Gran Turismo World Series

[Talon16]

Manufacturers standings after Round 4:
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Battle for the cutline:

Pos.	Make	Points	Gap
9​	Ferrari	262.833​	47.833​
10​	Nissan	257.333​	42.333​
11​	McLaren	233.833​	18.833​
12​	Subaru	231​	16​
13​	Honda	215​	-16​
14​	Genesis	176.5​	-54.5​
15​	Peugeot	163.5​	-67.5​
16​	Alfa Romeo	103.5​	-127.5​

Kaz really hates American cars. Of the six Gr3 offerings available they are all bad. The Vette and Viper may have a track they're good at, but that doesn't work in a racing series (and I don't even know if that's the case after the recent BoP).

US: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 61st place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100
AO: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 58th place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100
EMEA: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 59th place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100

Your bias is showing, Kaz. You might want to get that looked at.

 

[Lewmatic]

Really was hoping for rain in this race but it never came. Regardless, NSX did really well and by lap 5 gap from the rest of the cars was big enough to where I knew my placing wouldn't change as long as I tried to stay consistent. Ended up finishing on the podium while a friend took 1st with a 14 sec gap in the supra. If it was raining I definitely would have caught up to him.

 

[A1an]

The top 3 GT1 people are all in the BMW so I’m assuming it’s less about the quantity of people using them but those that do place consistently high.

It is also the meta in this week's daily race B. It might just be the fastest under the current BoP

The Manufacturer rankings are taken by the best finishing single vehicle/player only.

That said, the two M6s are always among the fastest way around any track in Gr.3. About 50% of the field in any GT2 League race is 911s (the most-common by far) and M6s.

Maybe I should give this a try next time, which is better out of the Endurance or Sprint?

I have seen a video a while ago saying there was no difference after testing both, but there have been many BoP's since then.

 

[Wilsonson]

In this week's daily B most at the top of the leaderboard are in the Sprint but I have also heard that there's no difference.

 

[newmedia_dev]

In this week's daily B most at the top of the leaderboard are in the Sprint but I have also heard that there's no difference.

It’s mostly cosmetic, the sprints don’t run 24hr lights and if it’s similar to the real world cars the enduro can run a larger fuel tank.

Other wise they should be the same.

 

[VTEC Driver]

Kaz really hates American cars. Of the six Gr3 offerings available they are all bad. The Vette and Viper may have a track they're good at, but that doesn't work in a racing series (and I don't even know if that's the case after the recent BoP).

US: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 61st place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100
AO: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 58th place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100
EMEA: The highest rated American brand car in GT1 is in 59th place (Ford), and it's the only one within the top 100

Your bias is showing, Kaz. You might want to get that looked at.

…and even if I am Italian I have chosen the Ford for the third time !

I like it because it is quite stable and manageable.
Once I will start using in manual instead of automatic I think I will push out an even better performance.

 

[newmedia_dev]

…and even if I am Italian I have chosen the Ford for the third time !

I like it because it is quite stable and manageable.
Once I will start using in manual instead of automatic I think I will push out an even better performance.

Manual will help you a lot mate, it’s worth the learning curve and it’s a really short one to be fair.

That said for my region and lobbies going too far off piste is not ideal or fun but it’s horses for courses and what is fun for you and everyone.

 

[Gorefast]

Spa is my favourite track and so I had to give it a go: Europe 22:00 in GT3

Usually I tend to make wrong decisions in the rain but this series in the Aston Martin is very different. Thanks to all these helpful reports in this section I knew that the qualifying would be dry and that during the race anything can happen.

My qualifying was rather safe and starting position 7 with door #4. I have been cautious at the start but that wasn't for everyone and there was a lot going on. Rain started in lap 5 and some pitted immediately. I went at the end of lap 7 for my pit stop and changed to wet tyres.

Some people overestimated what wet tyres can do and/or didn't use TC. I went TC 4 and even 5 for 1 or 2 laps. It kept raining and the wet tyres were fine. No faults and suddenly at 4 with quite a bis margin to 5 I was already happy and wanted to secure this result. Then the third got in trouble and I had surprisingly close racing with this Ferrari until the end. There were 2 or 3 moments where I could have tried an overtake but I felt unsure and didn't want to ruin his or my race.

