Gran Turismo World Series (Nations Cup Exhibition Season: Jan 22 - Feb 1)
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So, my GT2 results for the Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Series Season 2 are in:
Local Ranking (Connecticut): 1st
Domestic Ranking (USA): 18th
Regional Ranking (North America): 534th
Sounds good to me. However, for the Nations Cup that's coming up, I'll only be about to do the second and fourth rounds, as I'll be out of town during the first and third rounds.
Local Ranking (Connecticut): 1st
Domestic Ranking (USA): 18th
Regional Ranking (North America): 534th
Sounds good to me. However, for the Nations Cup that's coming up, I'll only be about to do the second and fourth rounds, as I'll be out of town during the first and third rounds.
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Can confirm that. Earlier this year I was in GT3 and there were several of the top 25 that were A level drivers that lowered themselves to C. (and there was also the winner that I do believe ended up there because of a reset and not to get easy wins)
In the last race I was in the same race as some of these and ended up a lonely 9th, did not stand a chance...
Some of them are still in GT3.
If you noticed in the recent race that the top of the GR4 practice leaderboard there were several so called (low) B drivers that were about 1.5 to 2 seconds faster then the 'real' B drivers and when you watched on their profile it showes something like 500+ races done with a 100+ wins and they are barely in B level. ( But on the other hand there was also a Japanese fellow top of the leaderboard with only 10 races done!)
It would help to seperate the DR between dailys and the series so that the dailys can not be abused to gain or lose DR/SR.
My last race in GT2 B/S I felt like I was with similar level drivers and even though I did not win it is so much satisfactory to race with ones own level, rather then just drive away at the start or even worse, watching others do that.
About my series: For myself I only did the 2 GR4 races, Had a workshift during the first round and no way I could learn to drive Bathurst in the few days available so focussed on the 2 GR4 races. Sort of expected to win at Watkins Glen as I am always doing well there. Dragon Trail was a track I think I never really raced on and was pleased to get a podium finish there. normally I try to do both Gr 3 and Gr4 but this series was just to short in both time and events)
For the coming series, whenever they might be, I am going to switch manufacturers, think it is time to do so. Considering McLaren or AMG, maybe someone else, but will have some fun in testing to make a decision.
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I definitely noticed this by doing a little investigation into the top profiles. LOT of very obvious smurf accounts with no daily marathon activity before season 1 started.
It was like a lobby quality light switch between my nurburgring race where I was door 1 and then the next three races where i'm in the top splits with all the same people and cannot keep up and am never above door 12 and can't qualify to save my life.
Can confirm some insane speed in GT3 sometimes. In Bathurst a guy in qualifying did a low 2:02. Clearly A to A+ territory in my opinion. Maybe some have just started out in Sport Mode and are rapidly increasing their DR but I guess cheesing the rating is probably a thing. Personally I don't understand why anyone capable of doing ok to good in GT1 would get a kick out of dominating GT3 on purpose.
Now Dragon's Trail. Contrary to popular opinion I kind of like the track. It is tough and unforgiving. But also challenging which I like.
I'm in GT3 for Honda.
First race wasn't anything special. Q3, finished 3rd in a 64 points lobby coming in as car no. 9. Had a couple errors which lead to finishing almost 10 seconds off P1. In free practice I switched between error free laps and ones with noticeable mistakes regularly, therefore this was kind of expected.
The second race was more interesting. Door number 6 this time in another 64 points lobby. I qualified 1st with a 1:39.272 only 3 tenths off my pb in free practice. I had a tiny bit more pace than the guy in 2nd and for some reason was mostly error free for the first 10 laps. My biggest gap was about 3.5 seconds but he was absolutely flawless going his pace like a metronome. I had a couple errors here and there which lead to about a 2 seconds gap approacing the final double left hander of the second to last lap.
Then it happened. I braked a tiny bit too late which lead to going too deep into the apex. I was worried that p2 might get a run on me and accelerated a bit too early. Oh noes...
