Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)
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6 rounds of online qualifiers is pretty disappointing.
I actually think the esports players get the better end of the deal here. The live final attendee numbers are very similar to 2022 finals numbers (obviously 2022 Nations had pre-qualifying too) - 12 people in Nations go to 4 events, 36 people in Manufacturers go to two events.
I actually think the esports players get the better end of the deal here. The live final attendee numbers are very similar to 2022 finals numbers (obviously 2022 Nations had pre-qualifying too) - 12 people in Nations go to 4 events, 36 people in Manufacturers go to two events.
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So if I understood it correctly, we will have 12 online races for gtws (6 manu and 6 nations).
The top players after those 12 races will be selected.
What are the star players then? Are they already qualified? I'm confused about this part because the website already says which are the star players for 2024.
The top players after those 12 races will be selected.
What are the star players then? Are they already qualified? I'm confused about this part because the website already says which are the star players for 2024.
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My low end prediction was for a 7 round season. Somehow they've not met my spectacularly low bar.
Anyone remember when the Exhibition seasons in GTSport had 10 rounds?
Not fussed about the changes to the live events and a little surprised (but also not surprised) at the elites outrage.
Anyone remember when the Exhibition seasons in GTSport had 10 rounds?
Not fussed about the changes to the live events and a little surprised (but also not surprised) at the elites outrage.
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The touring regional finals reminds me of the 2018 FIAGTC format, though I agree 6 rounds per championships is paltry.
So 6 rounds in each? And only 3 of the best results tallied?
I don’t fully understand the format as I have only began to dabble with GTWS in the last few months… but basically what I’m asking is - these 6 races basically determine ultimately who is going to be at the final? Seems a little short no? Essentially someone could show up for 3 races and qualify for the Regional finals? 3 hours of racing does not seem like it worthy of that result to be honest
I know it’s to make it friendly to everyone that can’t make every race, but to me the stakes should be a lot higher for a world champion… Atleast make it 4 or 5 results to pick from
I don’t fully understand the format as I have only began to dabble with GTWS in the last few months… but basically what I’m asking is - these 6 races basically determine ultimately who is going to be at the final? Seems a little short no? Essentially someone could show up for 3 races and qualify for the Regional finals? 3 hours of racing does not seem like it worthy of that result to be honest
I know it’s to make it friendly to everyone that can’t make every race, but to me the stakes should be a lot higher for a world champion… Atleast make it 4 or 5 results to pick from
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One thing I think we can definitely rule out - the theory of "Sony want PD to stop throwing money at live events as part of their profit margin drive" is definitely not correct.
Adding more events is the most expensive change they could do - there's the rent at every location, they have to fly all the staff and equipment out to each city and so on. If they were tightening their belts, they'd be a lot better off doing one bigger event than several smaller ones.
Adding more events is the most expensive change they could do - there's the rent at every location, they have to fly all the staff and equipment out to each city and so on. If they were tightening their belts, they'd be a lot better off doing one bigger event than several smaller ones.
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That's if you don't assume that the original plan was five events for 36 competitors in each of the two series (potential maximum of 72, but likely to be low-60s). Cutting out one entire event, plus another 300 flights and 800 hotel room nights/meals (for 40 fewer drivers at each WSR plus 30 fewer at the WSF) would very much look like a belt-tightening by comparison.
Might be the only way to get it past the bean counters who also recently made some of our GTWS PR contacts redundant.
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For the record, here are links to some of the official material about this season:
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Have I missed something here with all the world top driver? So I seen today the top players said “oh GTWS is dead” “no more this and that” “I won’t be returning” etc… but from what I can see, I don’t think anything has really changed?
Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.
Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.
Im not sure what all the fuse is about?
As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.
Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.
Im not sure what all the fuse is about?
As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
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Odd that the Manufacturers schedule in the first link skips a Saturday and does Monday-Wednesday in the middle of it. The pattern should have been May 15, May 18, May 22 (Wed - Sat - Wed), but instead it's May 15, May 20, May 22 (Wed - Mon - Wed).