Much better than expected!

 

[SnakeEyes427]

My Viper is cut way down to 4bs hp. I'm not here complaining. I know the light cars now have to deal with a lot of extra ballast in their car. Is there a edge to the newer cars in design? Probably, there should be. I'm not inclined be believe there is hate involved. Ford's new GT3 Mustang is already in. It is IMHO more a manufacture/copywrite thing. The C8R has been around for about as long as Ford's has. Yet, we only have the street car C8. And Dodge(!).., has nothing racing ITRW right to put in the game. I'm in favor of a Tomahawk GR.3 as an answer to the Viper problem. Seeing as more than one "Prototype" "VGT" GR.3s are racing now to fill gaps in OEMs lack of a current real world GT car. I.E. Mazda, Toyota to start. Or you know, give us back the ability to get a street reclassed as a GR.3 once fully tuned. We are all looking at you PD and Big US Auto companies!

My .02 cents.

Next person can have the box now. Sorry.

 

[911RSR]

I did a first test in Sardegna, felt like a completely new track backwards!

As to be expected fuel and tires are no problem! About 2 thirds of the rubber left after 12 laps.

Whatever you do, don't cut turn 1 to much or you'll be rewarded with a 1 sec penalty!

The final turn remains a mistery to me at the moment. Just can't find a proper way to carry the speed thru. I have to check some laps of the aliens, maybe that will help.

Best lap so far is a 1:41,9 (opt 1:41,5)

 

[Fezzik]

Don’t like this reverse layout & don’t like no strategy sprint races so will be giving Sardegna a miss. Suzuka looks like a dry race with the soft & medium requirements so I’ll just practice for that instead.

 

[Moose78]

Whatever you do, don't cut turn 1 to much or you'll be rewarded with a 1 sec penalty!

I would also advise against going wide on that corner.

I've done a few custom races for practice and laps in Free Practice. I've figured out a way to get around the track safely. The problem is, it isn't very fast. I've posted a 1:43.2 (I think) in Free Practice.

I've watched some of the alien replays. I don't know how they get the cars to do what they do. Whatever it is, I can't match it.

I'm going to keep running practice races and hope to make some incremental improvements to my pace, but I feel like I need to prepare to take a beating on Wednesday. I'm keeping my expectations pretty low for this round.

 

[Zorz]

I would also advise against going wide on that corner.

I've done a few custom races for practice and laps in Free Practice. I've figured out a way to get around the track safely. The problem is, it isn't very fast. I've posted a 1:43.2 (I think) in Free Practice.

I've watched some of the alien replays. I don't know how they get the cars to do what they do. Whatever it is, I can't match it.

I'm going to keep running practice races and hope to make some incremental improvements to my pace, but I feel like I need to prepare to take a beating on Wednesday. I'm keeping my expectations pretty low for this round.

A 1:43.2 might not be all that bad if you can do it safely. How on earth the aliens are getting into the 1:39s here is beyond me.

Since this is going to be another all out sprint, I'm honestly expecting this to have some element of attrition. I don't think I've raced this layout online before and its a lot harder than I was expecting. I think it took me 10+ attempts just to finish sector 1 when I first brought up free practice...

Most laps I'm happy if I can set a 1:41 of any kind as I tend to land in the low 1:42s, and I'm still hitting the walls a lot more than I'm happy with. Between turn 1 and the chicane, you could probably whip up a couple of murals with the amount of paint I've left behind. I clip the walls by turning in a little too soon at the sharp 90 degree right handers too.

My personal best (1:41.2 IIRC) was a fluke that came out of nowhere as I suddenly dropped 6 tenths off my previous best. Not even sure how I did it. Looks good on the leaderboards but not very representative!

