GT or GT40

[ExigeEvan]

Split from the "Did you see anything good today" thread.

Isn't that abit odd having a replica GT40 and putting Ford GT down the side?

I was under the opinion that that was only used on the new Ford GT for name liscensing reasons.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Isn't that abit odd having a replica GT40 and putting Ford GT down the side?

I was under the opinion that that was only used on the new Ford GT for name liscensing reasons.

not really.
the gt40 was never its real name it was always called the gt.

 

[1X83Z]

not really.
the gt40 was never its real name it was always called the gt.

GT40 was its real name - so named due to being 40 inches in height. Don't know where you came up with that.

To my knowledge the new one wasn't renamed GT40 for several reasons. One, because it's about 44 inches high and two, because it's a mouthful to say, and GT was notably simpler. I agree with ExigeExcel's opinion, particularly since 'real' GT40s, like that one is trying to imitate, would say 'GT40' and not 'GT'.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

GT40 was its real name - so named due to being 40 inches in height. Don't know where you came up with that.

no it was called the ford gt it was nicknamed the gt40 because of its height

The car was named the GT after the Grand Tourisme category where it was intended to compete; the 40 represents its overall height of 40 inches (1.02 m, measured at the windshield) as required by the rules. Large-capacity Ford V8 engines (4.7 L and 7 L) were used, compared with the Ferrari V12 which displaced 3.0 L or 4.0 L.

Early cars were simply named "Ford GT". The name "GT40" was the name of Ford's project to prepare the cars for the international endurance racing circuit, and the quest to win the 24 Hours of LeMans.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I don't understand - the article you quote directly contradicts your point.

and you missed?

Early cars were simply named "Ford GT". The name "GT40" was the name of Ford's project to prepare the cars for the international endurance racing circuit, and the quest to win the 24 Hours of LeMans.

 

[1X83Z]

and you missed?

But you said later cars were 'nicknamed' GT40. Seems the next sentence says the name was pretty official. Also how early were those early cars? Pre-production? Every one I've ever seen (one. But pictures, too) has said 'GT40' on the side.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

But you said later cars were 'nicknamed' GT40. Seems the next sentence says the name was pretty official. Also how early were those early cars? Pre-production? Every one I've ever seen (one. But pictures, too) has said 'GT40' on the side.

the sales brochure from the 60's

THE BESPOKE CAR. The thing to keep in mind is that the Ford GT40 is something very, very special in the way of cars. So special, in fact, that you need to be measured for it, just as a tailor measures you for a bespoke suit. If you absolutely insist, of course, you can have one off the peg, but it would be rather like ordering something from Savile Row through a mail-order catalogue.

Far wiser and better to do the thing properly, and go along for a personal fitting. After all, when you are buying one of the sleekest, swiftest, most powerful machines ever to come onto the market, you want to be sure - and Ford wants to be sure - that it's tailored exactly right. Only a personal visit can guarantee this.

Unless you have just dropped in from the far side of the moon, it will be unnecessary to point out that this is the car which created a sensation when it came in 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the 1966 Le Mans 24 Hour Race.

Naturally, the 'domestic' version has had to be de-tuned, because the Le Mans machine was race-bred, and would be altogether too formidable for anywhere outside a race circuit.

Special exhaust silencers have been developed, and softer brake linings incorporated. There has also been a 25 per cent reduction of the shock absorbers' stiffness.

But the overall performance figures still speak volumes. Output is a very smooth 335 bhp at 6250 rpm, which gives a top speed of 164 mph and maximum gear speeds of:

1st..........58 mph 2nd ..........90mph
3rd..........127 mph 4th..........142 mph

Top..........164 mph

SPACE-AGE LINES. Externally, the road version of the GT looks little different from its Le Mans sister. It is just 40 inches high, and driver and passenger sit in a semi-reclining position, following modern practice in all racing and the best Grand Touring cars.