I'm not complaining, I couldn't have done that particular Saturday anyway but still odd.
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Admittedly I wasn’t really a fan of the team format. I understand why they did it, and that it creates more of a collective answer as to who the overall best nation is but when you have the grand final race on Spa and a guy like Gallo only does 20% of the race on different tires in a totally different strategy to the other top drivers it really takes away from the overall spectacle
I know it means a lot of good drivers will potentially miss out on places but it’s a world championship for a reason, the stakes should be high and it should include the very best of the best drivers. No offence to some of the teams but like some of the nations last year featured some drivers who are very good but they weren’t the best, and they were attending at the expense of some of the best drivers in the UK, Germany, Australia, Argentina etc..
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Interesting. I wonder if it's a typo; they've been known to do that sometimes.
I think it's just less people can qualify (only five from all of Europe I believe). So the super-cyborg-king-aliens who are trying to qualify may not be able to because there are less slots to fill. The odds of investing that much time to be the best 0.01% of players only come away completely empty handed just increased; many are probably thinking "to h*ll with this." More may come out in a few days but that's what I gather.
For us shlubs, doesn't appear anything has changed.
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Agree on that. The team format wasn’t a bad idea at all. But I did take away the battles on track between drivers. It did create a bit of an unbalanced too in the depth of teams. Some teams had 3 very strong fast driver and some not so.
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Just remember that the Live Final event the other year in Monaco, the quarter and semi finals of Nations, were all held on the same day so you had groups of drivers. Looks like now 12 now only qualify from the online events. Can see why some drivers are now annoyed.
@Talon16 Just seen your post. Yeah I totally forgot that the format prior had more contestants.
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6 rounds for each is too short. Would be cool however, if the “World Series” rounds in Canada, Prague, Tokyo and (Aubu Dabi) also dovetailed as eligible rounds for the other 99.9% of us that have no aspirations of trying to qualify, giving us a 10 round season.
Regardless, I’m just excited that I should be healed up enough to press a gas pedal come Manufacture season in May, and this will most likely be my first and last time I’ll be able to complete an entire season on one account!!
Hopefully the combos are good
Regardless, I’m just excited that I should be healed up enough to press a gas pedal come Manufacture season in May, and this will most likely be my first and last time I’ll be able to complete an entire season on one account!!
Hopefully the combos are good
What this game needs is special events not tied to gtws. The only reason we want more gtws online events is because those races go beyond what we have in the daily races.
Most of us are not trying to qualify and couldn't care less. Sure the league aspect of if is nice, but that can be achieved with other league events not tied to the gtws.
Most of us are not trying to qualify and couldn't care less. Sure the league aspect of if is nice, but that can be achieved with other league events not tied to the gtws.
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That's a mistake, it should be 18th like the pattern suggests
I have to wonder if that's the reason for the somewhat outsized negative reaction we've been seeing. A plan will always look worse if something better was promised and then yanked away.
The bizarrely short seasons are definitely confusing, though. What was ever wrong with having a few rounds between each live event? Why does one single season need to decide everything?
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Reposted from the other thread for reference:
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For my part, I'm not too bothered by the length of the 6-round season. It is more than the last few exhibition seasons, anyway, and depending on how things go with my Manu Cup choice, I may not want to be locked into my manufacturer any longer than that.
I just hope we don't have to wait until September for the following exhibition season to begin. That would be really disappointing... but maybe not surprising, given how previous seasons have gone.
I just hope we don't have to wait until September for the following exhibition season to begin. That would be really disappointing... but maybe not surprising, given how previous seasons have gone.