 

[TBR 427]

Race report for Spa on Sat Night, McLaren, Asia-Oceania, GT1 (low A+)


Attempt 1:
Qualified 3rd with a a 2:19.0. All fairly close, a lot of people within a few tenths of that.
Race Start - a dumb penalty from running wide (McLaren is a dog on cold fronts and a full tank, understeer everywhere). About lap 9 there's light blue on the radar. People dash into the pits, I think "why?" and stay out. Turns out sBinotto has been manning the weather radar, and light blue means knee-deep water across the track. Interesting. Anyway, with the McLaren floating down the mountain somewhere, I bail and swim back to the pit lane. Race over, 14th.

Attempt 2:
Qualified 4th with a 2:19.1. Again, all fairly close, most of the field doing low 2:19s.
Race Start - immediately lose 4th to a Ferrari that launched itself into T1. Fine, long race, and he's at least fast enough. Eventually we catch up to the BMW in 3rd and start fighting him for position. Both the Ferrari and I get past the BMW after a few laps but we stay close together, none of us able to get away.
About Lap 9 I enact the FMP (Ferrari Master Plan) and box for tyres and some fuel. When the others pit Lap 10 or 11, I've made the undercut work on fresh rubber, and am right on the back of the AMG in 2nd when he comes out of the pits. Get him in the slipstream down the first straight and off towards 1st. About lap 12 I catch up to the leading Nissan GT-R.
What follows is a terrifying 7 laps of slowly closing in on the back of it, trading fastest lap after fastest lap for a while. Meanwhile, P3 and P4 (AMG and Ferrari) have caught up to the back of us.
He goes a little wide T1 of Lap 20 and I get a better run, and overtake him after the first straight! Into P1! Then he's all over the back of me for the rest of the lap. We go side-by-side through the fast left at the end of the lap, and he sends it into the last chicane, but gets a poor line through the second part and I go back up the inside.
I finish 1st by 0.2 seconds, and the top 4 are all within about 0.8 seconds.

1st, 268pts!

 

[VTEC Driver]

Am I the only one scared about T2 and T5?
In T2 after the start there will be a pure carnage.
In T5 you have to stay wide on the left to optimize the apex... I already see people using my right door to accommodate their apex in a very effective way...
...and this curve will not be the only one...

Expectation of a fair race = 0

 

[Wilsonson]

Race report for Spa on Sat Night, McLaren, Asia-Oceania, GT1 (low A+)


Attempt 1:
Qualified 3rd with a a 2:19.0. All fairly close, a lot of people within a few tenths of that.
Race Start - a dumb penalty from running wide (McLaren is a dog on cold fronts and a full tank, understeer everywhere). About lap 9 there's light blue on the radar. People dash into the pits, I think "why?" and stay out. Turns out sBinotto has been manning the weather radar, and light blue means knee-deep water across the track. Interesting. Anyway, with the McLaren floating down the mountain somewhere, I bail and swim back to the pit lane. Race over, 14th.

Attempt 2:
Qualified 4th with a 2:19.1. Again, all fairly close, most of the field doing low 2:19s.
Race Start - immediately lose 4th to a Ferrari that launched itself into T1. Fine, long race, and he's at least fast enough. Eventually we catch up to the BMW in 3rd and start fighting him for position. Both the Ferrari and I get past the BMW after a few laps but we stay close together, none of us able to get away.
About Lap 9 I enact the FMP (Ferrari Master Plan) and box for tyres and some fuel. When the others pit Lap 10 or 11, I've made the undercut work on fresh rubber, and am right on the back of the AMG in 2nd when he comes out of the pits. Get him in the slipstream down the first straight and off towards 1st. About lap 12 I catch up to the leading Nissan GT-R.
What follows is a terrifying 7 laps of slowly closing in on the back of it, trading fastest lap after fastest lap for a while. Meanwhile, P3 and P4 (AMG and Ferrari) have caught up to the back of us.
He goes a little wide T1 of Lap 20 and I get a better run, and overtake him after the first straight! Into P1! Then he's all over the back of me for the rest of the lap. We go side-by-side through the fast left at the end of the lap, and he sends it into the last chicane, but gets a poor line through the second part and I go back up the inside.
I finish 1st by 0.2 seconds, and the top 4 are all within about 0.8 seconds.

