Gran Turismo World Series (Nations Cup Exhibition Season: Jan 22 - Feb 1)

[ZEE]

So what an eventful race but clammorred with knobby racers that push/shunt to pace so badly it got errigous!

Logged on late to GT7, did some Suzuka laps at like 12:30pm then got ready for the 1pm slot/ B lobby of races.

I took on the challenge of besting my time and did the practice to ge ta decent 1:32 in my free runs.
Then came qualifier and this was pretty intense, came out of the pits and was trailing a french guy and he kept purposefully slowing down to mess up my pace, so i tried my best avoid his shoddy technique, once I got past him the leader of qualifying pitted and was waiting for some reason? I continued and managed to improve my last lap time to get 3rd to start the race.

So far so good!

Onto the race, the start off the grid was smooth, used handbrake technique on start like Tidgney recommended, then we all bashed to the first corner and it was chaos, pushing crashing into the palstic bollards, my car got reset because I got pushed off and the game reset me. I was stuck in 11th and had to push in the first lap to basically hazard avoid on 3rd and 4th cornerto get up to a gap on 8th position.

I keep chasing and pushing hard till lap 7, I had worked up to positon 6th or 5th, then I saw a few ppl pit but I carried on my RS tyres to gain a few positons. The 2nd place guy, a brit called Syeco, pitted on lap 10 and I gained to 2nd palce for couple laps then I pitted on lap 12 to change to RM tires as my pace was getting worse.

Lost a few positions, but I was 6th coming out of the pits, and had to defend bigtime

Not a bad race overall I do love Monza its a good balance of hard and quick corners with these rapid machines. Onto Round 4! Boosted my Dr & Sr so thats good also!




Also this manouver was fun - MAXIMUM ATTACK!!

 

[MIE1992]

Gah! I forgot that there are a couple hours where there aren't any rounds, so I might have to wait until later this evening at 7pm to enter this one. It'll also depend on whether I end up meeting with a friend tonight or not.

EDIT: Q11/P4! Lots of DR A drivers in my lobby, so it seemed like the points were a lot higher for each potential finishing position! Decided to do nine laps on mediums, then switch to softs for the remainder. I held onto P3 for a while, but I saw that this Canadian behind me had the better pace, so He cleanly passed me - on that first chicane, of all places, too!

 

[MIE1992]

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[Moose78]

I ran the first GT1 slot in North America (7 PM EDT). I was in door #13 with 194 points up for grabs. I needed P6 or better to improve my point total.

Qualifying went fine. I waited until everybody had cleared the pits to ensure I would avoid interference from other drivers. This came at the cost of a third hot lap, but two would be enough. I booked a 1:30.992, which put me in Q8.

To avoid the inevitable carnage off the start at T1, I pulled off to the side of the track and let everybody plunge headlong to their deaths. Coming out of the chicane, nine of the sixteen cars had damage. I was happy to avoid that fate.

There was plenty more chaos in lap 1, but I hung back and did my best to stay out of it. I wanted to keep to a 1-stop 9RM-11RS strategy. By the time the lap was over -- with all the crashes and penalties -- I found myself in P6, behind a driver who decided to stay out with a damaged car. I easily caught up and got by them on lap 2.

I had clean air for the rest of my first stint. I picked up a few more positions along the way to cars pitting and crashing. I went into the pits for RS tires at the end of lap 9 in P2. Came out in P6, behind the same driver I passed on lap 2.

We battled for the next few laps. I felt my overall pace was better, but whenever I got by them, they poured on the 'overtake' on the straights and took the spot back. I really didn't want to be fighting, though. It was really slowing us down.

On lap 14, another driver joined the party. They were clearly faster than the two of us and made quick work of getting past us both. Down to P7. Thankfully, they weren't so fast that I lost their slipstream. I managed to leverage the slip to get by the other car on lap 15 to take back P6.

On lap 16, I picked up another spot to driver that went into the sand at the second chicane -- up to P5 -- but it didn't last. They clearly had much better pace. They caught and passed me on lap 18. Back to P6.

And that's where I finished. P6 for 154 points and a small DR improvement. I'll take it.