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While I understand that regular GTWS drivers are sad as rgis is limiting their social aspect, giving the c9mment that 'GTWS are dead' is overreacting, at the end if they don't participate other people will do on their place
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Since GT7's release Polyphony has really gone out of their way to format the GTWS to cater to their live event vision, leaving the rest of us with a dozen or so championship races over the entire year which is far too few in my opinion. As @Bojador stated, it's time for PD to set up a non-GTWS championship that fills the gap between the six-race GTWS season and the likely four-race exhibition season at the end of 2024. We are a far cry from the GTS tournaments which had multiple official ten-round seasons as well as ten-round exhibition seasons each year.
I raced in lots of Dailies in GTS until I got the platinum trophy, after which I dedicated myself exclusively to the FIA events. I have not done a single Daily in GT7. I want my stats and my DR to reflect my performance in the championship seasons, which now unfortunately are few and far between. I don't have time to spend eight hours a week looking for the perfect qualy lap, nor the desire to participate in races that don't mean anything except for my stat page.
I love the organized championships. With PD reducing the number of official races per year to literal peanuts, I really hope they have the sense to toss a ten- or twelve-round non-GTWS tournament during the downtime. Something tells me that's wishful thinking, but I really hope something like that happens since GTWS and online time trials are pretty much the only thing I do with this game.
I am really disappointed right now thinking about the whole TWO AND A HALF WEEKS of racing coming up, and then crickets for at least four months until September. What a bummer.
I raced in lots of Dailies in GTS until I got the platinum trophy, after which I dedicated myself exclusively to the FIA events. I have not done a single Daily in GT7. I want my stats and my DR to reflect my performance in the championship seasons, which now unfortunately are few and far between. I don't have time to spend eight hours a week looking for the perfect qualy lap, nor the desire to participate in races that don't mean anything except for my stat page.
I love the organized championships. With PD reducing the number of official races per year to literal peanuts, I really hope they have the sense to toss a ten- or twelve-round non-GTWS tournament during the downtime. Something tells me that's wishful thinking, but I really hope something like that happens since GTWS and online time trials are pretty much the only thing I do with this game.
I am really disappointed right now thinking about the whole TWO AND A HALF WEEKS of racing coming up, and then crickets for at least four months until September. What a bummer.
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Not that PD really is going to lose anything tangible - being that 95% of the player base doesn’t even play sport mode. But besides these grievance generation cry babies whining about not being able to qualifying for a live expense-paid tournament, PD runs the bigger risk of losing dudes like me to Iracing or ACC. I mean, this game really could have it all. After a quick 30 minute tire-testing session this morning, I literally jumped into every Civic I had, and hot-lapped around the Nurburgring for 90 minutes
^ this is the heart and soul of Gran Turismo IMHO. But they could have it both ways by catering to the casual, and to the competitive types. I mean, there cooouuuuuld be potential down the road for bigger “live events” if PD ever got this driver swap thing going. Then you could have drivers at a live event, and teammates competing remotely…. but you know, whatever 🙄
Honestly I’ll be curious to see if they have something up their sleeve come September. The rumored PS5 pro should be close to hitting the shelves by then. And theoretically, that machine should be capable of fulfilling Polyphony’s vision, as long they don’t get in their own way
^ this is the heart and soul of Gran Turismo IMHO. But they could have it both ways by catering to the casual, and to the competitive types. I mean, there cooouuuuuld be potential down the road for bigger “live events” if PD ever got this driver swap thing going. Then you could have drivers at a live event, and teammates competing remotely…. but you know, whatever 🙄
Honestly I’ll be curious to see if they have something up their sleeve come September. The rumored PS5 pro should be close to hitting the shelves by then. And theoretically, that machine should be capable of fulfilling Polyphony’s vision, as long they don’t get in their own way
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They're really keen to kill GTWS off
Dropping entries to 12 on top of no new road courses in over a year and same Nations/Manufacturers set up for 7 years now... forget about it
Dropping entries to 12 on top of no new road courses in over a year and same Nations/Manufacturers set up for 7 years now... forget about it
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This is purely just hope but maybe the GTWS schedule is shorter this year because there will be races to qualify for the Olympics (hopefully during the actual games). To me that would make up for the shorter World Series season and then some.
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