getting tougher with each race.

Slot 3: Door #7 and 208 points for the win. Happy days! Onto Road Atlanta!View attachment 1491815

So this car in the right hands can win at such level...
I was thinking that it would be slower than all the classic meta cars...
...so it is clear that it is just related to my skills...

 

[stpatty]

Qualified 6th. I should have been higher, I got out in time to do two laps but right before the chicane the guy in front of me slowed up, and there was someone closing in on me so I couldn't really hold up. My first lap wasn't great, my second one I went into him at La Source and he slowed down and put me in the wall after the corner.

In the first few laps the leader made a bit of a gap, with 2-5 in a pack just behind then me with a Porsche in 7th. On lap 3 I noticed he was a lot closer to me than before, before I realised it was actually a GT-R. He ended up passing me a lap later. All of this is irrelevant because it was due to rain on lap 6.

At the end of lap 4, one German guy in a Beetle pitted. I thought it was too early. It was. Next lap, I and a few others pitted. Four cars stayed out, I'd passed all of them by the time I'd made it out of Stavelot. I wasn't sure how I'd jumped everyone else who pitted but it turns out they all added fuel. Either way, once we were past the dry runners I was in the lead.

Now, the night before this race I did a 20 lap practice session in changeable conditions. I ran through the first three shades of blue on the rain map and found that even just the second level was actually full wet conditions. Looking at the map for this race there was a slight burst of dark blue. It couldn't possibly be full wet, could it? It's not as heavy of prolonged as my practice, and with 16 cars on track it'll dry up quicker. It's not going to be worth having wets when the weather passes, just go for inters!

Everyone went for inters and we spent laps 6-16 skating around. It was horrible. I was in the lead for all of it with a BMW occasionally gradually closing in on me. Eventually he got on the power too soon out of Stavelot on lap 13 and gave me a bit more breathing room. This also meant the early pitting Beetle passed him.

The rain passed for the start of lap 17 and the Bettle passed me at Pouhon on lap 18. He had a wobble to the end of the race and I could have gone for divebomb of the century into the chicane, but the BMW was still close and I would probably have just handed him the victory if I'd tried.

2nd place, clean race, 170-something points. I'm a bit annoyed I second guessed myself with the tyres, I'm a bit annoyed I didn't push the Beetle harder on the last lap since his tyres were also a lot more worn than mine with the extra lap of dry running but 2nd place and a clean race after 50+ minutes in the rain is hard to be upset with.

I was absolutely haemorrhaging time out of Raidillon as well. Losing as much as a full second on both of those cars each time. I don't know why, I felt like I couldn't go any faster without risking a penalty of hitting a puddle on the kerb.

 

[dazdilly75]

So this car in the right hands can win at such level...
I was thinking that it would be slower than all the classic meta cars...
...so it is clear that it is just related to my skills...

Thanks for the compliment, it's such an incredible car. It would have made the world finals if Moreno didn't cheat. It's my second time signing for them and I feel really confident with it. It runs really well at Road Atlanta too, so we should be competitive there. Good luck in the next round bro!

 

[VillaJ100]

How's everyone's practice for Road Atlanta going? I managed a 1.17.9 a couple of times but it felt like right on the ragged edge. Probably 1.18.4 would be a more comfortable race time. Driving RSR and high C/low B driver for context

 

[newmedia_dev]

How's everyone's practice for Road Atlanta going? I managed a 1.17.9 a couple of times but it felt like right on the ragged edge. Probably 1.18.4 would be a more comfortable race time. Driving RSR and high C/low B driver for context

I’m gonna do some race practice tomorrow, but I’m fairly OK at RA but it’s A lobby GT1 for me this time so feeling I need to bring my game as I deliberately skipped round 1

 

[Wilsonson]

How's everyone's practice for Road Atlanta going? I managed a 1.17.9 a couple of times but it felt like right on the ragged edge. Probably 1.18.4 would be a more comfortable race time. Driving RSR and high C/low B driver for context

Sounds fast for your rating. In limited laps I managed a 19 flat in my GT-R as a high B driver. I think I remember thinking to myself that 18.5 should be possible but I don't see myself going into the 17s. (Not gonna do more laps though till qualifying)

 

[nostradavor2]

How's everyone's practice for Road Atlanta going? I managed a 1.17.9 a couple of times but it felt like right on the ragged edge. Probably 1.18.4 would be a more comfortable race time. Driving RSR and high C/low B driver for context

