GT5 Photomode Competition: "The Judges' League"

[Raphaele]

I don't know if there were previous entries covering this subject. Please give me a hint...
Just an idea – I would like to know how you guys feel about that subject.
Anyone who ever won a competion like PMC, PMC 2.0, PMC-PS or PMC CCCL – and therefore was appointed to judge – is allowed and welcome to participation. Noobies may feel like "I won't ever match that..." and pros may feel like "no problem" – it might be interesting. What do you think? I think that a comp like this would challenge real skills – in a way never happened before...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

A Winners Only League - sort of event?

I personally think it could be pretty fun, now that we've had a few months to grow the potential group to a sizable number 👍

Since this is about the idea and not the actual competition yet, how's about I move it into the Discussion thread?

 

[dennisp83]

Great idea !!! Looking forward to it

 

[Raphaele]

Go ahead. Being a new member, I do appreciate any suggestions for improvement by any professional member...

 

[Raphaele]

I would like to call it:
The GT5 League of Judges

Entrants have to prove their competence by posting their last win in any GT5 Photomode Comp – no matter what the specific task was.

 

[strngz0731]

Ironically, I've been mulling around the idea of a competition with the exact opposite premise.

I'd call it:
GT Planet Photomode Idol

It would be open only to those who have not won any sort of competition.
(Or, it could be narrowed down further still, and be open to only those who have not even made it into a competition poll...)

Inspired by my own lack of success, I think it would be great to give some "up-and-comer" their first win, and maybe even a little exposure - on hopefully a more level playing field by not having to try and match up against the talented veterans here.

Thoughts?

 

[Nicknamealguem]

The League of Judges seems like a good idea but I'm not sure I understand it correctly. Care to give us more info Raphaele?

 

[aidan8500]

count me in

 

[HagbardCeline23]

Ironically, I've been mulling around the idea of a competition with the exact opposite premise.

I'd call it:
GT Planet Photomode Idol

It would be open only to those who have not won any sort of competition.
(Or, it could be narrowed down further still, and be open to only those who have not even made it into a competition poll...)

Inspired by my own lack of success, I think it would be great to give some "up-and-comer" their first win, and maybe even a little exposure - on hopefully a more level playing field by not having to try and match up against the talented veterans here.

Thoughts?

Personally I think that's an excellent idea, would be nice for us n00b's to get a shot 👍

Would be even better if we could organise an x-factor style audition phase, with some of the photomods acting as the judges lol

 

[strngz0731]

Personally I think that's an excellent idea, would be nice for us n00b's to get a shot 👍

Would be even better if we could organise an x-factor style audition phase, with some of the photomods acting as the judges lol

Yeah, something like that would be awesome!
As a big 'ol noob myself, contestants would surely be better served being judged by someone with experience (and success) under their belt...

Taking that a step further, how awesome would it be if we could (like they've started doing on "American Idol") have seasoned veterans serve as mentors?

(Not like I should be donating the experience - and more importantly the time - of the best folks for the task, it's just a little idea I've had...)

 

[HagbardCeline23]

^ I don't know why, but I could totaly see slip acting as a simon cowell type judge/mentor

 

[Raphaele]

The League of Judges seems like a good idea but I'm not sure I understand it correctly. Care to give us more info Raphaele?

Well, in this "Judges PMC" we'd have only entrants who ever succeeded in a competition and therefore may be called "judges". We'll have great entries in a limited number – what those of us may like who never ever made a poll due to the active competition of proven winners. In my opinion this might challenge any "judge" to push himself more than in PMC or 2.0... and to neglect the "standard comps".
A "noob" may profit by this "absence of the champs" and may gain his/her first poll, his/her very first win in a PMC. Having bagged additional first wins the number of judges might be increase in a short(er) time. Nowadays we experience again and again the same names of PMC winners – myself not excluded. I would like to see new winners from time to time...

I also love the idea of
GT Planet Photomode Idol

A comp with entrants only who never won a comp before is an idea which might bring out a similar achievement. What do you guys think?

 

[bmxmitch]

Both should be done!

I really like the ideas of separating comps like this. We just need someone to host this

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Well, in this "Judges PMC" we'd have only entrants who ever succeeded in a competition and therefore may be called "judges". We'll have great entries in a limited number – what those of us may like who never ever made a poll due to the active competition of proven winners. In my opinion this might challenge any "judge" to push himself more than in PMC or 2.0... and to neglect the "standard comps".
A "noob" may profit by this "absence of the champs" and may gain his/her first poll, his/her very first win in a PMC. Having bagged additional first wins the number of judges might be increase in a short(er) time. Nowadays we experience again and again the same names of PMC winners – myself not excluded. I would like to see new winners from time to time...

