Gran Turismo World Series discussion

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I know a lot of people including myself would really like on-screen tyre compound indicators for your opponents in these races (not just when they are in the pits). Now PD have shown it is possible.

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This would be so useful if they add it to the online/multiplayer.
I'd just be happy with a readable HUD in VR on PS5 Pro ...and some realtime lap delta info 🤣
 
According to the official announcement, the Manufactures Cup qualifiers will begin on January 14 and Nations on February 11. Each will be 6 rounds.
I'm not going to poo your post, as it looks like a judgment on you, but the contents of it absolutely merit it.

After all we said in 2024 and 2025, they're sticking with a six-race season. But moved it literally an entire quarter earlier.

I can't even. I quit.
 
I can't help thinking that the World Tour is becoming detrimental to the online aspect of the game for the 99.9% of us who like to compete regularly in official Esports events.

The format seems to be, rush through the qualifiers and then spend another 6 months fawning over the World Tour drivers, while the rest of the community sit on our hands.

This is not a slight against any of the talented drivers who make it to the world tour, but PD needs to remember that without the 99.9% of us engaging in these events, the world tour wouldn't even exist as it's halo event.

I would be more than happy if PD segregated the Top drivers into their own mini super league, instead of the rest of us having to dance to the beat of their drum.

6 races over a 2 week period is just abysmal and seeing as we don't have a daily race D, I rely on the GTWS races to provide me with longer races which have varied strategy involved. The perfect solution would be to have longer championships (10 races per championship) or more championships to compete in. Please do better PD, this is getting tedious!

RANT OVER!
 
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I can't help thinking that the World Tour is becoming detrimental to the online aspect of the game for the 99.9% of us who like to compete regularly in official Esports events.

The format seems to be, rush through the qualifiers and then spend another 6 months fawning over the World Tour drivers, while the rest of the community sit on our hands.

This is not a slight against any of the talented drivers who make it to the world tour, but PD needs to remember that without the 99.9% of us engaging in these events, the world tour wouldn't even exist as it's halo event.

I would be more than happy if PD segregated the Top drivers into their own mini super league, instead of the rest of us having to dance to the beat of their drum.

6 races over a 2 week period is just abysmal and seeing as we don't have a daily race D, I rely on the GTWS races to provide me with longer races which have varied strategy involved. The perfect solution would be to have longer championships (10 races per championship) or more championships to compete in. Please do better PD, this is getting tedious!

RANT OVER!
I lay my annoyance more at their inability to use the Championships feature for anything other than the GTWS.

I wouldn't really care about the GTWS being a 6-round series if there were other diverse series to compete in throughout the year, but they seem steadfast that we get one Gr.3 series, one "variety" series that seems more and more like just a high downforce race car series, and nothing else. And those being tied to the GTWS means it barely happens.

There's so much they could do with it: Roadster Cups. Production championships. One-makes for the non-Gr race cars. "Use the content from the new update" mini-leagues. But nope, Manu and Nations and that's our lot it seems.
 
I lay my annoyance more at their inability to use the Championships feature for anything other than the GTWS.

I wouldn't really care about the GTWS being a 6-round series if there were other diverse series to compete in throughout the year, but they seem steadfast that we get one Gr.3 series, one "variety" series that seems more and more like just a high downforce race car series, and nothing else. And those being tied to the GTWS means it barely happens.

There's so much they could do with it: Roadster Cups. Production championships. One-makes for the non-Gr race cars. "Use the content from the new update" mini-leagues. But nope, Manu and Nations and that's our lot it seems.
Agreed! I've always wondered why they have never made a Polyphony Digital Cup, with just road cars from select manufacturers, as an actual championship. The lack of creativity for Sport Mode is absolutely shocking.
 
Agreed! I've always wondered why they have never made a Polyphony Digital Cup, with just road cars from select manufacturers, as an actual championship. The lack of creativity for Sport Mode is absolutely shocking.

I know this is an age-old debating point, but I'm sure they've done the math and consider it not worth their time. Outside the GTWS they have/had their manufacturer promo events (Toyota, Honda, Merc, Michelin, probably Dunlop to come..)

The time to try harder would've been when GTSport was the current game. Not sure about GTWS, but the data for daily races/online TTs appears to show just tens of 1000s, possibly a little over 100 000 regular participants (but don't forget many are alts; Tidgney alone sometimes holds three of the top-ten times in TTs). And remember, that's worldwide, so...

PD hold all the data, they can probably see online racing isn't really a driver for selling the game (which is what they're all about) and is only of any interest at all to a small segment of the playerbase in the first place. A forum like this gives a very warped idea of what a 'GT player' is like. The vast, vast majority of people who bought the game, and who'll buy the next, have no interest in online and almost certainly anycwho do play online now and again (ie me) wouldn't go near it if there weren't half-decent prize monies available for doing things like ten minutes in TTs, or participating in GTWS as, sometimes, the only participants from their localities.