I was certain that I threw a way my only chance at a win because making this little mistakes in ten laps felt like a miracle. However we should never give up. I recovered off the grass and had a flawless sausage chicane. I was about a half second behind approaching the hairpin after the back straight. Finally mister metronome had a moment if his own braking way too late and going too deep. I hit the corner perfectly and cut underneath and brought it home.
Overall this was a great experience. My first GTWS with only 5 races under my belt at the beginning of the series. Some great races. Especially Nürburgring and Watkins Glen. A very decent finish as well. 90th overall in GT3 and 2nd for Honda. Seemingly I am the only person in my region of 2 million inhabitants having raced this. This is a little unbelievable but I will gladly take the credits of course. Also apparently 2nd in all of Germany for GT3. Funnily the guy above me must be the same that is p1 for Honda because that one is also a German. Weird that online has a different aggregation than in the game.
I am excited for Nation's. Unfortunately I had registered back when I also registered for Manufacturer's. Therefore I will be in GT3 as well rather than GT2.
Thanks for all the reports and race strategy advice in this thread. It is a pleasure to be part of it.
Now Dragon's Trail. Contrary to popular opinion I kind of like the track. It is tough and unforgiving. But also challenging which I like.
I'm in GT3 for Honda.
First race wasn't anything special. Q3, finished 3rd in a 64 points lobby coming in as car no. 9. Had a couple errors which lead to finishing almost 10 seconds off P1. In free practice I switched between error free laps and ones with noticeable mistakes regularly, therefore this was kind of expected.
The second race was more interesting. Door number 6 this time in another 64 points lobby. I qualified 1st with a 1:39.272 only 3 tenths off my pb in free practice. I had a tiny bit more pace than the guy in 2nd and for some reason was mostly error free for the first 10 laps. My biggest gap was about 3.5 seconds but he was absolutely flawless going his pace like a metronome. I had a couple errors here and there which lead to about a 2 seconds gap approacing the final double left hander of the second to last lap.
Then it happened. I braked a tiny bit too late which lead to going too deep into the apex. I was worried that p2 might get a run on me and accelerated a bit too early. Oh noes...
I was certain that I threw a way my only chance at a win because making this little mistakes in ten laps felt like a miracle. However we should never give up. I recovered off the grass and had a flawless sausage chicane. I was about a half second behind approaching the hairpin after the back straight. Finally mister metronome had a moment if his own braking way too late and going too deep. I hit the corner perfectly and cut underneath and brought it home.
Overall this was a great experience. My first GTWS with only 5 races under my belt at the beginning of the series. Some great races. Especially Nürburgring and Watkins Glen. A very decent finish as well. 90th overall in GT3 and 2nd for Honda. Seemingly I am the only person in my region of 2 million inhabitants having raced this. This is a little unbelievable but I will gladly take the credits of course. Also apparently 2nd in all of Germany for GT3. Funnily the guy above me must be the same that is p1 for Honda because that one is also a German. Weird that online has a different aggregation than in the game.
I am excited for Nation's. Unfortunately I had registered back when I also registered for Manufacturer's. Therefore I will be in GT3 as well rather than GT2.
Thanks for all the reports and race strategy advice in this thread. It is a pleasure to be part of it.
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Friendship with McLaren and UK ended, now WHAT THE FRICK IS A KILOMETER?
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Now that the Manu Cup is done, I'm pretty happy with my results, especially considering that I missed the last round.
I enjoyed my stint with Mazda. I wanted to get at least one Gr.4 race in with the MAZDA3 before its inevitable nerfing, and it delivered for me at Watkins Glen. The RX-VISION was a solid Gr.3 car at the ring and the mountain.
The races were fun. I'll take any excuse to run laps at Nurburgring, so I was glad to have a race there. The drying track added an interesting challenge to the race. Watkins Glen was a fun sprint. With the gradually degrading tires, it was hard to know how things would play out at the end. I found the race at Bathurst the most fun. With drivers running different strategies, you didn't find out where you stood until the final lap.
I have to say the whole series felt very rushed to me, though. It really felt like there wasn't enough time to prepare for the races properly. I preferred last season, when all the races were on Saturdays. A week was about the right amount of time for me to start feeling comfortable on the track. Besides, Saturday races are much easier to schedule than Wednesdays.