I really enjoyed this round. Outside of the lap 1 chaos -- which I happily avoided -- the racing was clean and fun. I had a great time.

 

[afc5150]

GT1 slot 2 North America 177 point lobby.

If only I could qualify better, my races might be a little less stressful. Although in this one the winner was still 23 seconds up the road.

Q10 to P2. Did a 12M, 8S run. Was up to 6th after the first chicane on lap one, avoiding a bit of melee. Had good pace and an error free run from there while a couple guys ahead incurred damage during the race and I eventually caught and passed them.

Finished comfortably ahead of 3rd by 7 seconds, for a nice 171 points and a good boost of DR.

Love the SF cars, love Monza (especially on GP weekend). The new handling is tough to get used to, still. My DD Pro didn't seem to like the latest update with these cars.

 

[GTWolverine]

Slot 1: Qualified 7th, then promptly out-braked myself into T1 and picked up front-end damage as a result. Fortunately the car I hit didn't get any damage. Had to do a 2-stop 1M/9S/10S as a result and somehow climbed back up to 5th for 267 points. I knew I could've done much better if I'd just gotten through the first chicane cleanly, so I went again...

Slot 2: Qualified 2nd and thanks to the pinball physics, someone from near the back of the grid managed to somehow punt another car into me, then me into another car. Front and rear aero damage dropped me to the back before I could even pit. Did the same strategy as Slot 1, but this time picked up damage again because people forgot where the brake pedal is, so I had to pit for a 3rd time. Finished 9th for 208 points.

Slot 3: Qualified 4th, but decided to drop back anticipating more carnage at T1, but THIS TIME everyone decides to play nice...no spots gained on Lap 1, so I decided I had nothing to lose and tried a 2-stop again. Very few people crashed (because of course not), so I barely made any progress before crashing myself at Ascari on Lap 12 and promptly quitting.

I just completely pissed away a great season result (after being 3rd in the standings after Rd.1), because I doubt I'm going to even get similar points to the first slot in the final round.

 

[tyoungbl]

Top split A+ NA lobby, last race of the night. Disconnected lap 3 p5 and setting good pace to boot. Last week same thing happened. I've been racing daily and in several league races even earlier today with no issues.

So frustrating. Time spent practicing down the drain. DR loss to boot.

 

[tankuroded]

Next round PSA:

• Custom slipstream is enabled.
• Required Tire Type Change rule is back for this round.

 

[MCL1974]

Next round PSA:

• Custom slipstream is enabled.
• Required Tire Type Change rule is back for this round.

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so that means that we have to use each tire compound in the race? And what does it mean of the slipstream strenght is "custom"?

 

[tankuroded]

so that means that we have to use each tire compound in the race?

From how it worked in round 1, you only need to use at least two compounds.

 

[Moose78]

Next round PSA:

• Custom slipstream is enabled.
• Required Tire Type Change rule is back for this round.

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Also, despite what it says on the website, damage in GT1 is HEAVY, as usual.

I've been spending the morning trying out different cars in Free Practice. The BMW M6 -- Sprint and Endurance -- are dominating the ranking boards. Of the cars I've tried, it is definitely among the top in terms of lap times. I've found that the Lexus and AMG '20 cars are similar in pace. Other cars I've tried were the Citreon, Mazda, Suzuki, and Toyota (old GT500). None of them were anywhere close to my best times.

My best time right now is in the AMG, with a 1:45.8 (I think). It was also the last one I tried, so it probably benefited from be getting better at driving the track. Regardless, it isn't great. I'm feeling like I'm going to have to improve my pace considerably if I want to be competitive on Saturday.

 

[GTWolverine]

so that means that we have to use each tire compound in the race? And what does it mean of the slipstream strenght is "custom"?

Custom slipstream in races that aren't at SSRX typically just means realistic strength, but with no dirty air effect. It was the same yesterday as well.

 

[MIE1992]

What do suppose the ideal strategy will be for this last round at Watkins Glen? I’m thinking of using a combination of mediums and softs, especially since the tire wear is the same as the recent round at Monza.