It'd be interesting to see if PD could charge users a (real) entry fee to cover the costs of paying an employee to create and run race series. Would anyone want to cough up cash in order to compete, if PD said that was the only viable way to go?...
 
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Oh well. If us plebs only get the usual paltry 6 proper races for the year, better that they get them over with straightaway.

Hopefully the Manufacturers has decent races with some strategy (and no Nordschleife). Not sure who to drive for, I’ve done pretty much all of them and the new Ferrari doesn’t really appeal to me.
 
I know this is an age-old debating point, but I'm sure they've done the math and consider it not worth their time. Outside the GTWS they have/had their manufacturer promo events (Toyota, Honda, Merc, Michelin, probably Dunlop to come..)

The time to try harder would've been when GTSport was the current game. Not sure about GTWS, but the data for daily races/online TTs appears to show just tens of 1000s, possibly a little over 100 000 regular participants (but don't forget many are alts; Tidgney alone sometimes holds three of the top-ten times in TTs). And remember, that's worldwide, so...

PD hold all the data, they can probably see online racing isn't really a driver for selling the game (which is what they're all about) and is only of any interest at all to a small segment of the playerbase in the first place. A forum like this gives a very warped idea of what a 'GT player' is like. The vast, vast majority of people who bought the game, and who'll buy the next, have no interest in online and almost certainly anycwho do play online now and again (ie me) wouldn't go near it if there weren't half-decent prize monies available for doing things like ten minutes in TTs, or participating in GTWS as, sometimes, the only participants from their localities.

It'd be interesting to see if PD could charge users a (real) entry fee to cover the costs of paying an employee to create and run race series. Would anyone want to cough up cash in order to compete, if PD said that was the only viable way to go?...
I mean, unless they've created the worst process of all time for making events (wouldn't put it past PD...), how much effort does it take? Throw together some combos, whip up some thumbnails, and most of the work should already be done. How are we supposed to know how popular alternative championships would be when they've never tried them? They could also capture other demographics that aren't represented in the normal Nations/Manus races with less on the line. An endurance championship, or a tuner's championship...
 
I mean, unless they've created the worst process of all time for making events (wouldn't put it past PD...), how much effort does it take? Throw together some combos, whip up some thumbnails, and most of the work should already be done. How are we supposed to know how popular alternative championships would be when they've never tried them? They could also capture other demographics that aren't represented in the normal Nations/Manus races with less on the line. An endurance championship, or a tuner's championship...
Yeah they could, but would it help sell more copies of the game in future? That's pretty much all they care about, I'd guess.
They probably think people hooked on Sport Mode now aren't gonna go elsewhere, so why harder? It doesn't matter to them anyway, as long as someone buys the game in the first place, whether they play online or only single-player makes no difference. If there were a subscription for online it might change their thinking.
I know PS+ is necessary for online multiplayer stuff, but I'd guess that all goes to Sony. In fact it might just be that they only bother with online races to satisfy demands from Sony to offer something PS+-worthy. Seems a lot of ongoing effort (the game's already been purchased) for v little benefit for PD imo.
Personally, I'd like to see them replace online with Sophy pretty much wholesale, maybe keep only A+ going for people who can fairly and regularly beat some stronger version of Sophy to play against each other to qualify for GTWS finals and suchlike.
 
I know this is an age-old debating point, but I'm sure they've done the math and consider it not worth their time. Outside the GTWS they have/had their manufacturer promo events (Toyota, Honda, Merc, Michelin, probably Dunlop to come..)

The time to try harder would've been when GTSport was the current game. Not sure about GTWS, but the data for daily races/online TTs appears to show just tens of 1000s, possibly a little over 100 000 regular participants (but don't forget many are alts; Tidgney alone sometimes holds three of the top-ten times in TTs).

PD hold all the data, they can probably see online racing isn't really a driver for selling the game (which is what they're all about) and is only of any interest at all to a small segment of the playerbase in the first place. A forum like this gives a very warped idea of what a 'GT player' is like. The vast, vast majority of people who bought the game, and who'll buy the next, have no interest in online and almost certainly anycwho do play online now and again (ie me) wouldn't go near it if there weren't half-decent prize monies available for doing things like ten minutes in TTs, or participating in GTWS as, sometimes, the only participants from their localities.