I'll try tomorrow.. my only goal is to finish all races since this is my first tine doing this type of entry.. If I remember correctly CE lap in VW beetle was in low 18s so I expect to manage to go to 18s with Lancer and that's about it...

btw guys how do you figure tactics for pits so early.. I enteres SPA just without any strategy.. lost actually a lots of time on it

edit do you guys know how to find my results here? They're fine on PS

 

[VillaJ100]

Sounds fast for your rating. In limited laps I managed a 19 flat in my GT-R as a high B driver. I think I remember thinking to myself that 18.5 should be possible but I don't see myself going into the 17s. (Not gonna do more laps though till qualifying)

Ahh should state that I just used the 'practice' on the race event not a race sim so was soft tyres with no wear or fuel weight haha

 

[Wilsonson]

I did another full race test against Sophy. I actually made the one stopper work. However I did a full lap with a completely dead front left on lap 11 of my softs stint. Not recommended (6 seconds down on FL down the back straight).

Caveat would be that I forgot to switch to BB +5 until lap 5 which has a bit of an influence I believe. I also started from the back fighting my way through the Sophy field which also probably contributed to added wear compared to a smooth race.

The second stint ob mediums for 19 laps went well enough. Still some thread left at the end.

However my pace got increasingly bad through the last 5 or so laps. I was about 1.5 seconds off my FL which kind of hurts. Total race time for me was about 41:14. Unfortunately I didn't take a screenshot of my results from yesterday's 2 stopper test. And I doubt that I will do another one tomorrow.

Ultimately I will try and figure out a strategy as the race progresses but I'm leaning towards trying my luck with the 1 stopper. I like decent tyres however. A really interesting spot.

Does anybody know how much time a pit stop takes here?

 

[Moose78]

do you guys know how to find my results here? They're fine on PS

That URL is showing the US version of the website, which shows results only for the North American region. If that's not where you are competing, then you won't have any results there. There should be a button towards the top of the page that let's you pick a different region (probably shows up as a USA flag).

guys how do you figure tactics for pits so early

For me, I do a lot of tests beforehand in custom races with the same tire wear and fuel consumption multipliers as the race. I track my lap times in spreadsheets and use those to deduce which strategies work best.

Does anybody know how much time a pit stop takes here?

I haven't tested it, but the screenshot from the livestream that @Fezzik shared a few posts back said "19s + stop duration".

 

[fardoche]

Is there no post race screen to take our screenshot of anymore or did I just miss it?

GT1 slot 1 in the Americas, door 3, 168 point lobby I went Q11 to P7 at the end, too loyal/stupid to switch from Toyota.

Pretty eventful race with lots of places made up by contact ahead, but my race was ruined entering the pits on lap 10 only to be put into the pit entry wall, costing 3 positions. Otherwise a top 5 was on the cards..

Withstood some late race pressure in a great fight with @fardoche, always good to race hard and clean with a GTP member.

126 points and done for the night. 7 PM for slot 1 is a great change for me.

*edit - completely dry for both qualy and the race.

That was a fun race, few laps with 6-7 cars closely following, was a nice experience, intense.
I saw you getting a lot of pressure from "War" and then a little bit from me, but you kept your cool!
I was trying to take advantage of your battle with "War" to get closer, but got track limit penalities, twice!
You offered me a nice opportunity when you messed your pit entry, I was right behind you.
But I think I put a little bit too much fuel, refuel was so slow, when I got out of the pit you were right in front me again, bumper to bumper.

I joined the Manufacturer Cup, after months of hiatus, unprepared, 5 min before the 7pm race started with Ferrari (first time), did 3 laps of practices and join the race, turned out not so bad with Q13, P8.

 

[VillaJ100]

Is there any likely merit in starting on mediums and trying for 11 swifter laps on the soft at the end? Thinking maybe the lower fuel weight might save a bit of wear?

 

[MetalApe]

Is there any likely merit in starting on mediums and trying for 11 swifter laps on the soft at the end? Thinking maybe the lower fuel weight might save a bit of wear?

Absolutely, one of the main reasons for starting on Mediums, is that on Softs you could easily waste all the grip and potential lap time stuck in traffic. I'll start on Mediums unless I'm up the front of the grid.