I’ll likely do what I did last time, where I’ll pick between the mediums and softs depending on whether I qualify towards the front or the rear. But that said, there doesn’t seem to be a requirement to use more than one compound. Maybe I could just use softs for the whole thing? I mean, I may as well if I was planning to pit anyway.

 

[Moose78]

But that said, there doesn’t seem to be a requirement to use more than one compound.

There is. See @tankuroded's post from earlier. 'Required Tire Type Change' is set to 'On', which means you need to use at least two of the allowed compounds.

 

[MIE1992]

There is. See @tankuroded's post from earlier. 'Required Tire Type Change' is set to 'On', which means you need to use at least two of the allowed compounds.

Ah, sounds good. In which case, I think doing something like 9 laps on mediums then the remaining 11 of softs should work, right?

 

[Moose78]

Ah, sounds good. In which case, I think doing something like 9 laps on mediums then the remaining 11 of softs should work, right?

That would satisfy the requirements. I have no idea if the softs will actually last that long, though.

 

[MIE1992]

That would satisfy the requirements. I have no idea if the softs will actually last that long, though.

Then maybe I’ll just wait to see what other post ITT from their experiences, first.

 

[Moose78]

My short list of cars for this race is:

1. AMG '20
2. BMW M6 Sprint Model
3. Genesis X
4. Lexus RC F
5. Toyota Supra

In terms of raw pace, the Toyota had the best lap in Free Practice. The big question for me is how the tires hold up in each of the cars. I'm planning to test each of these in a full length race to see how they compare.

I've only done one test race so far, on the Genesis. If that car is at all representative, then running an RS-RM combo could be pretty tight in some cars. The softs only lasted 7 laps in that car with 10% tread left when I pitted. And after 13 laps on the RMs to finish the race, the front left tire was down to 25%.

I'll post detailed results once I've gone through all the cars. Thankfully, tomorrow is a holiday here in Canada, so I'm hoping to have something to share sometime tomorrow.

 

[Talon16]

I did some TT laps in the Supra, and after about five did a 43.49. Jumped in the BMW and first lap out did a 43.48; then a couple laps later was in the 43.2s. I can see why the BMW is showing up a lot on the top car lists.

Then for shrimps and giggles, I jumped in the Mustang as I like that car: 44.3. Man PD killed that thing. I also want to try the Genny as I've been getting along with that car at RBR.

Sad fact of the matter is, I don't think I am going to have time to do any of these on Saturday. Just too much going on, which is a bummer as this was the only round of Nations I really wanted to do. We shall see if anything changes between now and then...

 

[Interemptor]

My short list of cars for this race is:

1. AMG '20
2. BMW M6 Sprint Model
3. Genesis X
4. Lexus RC F
5. Toyota Supra

So it will be the AMG or M6 for me in my only NC race 😅 Probably will go with the M6 because I usually do well in it and it drives a bit better (for me at least)

Hopefully the next MC and NC will be better and, above all, longer.

 

[MCL1974]

My short list of cars for this race is:

1. AMG '20
2. BMW M6 Sprint Model
3. Genesis X
4. Lexus RC F
5. Toyota Supra

In terms of raw pace, the Toyota had the best lap in Free Practice. The big question for me is how the tires hold up in each of the cars. I'm planning to test each of these in a full length race to see how they compare.

I've only done one test race so far, on the Genesis. If that car is at all representative, then running an RS-RM combo could be pretty tight in some cars. The softs only lasted 7 laps in that car with 10% tread left when I pitted. And after 13 laps on the RMs to finish the race, the front left tire was down to 25%.

I'll post detailed results once I've gone through all the cars. Thankfully, tomorrow is a holiday here in Canada, so I'm hoping to have something to share sometime tomorrow.

tested 3 cars, and they are pretty even. although personally the Genesis feels the smoothest to drive.

race simulation has about the same results as your test. Soft tyres last about 7 laps.

 

[Talon16]

Did some more hot laps, five laps per car:

-The Genesis is not for me here. Best I could managed was a 44.0.

-GT-R might be a dark horse here. 43.6 so still a chunk off the BMW (for me) but if I recall, it is very good on tires. At least it used to be, I've lose track post 1.49.