It'd be interesting to see if PD could charge users a (real) entry fee to cover the costs of paying an employee to create and run race series. Would anyone want to cough up cash in order to compete, if PD said that was the only viable way

Yeah they could, but would it help sell more copies of the game in future? That's pretty much all they care about, I'd guess.
They probably think people hooked on Sport Mode now aren't gonna go elsewhere, so why harder? It doesn't matter to them anyway, as long as someone buys the game in the first place, whether they play online or only single-player makes no difference. If there were a subscription for online it might change their thinking.
I know PS+ is necessary for online multiplayer stuff, but I'd guess that all goes to Sony. In fact it might just be that they only bother with online races to satisfy demands from Sony to offer something PS+-worthy. Seems a lot of ongoing effort (the game's already been purchased) for v little benefit for PD imo.
Personally, I'd like to see them replace online with Sophy pretty much wholesale, maybe keep only A+ going for people who can fairly and regularly beat some stronger version of Sophy to play against each other to qualify for GTWS finals and suchlike.
So because you only play offline, you think PD should completely disband the whole online player base!? If you don't play online, why would it affect what you do in single player? You also think that Sport Mode should be exclusive to 10k players world wide (A+) by not allowing it to available to anybody who isn't A+? So how do people get to rank up to A+ if they aren't allowed to compete in Sport Mode, unless they are A+? I don't think you've really thought this through.

The thing that worries me the most though, is you believe Sport Mode should be hidden behind a pay wall! Why would someone who exclusively plays against Sophy AI want Sport Mode hidden behind a pay wall? It doesn't take much effort for an employee to create 3 daily races each week and it certainly isn't a designated job which requires a rise in subscription for online players.

Your suggestions seem to suggest that the online players who like to compete in Sport Mode are worthless to PD, when the truth is, without us there would be no World Tour and GT Sport would have been a flop because of people like you who shy away from online competition.

By all means, stay playing against Sophy AI, there are quite a few of us who like to race online and have made friendships doing just that. We are the type who don't mind coming out of our comfort zone to compete. There are good fair racers at all levels in this game, but the rammers unfairly get all the attention, while the vast majority of us race clean and enjoy doing so. I couldn't disagree more with most of what you've wrote and the context is completely skewed.
 
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So because you only play offline, you think PD should completely disband the whole online player base!? If you don't play online, why would it affect what you do in single player? You also think that Sport Mode should be exclusive to 10k players world wide (A+) by not allowing it to available to anybody who isn't A+? So how do people get to rank up to A+ if they aren't allowed to compete in Sport Mode, unless they are A+? I don't think you've really thought this through.
I do play online. When did I say I don't? Have done for years.
I've thought it through. And through. How would people get to A+, you ask? It's really not difficult to understand: Sport Mode, now Sophy is getting pretty good, would mean getting certain numbers of clean wins against increasingly difficult/faster levels of Sophy, corresponding to E, D, C, B, maybe A categories (where say, ten clean podiums per category, out of last 12 race starts, allows progression to next category up; nobody goes down except for SR offences against the AI). Then, when A+ is reached (maybe A), proper player vs player races start, as now, but with merciless demoting to B (AI opponents again, 10 podiums to get back up) for all penalties, car contact, even repeated track violations. Job done, you have clean online racing for the fastest, cleanest people, and everyone else is enjoying good races (not being ruined by crazies) against the AI while simultaneously getting faster and being trained to race clean in a safe environment. It's really not difficult, and something along these lines is gonna come. Integration of online and offline with help from Sophy.
One of the reasons they've probably not bothered improving Sports Mode much is they know whatever they do, the crazies will still disrupt because that's why they play. Sophy offers a way to give people good increasingly human-like opponents while they improve their skills, or if they are incapable, for psychological reasons, of racing cleanly.
... employee to create 3 daily races each week and it certainly isn't a designated job which requires a rise in subscription for online players.
You know this? Is it inside info from the bowels of PD? I think you're wrong. Every minute of employee time costs PD. That's business.
...GT Sport would have been a flop because of people like you who shy away from online competition.
It was pretty much a flop until they chucked in the SP content. And I told you, I play Sport Mode; I just think it's rubbish as it is and won't get better until the crazies are isolated. I would like to play more but until it's better I probably won't, and I suspect many feel likewise. I just don't think PD owe online players any more than they get now for free; why should they do more when a) regular players play it anyway, and b) whether you (or I) play online or not, makes no difference to PD's income streams? PD isn't a charity.

Let me simplify things even further for you (try not to get distracted by whether, or how often, you imagine I play online):
PD gets income from users a) when somebody purchases the game (and its Power Pack).
Or b) when somebody buys MTX.
Whether people play online or not is irrelevant to profits, except that it obviously costs PD something to pay an employee to create the three races each week. So I reckon we're lucky we get three, not one. Or none. They could easily say 'go create your own races in lobbies'. Many do.
 