1st, 268pts!

Great writeup! And congratulations on the win. You sound fast. 🙂 Final lap would make a great highlight clip I guess.

 

[Zorz]

Am I the only one scared about T2 and T5?
In T2 after the start there will be a pure carnage.
In T5 you have to stay wide on the left to optimize the apex... I already see people using my right door to accommodate their apex in a very effective way...
...and this curve will not be the only one...

Expectation of a fair race = 0

You are not alone. I'm very nervous about this one.

Kind of scared about T3 as well. I'm not confident about doing that in a train with cold tyres and dirty air. If you're cautious through there, will that end up catching the car behind you out?

 

[Wilsonson]

You are not alone. I'm very nervous about this one.

Kind of scared about T3 as well. I'm not confident about doing that in a train with cold tyres and dirty air. If you're cautious through there, will that end up catching the car behind you out?

That is a real possibility. Especially in B lobbies. Everyone is reasonably fast (therefore often close together) but at the same time most lack race craft and the ability to stay clean and safe in a crowded field. At least this is true for me and many of my opponents.

Also the reverse layout is not very common or is it? I don't think I have ever driven on it in my 400 hours of GT7.

 

[Zorz]

Also the reverse layout is not very common or is it? I don't think I have ever driven on it in my 400 hours of GT7.

Don't think so. I can't remember it coming up in GTWS at least. I've missed a season here or there but I've done most of them since GT7 came out.

I've gone digging to try see what it's like in dailies since I don't do those and it seems rare there too. Seems like it's appeared 4 times since GT7 launched. Three times in Group 3 and once in Group 4.

 

[Gorefast]

Don't think so. I can't remember it coming up in GTWS at least. I've missed a season here or there but I've done most of them since GT7 came out.

I've gone digging to try see what it's like in dailies since I don't do those and it seems rare there too. Seems like it's appeared 4 times since GT7 launched. Three times in Group 3 and once in Group 4.

Some weeks ago we went with the roofless Gr. 3 cars the short layout in reverse at a 'clash of the titans' and it went pretty well. So let's hope for the best!

 

[Wilsonson]

Did about 10 laps now. PB of 1:42.8. Wouldn't even be gold if it were a time trial. Definitely need to improve to compete in GT2.

Track is complete madness. The barrier after T1, the breaking zone into T2, the super fast right hander T3 that you need to lift for and then nail the apex, the super narrow squiggly passage thereafter, then the second hairpin where you first need to trail break through a slight left to then throw the anchor and hit a sharp right and the final corner that is also like that but even more crucial are all either complete death traps or have the potential to make you lose tons of pace for a mediocre B driver like me.

I predict mayhem. But hopefully fun mayhem.

The long slowish right hander, followed by the sharp left and the acceleration zone towards the final corner is the only part of the track where I am remotely comfortable.

 

[MIE1992]

Seems that Round 5 is relatively simple, aside the fact that it's actually the rare reversed layout of Sardegna A. I don't see any mandatory tire changes nor pitstops - but could it possibly rain at Sardegna?

 

[tmtk]

Some weeks ago we went with the roofless Gr. 3 cars the short layout in reverse at a 'clash of the titans' and it went pretty well. So let's hope for the best!

Not everything went that smooth...

 

[Gorefast]

Not everything went that smooth...

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They had roofs! 🤣

 

[911RSR]

Am I the only one scared about T2 and T5?
In T2 after the start there will be a pure carnage.
In T5 you have to stay wide on the left to optimize the apex... I already see people using my right door to accommodate their apex in a very effective way...
...and this curve will not be the only one...

Expectation of a fair race = 0

T2 is the new T1 in this layout!

I don't excpect T5 to be such a critical point. On the way to it, the perfect line goes right, left, right and finaly left for the last bit of braking. Should be difficult to get in position for an attack. As long as you have a proper exit of T3, you should be fine.