 

[VTEC Driver]

So, yesterday evening I did a custom race, I put all the criteria required for the race, activated BoP, and watching the free practice I selected a deep cloudy day (late morning).

Started as first to avoid a useless fight, I used Medium for the first part and then soft.
The idea was to do 20+10 strategy.
Here below the two pictures shoving tires and timing (i am quite consistent but slow).
I am using TC2 (with a basic pedal system it is hard for me to control the inputs) and AT (still with auto because I need to stay focused on track).
Still not really clear to me where are the best breaking points.

After changed the tires I was around P10 and in 2 laps I overtook all the cars.
Being non really skilled I don't have big difference between medium vs soft.
However what I noticed is that even if I was with less fuel after 20 laps, the consumption of soft is quite strong so the best performance is not lasting for long.
For sure it is possible to do more than 10 laps, i think even 12, but I got the impression that the last 25% of soft are less performing than 25% of Medium... so in reality from lap 8 and onwards the performance are quickly declining.

Final time include the pit stop that I don't remember how much was long.

 

[dazdilly75]

I think the correct settings (weather wise) is CO2 cloudy and warm and early morning (9:30am) It's important you use these settings because it makes a huge difference to the tyre wear. Doing a 1 stop is incredibly difficult and I actually think most who try will be finishing the race on red tyres by the end. Yesterday, I raced a Distinct team driver in a public lobby, who did a 2 stop strat (in a lambo), and he beat me by 6 seconds, which sounds like a big gap, but he is a certified Alien. It was only on Lap 30 that my tyres capitulated and he passed me.

The A+ driver behind me in 3rd (in a Porsche) finished 15 seconds behind me and his tyres were completely red on the left side,
(as were mine).

Because of the layout of RA, the left side takes a beating. So it's imperative that lateral slides are reduced going into right handers. Because you will definitely pay the price in the last 2 laps.

After the race, we congratulated each other and the Distinct driver agreed that 1 stop was probably faster. Especially as he almost got beaten by a 44K A rated driver. In his split, he'd definitely have lost on a 2 stop strat, which is why context is important.

The Renault is phenomenal around RA, so it's just about tyre management.

 

[Moose78]

Still not really clear to me where are the best breaking points.

This combo -- Gr.3 at Road Atlanta -- was daily race a few weeks ago. You can probably find a bunch of lap guides on YouTube. Here's @Tidgney's:

 

[JDMKING13]

I’ve been racing in public practice lobbies and if you want to have a nice race day you’re going to have to figure out how to do a 1 stopper. The best I’ve finish a race is in 40:11.6.. Had to run a mixture of TCS 2/3 to bring the tires 🛞 home safely! I have no clue why we don’t make a testing room in which we can all practice and get better!

 

[VTEC Driver]

This combo -- Gr.3 at Road Atlanta -- was daily race a few weeks ago. You can probably find a bunch of lap guides on YouTube. Here's @Tidgney's:

You are an undisputed source of information... thanks a lot!
Most probably I have to adjust a little because in those races BoP was not applied. Or am I wrong?

 

[MetalApe]

I’ve been racing in public practice lobbies and if you want to have a nice race day you’re going to have to figure out how to do a 1 stopper. The best I’ve finish a race is in 40:11.6.. Had to run a mixture of TCS 2/3 to bring the tires 🛞 home safely! I have no clue why we don’t make a testing room in which we can all practice and get better!

What's needed to setup a practice room? Does someone need to stay online to keep it active?

Could we arrange a setup where we agree the parameters, if someone has it active join in. If it doesn't exist, then whoever wants to practice creates it with a name so it can be found by the rest of us.

 

[Moose78]

Most probably I have to adjust a little because in those races BoP was not applied. Or am I wrong?

BoP is applied in the daily races, too. No difference from the GTWS events.

 

[Wilsonson]

I’ve been racing in public practice lobbies and if you want to have a nice race day you’re going to have to figure out how to do a 1 stopper. The best I’ve finish a race is in 40:11.6.. Had to run a mixture of TCS 2/3 to bring the tires 🛞 home safely! I have no clue why we don’t make a testing room in which we can all practice and get better!

That's crazy fast. Are you A+? And good tip on using TC to preserve tyres.

 

[Pakiti]

I'm getting back into racing, hoping the blessed VPN will help, although the blocks are getting worse each time.