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PD is a division of Sony. Sony wants people to subscribe to PS Plus. So yes, in fact, PD is incentivized to keep people playing online, and paying for the subscription that allows them to.
 
With official season and first World Tour started early, I think they should go back to GT Sport era (or 2022 GT7 season) where competitors change every tour or so (though I feel they was going to change that for 2020 because of a year-long points system, if COVID didn't happen). But well, logistics happen.
I lay my annoyance more at their inability to use the Championships feature for anything other than the GTWS.

I wouldn't really care about the GTWS being a 6-round series if there were other diverse series to compete in throughout the year, but they seem steadfast that we get one Gr.3 series, one "variety" series that seems more and more like just a high downforce race car series, and nothing else. And those being tied to the GTWS means it barely happens.

There's so much they could do with it: Roadster Cups. Production championships. One-makes for the non-Gr race cars. "Use the content from the new update" mini-leagues. But nope, Manu and Nations and that's our lot it seems.
I know this is an age-old debating point, but I'm sure they've done the math and consider it not worth their time. Outside the GTWS they have/had their manufacturer promo events (Toyota, Honda, Merc, Michelin, probably Dunlop to come..)
Something I proposed is HRC eMS being a championship instead of a Time Trial. But Porsche Esports USA went the reverse from 2022 (plus 2021 Asian season) to 2023. Or maybe a Super GT esports series now that chances of latest GT500s seemingly increasing with Igor Fraga getting a GT500 ride, but I feel that would only be run in Japan (much like Mazda Spirit Racing GT Cup).
 
The next season Manufacturers Cup season is a week away. I expect we'll see the race details drop on Friday. In the meantime, what are your predictions on what we'll see in terms of tracks and combos?

My guess is we'll see something at Yas Marina since it is a new track. I expect they'll save CGV for high-downforce cars in the Nations Cup, though. We had Lago Maggiore in reverse last week in Daily Race B. That's a pretty rarely used track. I wonder if we'll see something there.

Do you think we'll see Gr.4 races like last season or back to strictly Gr.3 since it is a qualifying season?

For my part, I picked my Manufacturers -- Aston Martin and Renault -- when the last season ended and have been driving them exclusively in Daily Races to get practice driving them and to level-set my DR so I'll be matched with similar-paced drivers in the Manu Cup races. So far, I'm pretty happy with Renault, but the Gr.3 Aston Martins are terrible -- at least in my hands. Understeery boats.

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Happy New Year bud! As a Renault user in the last exhibition season, I can confirm hat they are a great manufacturer to use. The only issue I had last season was the high BOP GR4 round at Blue Moon Bay A layout. Top speed is the achilles heel of the GR4 cars. The GR3 is sublime at most tracks so enjoy!

In terms of tracks, I agree that we will see Yas Marina added to the schedule, I'm also expecting a curve ball track like one of the St Croix layouts this season. I also think Fuji will make an appearance and possibly a Nurb layout, as this was missing from the last Exhibition Season.

I do think GR4 will become a regular inclusion again, as it makes choosing a Manufacturer more nuanced. Also it takes away rhe advantage some manufacturers (like BMW) have as it seems to be OP on most tracks.

I won't be able to do round 1 as my new wheel arrives on 16th Jan and I'm useless with a controller. So I'll just be watching streams for the first round. In terms of choosing a manufacturer I haven't decided yet, but I may give Mclaren a go this season, depending on the combos.
 
The only issue I had last season was the high BOP GR4 round at Blue Moon Bay A layout. Top speed is the achilles heel of the GR4 cars.
That's been my experience with them in the Daily Races that I've tried them in, too. The FF Gr.4 car is the stronger of the two for top speed. The MR Trophy car is awful. It can't even keep up in the slipstream. I tried them at Nurburgring and Red Bull Ring. In my high DR B lobbies, the FF Gr.4 car could at least keep up with other cars when it had the slipstream. The Trophy car, not so much. It just got destroyed on the straights.
 
That's been my experience with them in the Daily Races that I've tried them in, too. The FF Gr.4 car is the stronger of the two for top speed. The MR Trophy car is awful. It can't even keep up in the slipstream. I tried them at Nurburgring and Red Bull Ring. In my high DR B lobbies, the FF Gr.4 car could at least keep up with other cars when it had the slipstream. The Trophy car, not so much. It just got destroyed on the straights.
Yep, that sounds legit. I had to use the FF GR4 Renault at Interlagos and went from 8th to 3rd! It was surprisingly competitive. The Megane Trophy is strictly a handling car, so it works at tracks like Brands Hatch and probably Barcelona.
 
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