Looking forward to the next season, and trying out another manufacturer.
I enjoyed my stint with Mazda. I wanted to get at least one Gr.4 race in with the MAZDA3 before its inevitable nerfing, and it delivered for me at Watkins Glen. The RX-VISION was a solid Gr.3 car at the ring and the mountain.
The races were fun. I'll take any excuse to run laps at Nurburgring, so I was glad to have a race there. The drying track added an interesting challenge to the race. Watkins Glen was a fun sprint. With the gradually degrading tires, it was hard to know how things would play out at the end. I found the race at Bathurst the most fun. With drivers running different strategies, you didn't find out where you stood until the final lap.
I have to say the whole series felt very rushed to me, though. It really felt like there wasn't enough time to prepare for the races properly. I preferred last season, when all the races were on Saturdays. A week was about the right amount of time for me to start feeling comfortable on the track. Besides, Saturday races are much easier to schedule than Wednesdays.
Looking forward to the next season, and trying out another manufacturer.
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Round 4 of the Gran Turismo World Series Exhibition Series 2, North America GT1 League, 10:00pm slot. Corvette Gr.3.
After two strong races in a row, I was hoping to end this season on a high note. DTG is not my favourite track but I was hoping to pull something together. I did a 1:32.3 in practice, and I've been easy on the tires this season so I thought I'd be OK. The trouble started when I loaded into a lobby with 5 A+ drivers leaving me with a DR door number of 16. The trouble continues in qualifying where I have to take evasive action on lap 1, and get rear ended on lap 2, putting me P16 on the grid.
The race starts and I'm stuck at the back for the first half, only gaining positions at the misfortune of others. My pace improves around halfway and I within striking distance of a pack of cars ahead. I pass a Supra for P13 (woo) heading into lap 10, but as we enter the chicane they tag my bumper and send me hard into the wall. I take heavy damage, but see no sense in pitting, and the Supra was courteous enough to wait for me to get going again. Despite the damage I carry on and limp it home for a dismal P13 finish.
VR Recording;
After two strong races in a row, I was hoping to end this season on a high note. DTG is not my favourite track but I was hoping to pull something together. I did a 1:32.3 in practice, and I've been easy on the tires this season so I thought I'd be OK. The trouble started when I loaded into a lobby with 5 A+ drivers leaving me with a DR door number of 16. The trouble continues in qualifying where I have to take evasive action on lap 1, and get rear ended on lap 2, putting me P16 on the grid.
The race starts and I'm stuck at the back for the first half, only gaining positions at the misfortune of others. My pace improves around halfway and I within striking distance of a pack of cars ahead. I pass a Supra for P13 (woo) heading into lap 10, but as we enter the chicane they tag my bumper and send me hard into the wall. I take heavy damage, but see no sense in pitting, and the Supra was courteous enough to wait for me to get going again. Despite the damage I carry on and limp it home for a dismal P13 finish.
VR Recording;
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Dailys are a different ball game. For one you have unlimited practice time to set your quali lap, so naturally if you're not driving the meta you're gonna start at the back. Also generally there are a lot more dirty drivers, so again if you start from the back there's a high risk getting involved in trouble. Thirdly the lack of strategy means it's basically just a hotlapping competition with traffic. I never do Gr.3/4 dailys anymore because it's just a boring one sided race unless you use one of the top cars.
Manu you have to qualify on the spot + generally cleaner drivers + people using more varied cars + the need to fuel/tyre save = opens up more possibilities for non-meta cars to do well.
In general I just wish people realise the biggest factor in doing well is driver skill, not the car, amount of testing/practice, or getting "perfect" strategy. Those things help but only within your local group of racers. If you want to get more points, there is no easy way other than becoming a better driver and racing in a higher split room. And if you've done hundreds of races, chances are you already plateaued and that's the level you're operating. Forget about points, pick a fun car and just enjoy the races. Unpredictability is what makes racing great. Overpracticing just sucks the fun from racing.