I had a terrible first stage, with no time to prepare, and only made it to the last slot, in a Ferrari (I decided to take someone's advice here and use the 458 for the last time, as it looks like it'll be 296 in the next championships), which I couldn't control. After ramming the tail of the field in front of a bus stop on lap 5, I sheepishly left the race so as not to ruin it for anyone else.

Road Atlanta seems to suit me and my Italian stallion very well! As always, I'm carefully studying @Moose78's recommendations, and I was very surprised that his best time was 1:20.213, while I managed something like 1:19.679, and I was able to break 1:20 even on medium tires. Of course, my consistency is still far from ideal, but for my C rating, I think I have an excellent chance of winning. Now it's all up to VPN to let me down on Saturday.

 

[nostradavor2]

what's good lap time for B/S driver? I'll go for 2 stops, just want to finish race and be good on Interlagos than...

 

[Wilsonson]

what's good lap time for B/S driver? I'll go for 2 stops, just want to finish race and be good on Interlagos than...

Bro come on. This thread is a gold mine and you don't even have to dig.

I started testing for the next round at Road Atlanta on the weekend already. I tested the Ford GT Race Car '18 and Subaru BRZ GT300 '21, since those are what I'm driving this season. A one-stopper in both cars seems very doable, at least for the way I drive.

Fuel is not an issue at all for me. At 1x fuel multiplier, I'm surprised that some of you are talking about fuel saving. I would have figured that all the cars can easily finish the race without taking on more fuel.

For testing I did 24 laps on RMs and 13 on RSs in each car. In most cases, the front left tire tread was completely gone by the end. In fact, in many cases I had to drive the full final lap of the test with a bald tire. I was surprised at how well the cars drove with a dead tire. They weren't fast, of course, but I wasn't spinning out or driving off the track on every right-hand turn either. It just felt like I was driving on extrenely low-grip tires.

I managed to get two rounds of tests in for the Subaru, but only one in the Ford. That's why the Subaru data is a little smoother.

Anyways, here are the numbers...

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	RS	13​	1:19.843​	1:20.213​	1:21.588​	17:40.641​
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	RM	24​	1:20.300​	1:20.394​	1:21.802​	32:43.238​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	RS	13​	1:20.147​	1:20.895​	1:22.378​	17:50.909​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	RM	24​	1:20.801​	1:20.821​	1:22.487​	32:59.692​

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Tire tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	RS	0%​	20%​	10%​	30%​
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	RM	0%​	25%​	15%​	35%​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	RS	0%​	NA​	NA​	NA​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	RM	0%​	40%​	15%​	35%​

(It seems I forgot to record the tread levels for Ford RS. I remember that the front left was 0%, anyways)

If I simulate all of the possible one-stop strategies using the lap times from my tests, these are the fastest 3 for each car:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Total time
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	10RS-20RM	40:33.060​
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	11RS-19RM	40:33.299​
Subaru	BRZ GT300 '21	9RS-21RM	40:34.665​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	11RS-19RM	40:56.638​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	10RS-20RM	40:57.316​
Ford	GT Race Car '18	9RS-21RM	40:58.606​

 

[Moose78]

I'm carefully studying @Moose78's recommendations, and I was very surprised that his best time was 1:20.213, while I managed something like 1:19.679, and I was able to break 1:20 even on medium tires.

What can I say? Us mooses aren't known for our speed.

Mind you, those numbers come from custom races where fuel consumption and tire wear multipliers are applied. The fuel weight and reduced grip in those conditions tend to result in slower laps.

Just for reference, I did some laps in Free Practice yesterday -- where fuel consumption and tire wear are disabled -- and posted a 1:19.5 in the Ford and 1:19.2 in the Subaru. Not spectacular, by any means, but definitely faster than what I can manage when the multipliers are in effect.

 

[Skidude88]

I've managed a sub 1:19 in free practice in the porky 991 on softs, but in quali only mid 1:20 (if I'm lucky)

Strategy was 10xS and 20xM

Was held up for most of the race 🤔 - Not a lot of overtake places.

Was being hunted down last lap hand over fist by another 991, who'd done 7xS, 12xM,11xM

I'd say his ability was 1sec a lap faster than me, I was being cautious on the last couple of laps as the Mediums didn't look like they were going to last , but I did a 1:22.051 on the last lap, vs his 1:20.821