Headlights are enclosed within the bodywork, and perspex covers retain the sleek, space-age lines.

Inside, nothing has been spared in the way of comfort and convenience for driver and passenger. Standard upholstery is black, and the floor and door sills are covered with deep carpet and thick underlay.

As one would expect with such a power unit, there is a comprehensive range of instruments, all angled towards the driver's eye. There is also a special windscreen wiper which was developed to operate at speeds of up to 200 mph on the racing GT.

Aeroflow, the unique Ford ventilation system is standard equipment, as is a thermostatically controlled radiator fan, a heater/demister and an engine compartment light.

PERSONAL CHOICE. When you go for your personal fitting, among other things the engineers will discuss with you will be the rear axle ratios and the gear ratios. You can choose your own from a wide range.

And the body colour? With 150 to choose from, you should be able to find what you want.

The tyres are specially made by Goodyear and incorporate all the lessons this famous company has learned in its highly successful racing programme.

There are two aircraft-patterned fuel cells with a combined capacity of 31 gallons. Fuel is delivered to the carburettors by a heavy-duty Stewart-Warner electric pump.

A special two-plate clutch and flywheel complete the transformation from a truly formidable track champion to a smooth, luxurious road car which is equally at home in city streets or on high-speed motorways.

1 reference to it being called the GT40 and 2 referencing it to being called the GT

 

[1X83Z]

1 reference to it being called the GT40 and 2 referencing it to being called the GT

Well I mean Chevrolet has a lot of ads wherein they refer to the products as 'Chevy' but that doesn't mean the official name of the vehicle is anything but Chevrolet.

 

[daan]

It seems to have originally been called the GT, but the chassis numbers of the production ones were "GT40/????".

It had no badges to say either way.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The Ford GT was the prototypes that were built early on. Ask any real GT40 owner and they'll tell when the car was released, Ford released it as the GT40.

and the steering wheels on them said FORD GT because?

 

[ExigeEvan]

Well of course you need to be able to read it without a microscope

 

[1X83Z]

and the steering wheels on them said FORD GT because?

Dude, you're wrong. Go to Wiki and type in 'Ford GT.' The new one comes up. And then the italicized portion on the top says "This page refers to the concept and production cars of 2002 and later; for the mid-1960s race car, see Ford GT40."

When you click on GT40 you get the entire explanation (a PORTION of which you quoted earlier, misrepresenting the text):

The first 12 "prototype" vehicles carried serial numbers GT-101 through GT-112. The "production" began and the subsequent cars, the MkI, MkIIs, MkIIIs, and MkVs, numbered GT40-P-1000 through GT40-P-1145, were officially "GT40s". The name of Ford's project, and the serial numbers dispel the story that "GT40" was "only a nickname."

It's okay to be wrong, you know. Just ask me. Or 6-series owners.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Dude, you're wrong. Go to Wiki and type in 'Ford GT.' The new one comes up. And then the italicized portion on the top says "This page refers to the concept and production cars of 2002 and later; for the mid-1960s race car, see Ford GT40."

When you click on GT40 you get the entire explanation (a PORTION of which you quoted earlier, misrepresenting the text):

The first 12 "prototype" vehicles carried serial numbers GT-101 through GT-112. The "production" began and the subsequent cars, the MkI, MkIIs, MkIIIs, and MkVs, numbered GT40-P-1000 through GT40-P-1145, were officially "GT40s". The name of Ford's project, and the serial numbers dispel the story that "GT40" was "only a nickname."

It's okay to be wrong, you know. Just ask me. Or 6-series owners.

so considering the ONLY badge ever on the FORD GT "gt40" was on the steering wheel and said FORD GT means it was never called that? maybe you should take your on advice and admit its ok to be wrong?

obviously if someone was looking for the sixties gt they would look up gt40 as thats what it became cultly known as.