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Was good seeing you out there as it’s been a while since I’ve had another gtp member in a gtws race. I leave saying hi until after the races these days because it seems to either jinx me or identifies me as a target for puntero if I say hi to anyone beforehand hand. Now I try and lay low 😂
I watched the replay after the race and saw your misfortune in the chicane and I had a friend in an m6 that had the exact same thing happen in the chicane and same car which waited for him to get going out of the wall as well. Nice to see the gesture but the incident sucks all the way around.
Definitely a tough hand that you were dealt in that one.
Wish you some good racing for the next series and maybe we’ll meet again on the track soon 🍻
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I didn't race this Manufacturer's Cup season, partly because I have no desire to spend time finding and testing different setups on top of racing.
It's just my opinion, but I personally think PD allowing open tuning is a slippery slope and IMO for the next manufacturer season they should revert to fixed settings.
Allowing open tuning (even though they only allow changeable suspension settings at the moment) creates a few problems:
It's just my opinion, but I personally think PD allowing open tuning is a slippery slope and IMO for the next manufacturer season they should revert to fixed settings.
Allowing open tuning (even though they only allow changeable suspension settings at the moment) creates a few problems:
- BOP discrepancy becomes larger
As far as I know, the BOP (power/weight) is set for each car with a fixed setup. So some cars will be BOP'd based on a setup that might not be very good. Now if tuning is enabled for that car, suddenly that car becomes much faster than a car that may have already been BOP'd with a very good setup.
One of the drivers who just won a GTWS world championship ran a Genesis and Lexus on different accounts at the Bathurst round, and the Genesis X was 0.7 seconds per lap faster. In top split this kind of gap will likely see you near the back of the field.
There is never going to be a perfect BOP level, but allowing changeable settings makes the gap wider, not closer... which defeats the purpose.
- Tuning takes time away from driving
One of the big appeals of Gran Turismo and GTWS events is the ability to turn up with as much as little practice as you want and just race.
Instead, to be competitive with open tuning, you will either need to spend time setting up the car, testing, iterating through settings changes, or find someone who will give you a tune, or spent a lot of time trawling servers or forums to find a setup. This applies even if you only have partial tuning. All of this takes time away from actually practising (both trying to drive fast, and figuring out a race strategy) which people already spend a lot of time on.
ACC and iRacing already exist, this is where most people who want the "full" sim experience usually gravitate to if they want this.
Which leads me to...
- Open tuning creates a market for buying setups
GTWS championships offer several overseas trips a year, plus appearance fees, plus merchandise including limited edition gear worth thousands of dollars. People will spend money to buy the 'ideal' tune for a car if it offers ROI. This already happens in ACC and iRacing and it already happened in the FIA GT championships where setups were sold for 50 euros each for a Top 16 Superstars Nations Cup race in 2020, and people bought it.
Not everyone can afford this and it is simply a problem that need not exist.
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If anybody can be accused of overpracticing for these GTWS races, its me. For me, personally, the practice and preparation IS the fun part of these GTWS races. I love driving laps. I love tracking and analyzing the data. I love running tests to answer questions I have about strategy. The race is the icing on the cake. I get one shot (okay, maybe more) to find out if the preparation pays off.
Obviously, you can't prepare for everything, and that's part of what makes it fun.
I agree, it probably isn't the best way to move up the ranks as a competitive racer. If that's your goal, you are better off taking the advice of the better drivers than me on this forum, such as @LeGeNd-1. But for me, I'll keep doing my practice and preparation because that's how I get the most fun out of the game.
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A lot will be tanking their ratings due to the lack of slots in GT1. Perhaps they can only race at certain times of the day and thus the slots in GT1 are inaccessible. PD needs to revert the slots back to as they were. It is one thing I am glad of in not being fast enough for GT1 at the moment.
1,000 meters. You're welcome.