The biggest danger i see, is to spin or to be turned over at one of the realy narrow bits of the track. Doing a 'driving school' 3-way turn there takes forever. And in such a short race that means your race is practically over. I did practice some handbrake turns yesterday, just in case ...

EDIT:
Here's a vid of Mikail Hizal exploring the Sardegna race:

I don't think the wind will be my big problem
But watching the lines he's taking might be helpful. And about at 11min he's showing the possible track limit penaltys.

 

[VTEC Driver]

Other training done today and I am struggling in lapping below than 1:44.
In 12 laps I can do twice 1:43 (high)... but it is more probable to be at 1:45...

Still not understanding when turn to properly approach T1 (avoiding penalty and / or the following wall on the right).
Also difficult the 2 curves before the final straight... with the car that often has its back dancing right left right left...

So supposing to not be destroyed after the start, staying in with a good pace will be hard...
...luckily it is a short race...

 

[ZEE]

Did some practice runs on Sardenga it is a very tricky track, notably corners 1, 6, 7 and final corner. But if you practice it can be also a very rewarding race. I look forward to tomorrow's race and I wish everyone the best race they have!

Acheived a decent 1:43 time with my LEXUS RCF and need more time tomorrow to improve that moreso.

 

[A1an]

I think that first slight left hand into the first corner proper is going to be a bad one and also the last corner, well the penultimate one into the final corner because the kerbs are very sharp and it will be easy to get squeezed off the track.

I will likely be starting from the middle to the rear so should be able to pick up some places at that first accident zone.

This track I know like the back of my hand in the normal version, but in reverse it is very different indeed.

 

[Wilsonson]

Managed a PB of 1:41.8 with on optimal of 41.3 due to some freak sectors here and there in my 20 lap stint. A normal lap is around a 1:42.5 for me. I hope that it will be enough to be able to compete in GT2.

Other training done today and I am struggling in lapping below than 1:44.
In 12 laps I can do twice 1:43 (high)... but it is more probable to be at 1:45...

Still not understanding when turn to properly approach T1 (avoiding penalty and / or the following wall on the right).
Also difficult the 2 curves before the final straight... with the car that often has its back dancing right left right left...

So supposing to not be destroyed after the start, staying in with a good pace will be hard...
...luckily it is a short race...

I managed to get through T1 cleanly roughly 17 out of my 20 laps without ever actually slamming into the barrier of death for a major crash.

I go very slightly right into the alternative road to the right, then immediately turn left to clip the edge of the white area and immediately start lifting. I do several micro lifts while trying to hit the left curb without getting on the grass too much and only stop the lifts when I'm completely comfortable that I will make the corner. Only very rarely am I able to keep a minimum speed of high 240s (kph) or even 250 and often go down to as much as 235 but I realized that this only costs you about a tenth max. This tradeoff is the best risk reward for me and my skills.

I approach T3 similarly. Here I ever so slightly break and try to stay above 175 kph with 180 being ideal. Hitting the walled apex is super tough for me though. I always fear hitting the wall and therefore usually leave too much space. When you happen to go below 170 here it could cost you quite a bit but that's still better than going into the wall or over the grass for a penalty.

Personally all 3 hairpins and especially the 2 left right ones are my nemesis. I am terrible at slow corners. Often either crawl through them if I break too early or lose tons of time with bad exits or outbreak my self in the latter two because I mess up the slight left hander approach.

This track is really challenging but also a lot of fun. I am looking forward to my lunch break to give it a go.

 

[911RSR]

Also difficult the 2 curves before the final straight... with the car that often has its back dancing right left right left...

In case you mean the left - right -combination before the star/finish straight, the way Hizal takes them (look in the video above) works for me as well.
Lift before the left hander and give the brakes a little touch before you turn in, let the car roll thru the turn and trailbrake into the right hander.
In the Porsche i shift down to 1st gear for extra rotation in the right hander and up to 2nd for acceleration.
But, like mentioned before, don't go over the curbs of the right hander, because they can unsettle the car!

As i managed to get everything right in those 2 turns, i could improve my best lap by 0.4 seconds!