-Ford GT 18 was also a pleasant drive. 43.9 so not amazing pace, but it was very planted through the bus stop and thru that tricky uphill right hander. Not so sure about running an MR car when tire wear will be a big factor; however, I remember the GT 18 being pretty good on tires for an MR (ie, like the McLaren and not like the Ferrari/Audi/Lambo).

 

[Moose78]

I've gone through my short list of cars in full-length custom races with tire wear and fuel consumption. For all of them, I started on RS tires and drove until I felt I couldn't do another lap. Then I ran the rest of the race out on RMs. For most of the cars that was 7 laps on RSs and 13 on RMs. For the Lexus and Toyota, it was only 6 laps -- though I misjudged the Toyota and got caught out on the seventh lap with a spent tire.

Anyways, here are the overall numbers (by best total time, details in this spreadsheet):

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Avg dev	Total time
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	1:46.044	1:46.625	1:48.938	0:02.137	36:18.759
Lexus	RC F GT3 '17	6RS-14RM	1:46.040	1:46.631	1:49.134	0:02.277	36:22.688
Genesis	Genesis X GR3	7RS-13RM	1:45.890	1:45.890	1:49.276	0:02.177	36:25.526
AMG	Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20	7RS-13RM	1:46.959	1:47.542	1:49.582	0:02.136	36:31.632
Toyota	GR Supra Racing Concept '18	7RS-13RM	1:46.291	1:46.963	1:49.821	0:02.395	36:36.428

Tire tread at pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	15.00%	35.00%	35.00%	45.00%
Lexus	RC F GT3 '17	6RS-14RM	15.00%	35.00%	50.00%	55.00%
Genesis	Genesis X GR3	7RS-13RM	10.00%	30.00%	35.00%	50.00%
AMG	Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20	7RS-13RM	20.00%	30.00%	30.00%	40.00%
Toyota	GR Supra Racing Concept '18	7RS-13RM	0.00%	25.00%	40.00%	50.00%

Tire tread a finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	20.00%	35.00%	40.00%	50.00%
Lexus	RC F GT3 '17	6RS-14RM	10.00%	25.00%	40.00%	50.00%
Genesis	Genesis X GR3	7RS-13RM	25.00%	35.00%	40.00%	50.00%
AMG	Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20	7RS-13RM	25.00%	35.00%	35.00%	45.00%
Toyota	GR Supra Racing Concept '18	7RS-13RM	20.00%	35.00%	45.00%	55.00%

The BMW had the best total time. It has great pace and seemed to be least affected by tire wear on its RM stint. I feel like this is the car for me.

For the Lexus, I had a great stint on softs -- fast and consistent lap times -- but it only lasted 6 laps. Performance really fell off for the RMs in the second stint.

The Genesis had some fast laps, but I struggled with consistency. I found it had a tendency to unpredictably understeer off. It was my least favourite of the cars to drive.

I couldn't get the AMG or Toyota to go. I don't know if was fuel weight or what. The Toyota obviously had a problem when I stayed out on softs too long and blew the tire, but even ignoring that, it wasn't doing well.

Going in, I assumed an RS-RM strategy would be the optimal one, but now I'm not so sure. The performance drops off so soon on the softs. I'm wondering if an RM-RH might turn out to be faster overall. I'll have to do some more tests.

 

[Zorz]

Going in, I assumed an RS-RM strategy would be the optimal one, but now I'm not so sure. The performance drops off so soon on the softs. I'm wondering if an RM-RH might turn out to be faster overall. I'll have to do some more tests.

Just tried the Hards myself after having the exact same train of thought and it came out slower.

I'm using the 2018 Nissan and did 35:58 going 7S/13M, then 36:08 going 10H/10M. I caught the AI in an awkward place after the pit stop on the Hards run and lost a bit of time there, but not 10 seconds worth.

The Hards feel nicer because you actually get to have consistent lap times for a while instead of suffering the massive drop off at the end of each stint running the Softs and Mediums. I can't see it being faster though unless the tyre degradation is so high you completely off a set of Softs and Mediums before the end.