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I think you might be going a little to strong here especially when it’s only partially suspension tuning… First and for most every round didn’t allow tuning… The tuning aspect in my opinion is nothing like what you get in ACC in where you need a setup to be competitive… Driving the The 458 I wish they let us tune for the whole series… while the stock set isn’t bad it isn’t the best… and when PD let us tune in certain rounds it helped me drive the car better because I was a lot more comfortable in the car… It didn’t make me gain another second but I was a lot more consistent because the car felt better. In that Bathurst round I needed that bad how demanding the track was.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Agreed. I wish they opened up more tuning options for us Ferrari drivers. Anyone that complains, you’re subjected to (3) consecutive seasons only with Ferrari 😂
I dig tuning. In the case of the Ferrari, it never found me more pace, but rather, more drive ability. When I was with Porsche last season, I was able to find a bit of pace by just getting the car to handle how I like it to. I tried other peoples setups from discord, and they were just that…….THEIR SETUPS. They didn’t work for me.
However, I think the sweet spot as far as tuning is concerned - is dampers and anti roll bars only. Take spring adjustments away. ARB and damper adjustments are easy to understand, and get you 90% of where you need to be as far as setup is concerned. Once they added springs into the equation, my testing took me much longer to find that ideal setup. I LOVE testing, so it was all fun for me, but I can see how the casuals won’t like it.
Or….
Just the ability to copy/paste tunes from the leader board
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Just done a full length practice run for the X2019, here's what I've found for anyone who may not get much time themselves.
The Softs lasted around 9 laps after starting on them, with the left rear hitting 0% at Stavelot and the rear right hitting 0% at the bus stop. If you're going for a 1-stop, the Mediums can take 13 laps with a bit to spare but fuel will then be a concern for those in GT1 with the 22 lap race. Stretching 13 laps out of a full tank will require some fuel saving across the entire stint. The full GT1 race ended up being about 42:20 in total for me.
There may be merit in starting on the Mediums and going 12M/10S. 12 laps should be safe on fuel, but whether the slightly lighter fuel load for the Soft stint will make it possible to squeeze an extra lap out of them, I haven't tested. I'm not sure a 2-stop is worth it going by my lap times, but I could be wrong.
The Softs lasted around 9 laps after starting on them, with the left rear hitting 0% at Stavelot and the rear right hitting 0% at the bus stop. If you're going for a 1-stop, the Mediums can take 13 laps with a bit to spare but fuel will then be a concern for those in GT1 with the 22 lap race. Stretching 13 laps out of a full tank will require some fuel saving across the entire stint. The full GT1 race ended up being about 42:20 in total for me.
There may be merit in starting on the Mediums and going 12M/10S. 12 laps should be safe on fuel, but whether the slightly lighter fuel load for the Soft stint will make it possible to squeeze an extra lap out of them, I haven't tested. I'm not sure a 2-stop is worth it going by my lap times, but I could be wrong.
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I think you’ve missed his point. He’s not talking about driveability of individual cars, he’s saying the problem is that tuning makes the playing field more uneven. So while tuning might make your Gr3 Ferrari 0.5 seconds better, it also makes the Genesis 1 second better.
@Rangeraus is at the very pointy end competing for world finals. These differences impact him and those like him materially. I can absolutely see his point and agree wholeheartedly that if tuning (and by extension a market in tunes) results in driving skill becoming a secondary factor, then that’s a huge problem at the top-end.
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I've had a black screen twice tonight while re-oiling my redbull. Never had that happen with any other car before.
Not a total freeze because I can see the time change, but everything below the top menu bar is black. Reset PS5 and the oil was changed. Did some driving. Happened again.
Not a total freeze because I can see the time change, but everything below the top menu bar is black. Reset PS5 and the oil was changed. Did some driving. Happened again.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the official season just standard BOP cars? I think it’s only been these last 2 exhibition seasons that have allowed light tuning. It wouldn’t surprise me if PD has opened up limited tuning in the daily’s and these last 2 exhibition seasons, in an effort to ‘crowd source’ the tuning for potential BOP tweaks - to see what people are doing on a variety of tracks. Would actually be smart of them to do this in addition to their own in-house testing.
But I do still believe that very little suspension tuning is good, as long as it’s kept to dampers/arb. The minute they add ride height, LSD, more intricate suspension, ballast or downforce tuning…then it becomes waaaaaaay too much
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I have been having that happen lately regardless of vehicle.
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