 

[McLaren]

Dude, you're wrong. Go to Wiki and type in 'Ford GT.' The new one comes up. And then the italicized portion on the top says "This page refers to the concept and production cars of 2002 and later; for the mid-1960s race car, see Ford GT40."

When you click on GT40 you get the entire explanation (a PORTION of which you quoted earlier, misrepresenting the text):

The first 12 "prototype" vehicles carried serial numbers GT-101 through GT-112. The "production" began and the subsequent cars, the MkI, MkIIs, MkIIIs, and MkVs, numbered GT40-P-1000 through GT40-P-1145, were officially "GT40s". The name of Ford's project, and the serial numbers dispel the story that "GT40" was "only a nickname."

It's okay to be wrong, you know. Just ask me. Or 6-series owners.

Which is what I said. Only the Prototypes were GTs.

so considering the ONLY badge ever on the FORD GT "gt40" was on the steering wheel and said FORD GT means it was never called that? maybe you should take your on advice and admit its ok to be wrong?

So, b/c it says Ford GT on the wheel, that proves your point? Did you stop to think that Ford GT40 would look a little small?

 

[1X83Z]

so considering the ONLY badge ever on the FORD GT "gt40" was on the steering wheel and said FORD GT means it was never called that? maybe you should take your on advice and admit its ok to be wrong?

This is hilarious. Not sure how much more proof you need there buddy!

Which is what I said. Only the Prototypes were GTs.

Yep! 👍

 

[McLaren]

If it's the GT, then why are the chassis numbers as such?
(GT 40 P 1000 to GT 40 P 1086 and GT 40 P 1108 to 1114)

Only the first 11 prototypes were called GTs.
(GT 101 to GT 112)

Why would Ford go through the trouble of changing the chassis codes from GT 1** to GT 40 P(Production) 1***? I would assume that's more proof Ford recognizes the car as the GT40 than GT rather than looking at the badge which, coincidently, descends from the first 11 chassis' ever built.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Which is what I said. Only the Prototypes were GTs.

but did you research the press releases where they also say it is the GT more than GT40.

what does chassis numbers have to do with model name? nothing really like daan said there is no model badge on the "gt40" if you are so sure why not email FORD UK and ask them if you are so sure.the only even remote badge on the "gt40" said ford gt,several adverts at the time and press releases at the time also say it is the GT along with gt,shame the dlva dont seem to keep the records though

Make
FORD
Year of manufacture
1966
Model


Engine size(CC)
4727



Make
FORD
Year of manufacture
1966
Model

Engine size(CC)
4700

Make
FORD
Year of manufacture
1969
Model

Engine size(CC)
4736

 

[Blackbird.]

1965 Ford GT40, see how it says GT40 on the side?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

1965 Ford GT40, see how it says GT40 on the side?

try again

A "Roaring Forties" replica of a 1965 Ford GT40 in Shelby livery on display at the 2005 United States Grand Prix

 

[Blackbird.]

Replicating it's true name.

 

[Danny]

Over here, I think someone else owns the rights to "GT40" so we make do with "GT".

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Which is what I said. Only the Prototypes were GTs.

so why does it say the racers were called gt's too

The Ford GT was first raced in May 1964 at the Nürburgring 1000 km race and later at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, and was not very successful with all three cars retiring. The experience gained then and in 1965 allowed the Mk II to dominate the race in 1966 with a 1-2-3 finish. New Zealand drivers Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon drove the winning Ford GT. Ken Miles was leading at the end of the race when the Ford team, desiring a publicity photo of the three GT40s crossing the finish line together, ordered him to slow down until he was only leading the second place car, driven by McLaren and Amon, by half a car length at the checkered flag. Unknown to Ford, however, the scoring system at Le Mans takes into account the differing distances covered by the cars due to differing positions on the starting grid, and so the McLaren-Amon car, having started further back, became the official winner. Miles was thus denied his deserved unique achievement of winning Sebring, Daytona, and Le Mans in the same year, the last before his death.

again 2 - 1

 

[McLaren]

You do realize the source your quoting is also contradicting everything you say.