 

[Talon16]

I did a couple mock races myself, one with the 18 GTR and one with the Ford GT 18. I think we all know the M6 is going to be good, so need to see what else may be competitive.

I don't know how you're all getting seven laps on the RS in the Nissan, but my LF died half way through lap six. I put RMs on at the end of six and the LF died at the end of lap 19. Those couple laps were brutal. My best lap was a 45.0 and the overall time was a 36:03.

I then tried the Ford GT 18. Although my fastest lap was a 45.4 I was able to get seven laps out of the RS with some white within the LF to spare. Pit on lap seven, got RMs; at the end of 20 laps there was quite a bit of tire life left in the LF. Even though my fastest lap was .400" slower my overall time was ~11 seconds better at a 35:52.

Now in the Ford I didn't push the tires into the red like I did the Nissan because, well, I didn't think I needed to. 11 seconds pace due to better tire wear is substantial.

 

[stpatty]

What time of day/weather are you all using when you do custom races?

 

[Talon16]

What time of day/weather are you all using when you do custom races?

S03, sunset.

GT ENG!NE / GT7 / Race Info

Gran Turismo 7 Database website

gt-engine.com

 

[stpatty]

S03, sunset.

GT ENG!NE / GT7 / Race Info

Gran Turismo 7 Database website

gt-engine.com

Thank you! As ever very helpful that this information is so clearly available.

 

[Zorz]

Speaking of time of day, I hadn't actually changed mine when I did my custom races. Those were both on Afternoon...

Just done another at Sunset going 13M/7S (so same as the first attempt but with reversed stints) and somehow improved 11 seconds to a 35:47. Kind of wondering if I was just that much more consistent, or if the combination of changing conditions and using the Mediums first made a difference...

 

[Moose78]

Here's how things are looking from my strategy tests (ordered by total time, full data in this spreadsheet):

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Avg deviation	Total time
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	14RM-6RS	1:45.806	1:45.896	1:48.540	0:02.144	36:10.792
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	1:46.044	1:46.625	1:48.938	0:02.137	36:18.759
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	13RM-7RS	1:46.186	1:46.431	1:48.967	0:02.056	36:19.349
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	10RH-10RM	1:46.325	1:46.662	1:49.023	0:02.191	36:20.453
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	8RM-6RS-6RS	1:45.455	1:46.161	1:49.295	0:03.836	36:25.890

Lap times:

Tread levels at first pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	14RM-6RS	15.00%	25.00%	30.00%	50.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	15.00%	35.00%	35.00%	45.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	13RM-7RS	20.00%	30.00%	35.00%	50.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	10RH-10RM	55.00%	60.00%	65.00%	70.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	8RM-6RS-6RS	55.00%	60.00%	60.00%	70.00%

Tread levels at second pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	8RM-6RS-6RS	30.00%	40.00%	45.00%	55.00%

Tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	14RM-6RS	30.00%	40.00%	40.00%	55.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	7RS-13RM	20.00%	35.00%	40.00%	50.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	13RM-7RS	20.00%	35.00%	35.00%	45.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Sprint Model '16	10RH-10RM	40.00%	50.00%	50.00%	60.00%
BMW	M6 GT3 Endurance Model '16	8RM-6RS-6RS	25.00%	35.00%	40.00%	60.00%

Comments/observations:

• I switched from the Sprint model to the Endurance one after finding that it was faster for me. I didn't really expect it to make that much of a difference, but it ended up being 8 seconds between the 14RM-6RS (Endurance) and 7RS-13RM (Sprint), which much more than I expected. This, of course, means that we aren't really comparing apples to apples any more. My apologies to science.
• It's looking like a one-stop RS-RM strategy wins over both the RM-RH and the two-stop RM-RS-RS strategy, at least for me.
• I'm feeling like I'm on the slow end of the spectrum on this combo. I expect that's probably helping my tires last longer than they would if I was able to get around the track faster.
• If memory serves, I was using a time/weather setting of Sunset, S08 (equal conditions mode), but I'm not at the console at the moment, so can't check. I'll post a correction later if turns out to be different. [Edit: No correction necessary. Those are the settings.]