Early cars were simply named "Ford GT". The name "GT40" was the name of Ford's project to prepare the cars for the international endurance racing circuit, and the quest to win the 24 Hours of LeMans. The first 12 "prototype" vehicles carried serial numbers GT-101 through GT-112. The "production" began and the subsequent cars, the MkI, MkIIs, MkIIIs, and MkVs, numbered GT40-P-1000 through GT40-P-1145, were officially "GT40s". The name of Ford's project, and the serial numbers dispel the story that "GT40" was "only a nickname."
The contemporary Ford GT is a modern homage to the GT40.

So, I ask again why would Ford go through the trouble of changing the chassis codes of the first 11 from GT to GT 40 P?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

You do realize the source your quoting is also contradicting everything you say.


So, I ask again why would Ford go through the trouble of changing the chassis codes of the first 11 from GT to GT 40 P?

why are you talking about chassis names when im talking about model names?

every m3/m5/gtc etc doesnt have m5*** in the chassis number does it.

 

[McLaren]

why are you talking about chassis names when im talking about model names?

every m3/m5/gtc etc doesnt have m5*** in the chassis number does it.

Because the chassis codes are more proof than a steering wheel?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Because the chassis codes are more proof than a steering wheel?

chassis codes arent model names which is clearly what ive been talking about.

 

[McLaren]

chassis codes arent model names which is clearly what ive been talking about.

Then EXPLAIN to me why Ford changed them. Why would a company change the codes from GT 1xx to GT 40 P 1xxx?

I think that's a pretty clear indication that Ford was going to call it the GT40.
And so what if BMW codes don't include model names? Does that suddenly mean chassis codes mean nothing? No.

Just like McLaren decided to give F1 LMs the chassis code, LMx, or the F1 GT, xxF1GT, I don't think it's an accident Ford named the GT40 codes GT 40 P.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Then EXPLAIN to me why Ford changed them. Why would a company change the codes from GT 1xx to GT 40 P 1xxx?

obviously your not reading what im saying and for the 3rd time im not talking about chassis numbers im talking about model names if you wanna know email ford uk and ask them.

 

[McLaren]

obviously your not reading what im saying and for the 3rd time im not talking about chassis numbers im talking about model names if you wanna know email ford uk and ask them.

The chassis code REFERS to the model name. Are you really going to be that ignorant and assume the Ford GT40's chassis codes have nothing to do with the model?

I guess none of these codes below were given because of the model name either,huh?

Porsche 911 GT1:
Chassis Code - GT1-xxx

Porsche 911 GT1/98:
Chassis Code - GT1/98 -00x

DeTomaso Pantera GR4/GT4 Tipo 874 A:
Chassis Code - 2xxx - GT4
Chassis Code - 2xxx - GR4

Aston Martin DB3:
Chassis Code - DB3/x

Aston Martin DB3S:
Chassis Code - DB3S/x

Aston Martin DBR1:
Chassis Code - DBR1/x

Porsche 917:
Chassis Codes - 917 - xxx

Porsche 908:
Chassis Codes - 908 - xxx

I guess it's just a gigantic coincidence that the chassis codes amazingly share name with the model.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The chassis code REFERS to the model name. Are you really going to be that ignorant and assume the Ford GT40's chassis codes have nothing to do with the model?

being ignorant how? you have been to me showing that press releases and adverts at the time refering it as the Ford GT,my research over the years have also said that the name of the model is the ford gt and the gt40 being the nickname and several years ago a tv programme called dream machine did the history of the "gt40" which included owners,enthusiast,people who maintain the orginals and people which worked on the project who all called it the ford gt and that the gt40 was the nickname as it was 40 inchs high.but then again they must be lieing to me it is the ford gt it always has been and always will be if you dont like it thats your problem not mine.