I also love the idea of
GT Planet Photomode Idol

A comp with entrants only who never won a comp before is an idea which might bring out a similar achievement. What do you guys think?

Seems odd though to try and minimize winners based on skill, but rather on trying to lure the veterans away from the main competitions. I see the same names pop up more than once because they just produce better images. I'd rather win a competition by besting other people, not by just removing those that are better than me.

Sorry, but I get a weird feeling from an aim to have people "neglect" the main comps

It sounds, at least to me, like some people just want to say they've won, no matter how that win is obtained, which seems a bit much. Again, my opinion only...

 

[bmxmitch]

Sorry, but I get a weird feeling from an aim to have people "neglect" the main comps
.

Thats a good point, but we still have the other competitions,so I think that should be fine. Maybe just to much competitions? 2.0, PMC, CCCL, etc...

But for some members it surely is nice to know, hey, in that competition there is no moglet, TangledWeb, Slipz, etc

 

[Raphaele]

Seems odd though to try and minimize winners based on skill, but rather on trying to lure the veterans away from the main competitions. I see the same names pop up more than once because they just produce better images. I'd rather win a competition by besting other people, not by just removing those that are better than me.

Sorry, but I get a weird feeling from an aim to have people "neglect" the main comps

It sounds, at least to me, like some people just want to say they've won, no matter how that win is obtained, which seems a bit much. Again, my opinion only...

I see where you're coming from. That's okay for me. Just have a feeling for those who feel like having not a chance at all...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Thats a good point, but we still have the other competitions,so I think that should be fine. Maybe just to much competitions? 2.0, PMC, CCCL, etc...

But for some members it surely is nice to know, hey, in that competition there is no moglet, TangledWeb, Slipz, etc

And we'd be adding more...

(and I haven't won a comp yet, so I'd definitely still be around )

I see where you're coming from. That's okay for me. Just have a feeling for those who feel like having not a chance at all...

I understand that point of view, I do, since it took me quite a while to grab my first win in comps, but there's a simple fact each week - the majority of entries aren't going to win . Actually, my first win was by knocking out Franz, which was pretty huge for me, more so than if he would've been out of contention on account of winning before. Then again, like you said, for some people, they just feel differently .

I would just hope, if a Judge's League comp does make it to fruition, that it doesn't draw people away from the main comps, as splintering the community into sub-sub-sub-divisions will reduce competition, which is, well, the name of the game!

 

[bmxmitch]

(and I haven't won a comp yet, so I'd definitely still be around )

whaat, cant believe that!

...since it took me quite a while to grab my first win in comps.... Actually, my first win was by knocking out Franz, which was pretty huge for me, more so than if he would've been out of contention on account of winning before.

I would say you HAVE to be in the "judges" league. You wont get away that easy, haha

 

[Raphaele]

And we'd be adding more...

(and I haven't won a comp yet, so I'd definitely still be around )



I understand that point of view, I do, since it took me quite a while to grab my first win in comps, but there's a simple fact each week - the majority of entries aren't going to win . Actually, my first win was by knocking out Franz, which was pretty huge for me, more so than if he would've been out of contention on account of winning before. Then again, like you said, for some people, they just feel differently .

I would just hope, if a Judge's League comp does make it to fruition, that it doesn't draw people away from the main comps, as splintering the community into sub-sub-sub-divisions will reduce competition, which is, well, the name of the game!

To keep it in the race mode:
Alonso's first F1 championship might have been less worth when there wouldn't have been the "Unbeatable" in the competion. To beat an unbeatable might be one of the greatest emotions one can experience in life. You are completely right, my friend!

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Seems odd though to try and minimize winners based on skill, but rather on trying to lure the veterans away from the main competitions. I see the same names pop up more than once because they just produce better images. I'd rather win a competition by besting other people, not by just removing those that are better than me.

Sorry, but I get a weird feeling from an aim to have people "neglect" the main comps

It sounds, at least to me, like some people just want to say they've won, no matter how that win is obtained, which seems a bit much. Again, my opinion only...

Totally agree with this point of view, and that is why I am a bit reluctant about a Photomode Idol. If the same people always win (it's not what really happens if you search the Hall of Fame), it's because they really have the best picture.
Making a competition for people who never won a competition, may really cut the community into half.

The League of Judges, in another hand and if I am understanding it correctly, may increase the overall quality of entries submitted each week (given that people would like to try it). One thing is, I would recommend it to be a seasonal type of competition. Let's say, once in a moth/2months.

 

[Raphaele]

"Let's say, once in a month/2months. "

I agree and say: let's try it!

 

[incendius]

I think this is an interesting and good idea, and I am definitely not against creating it. However, I would be more interested in seeing something a little more different from the current competitions.

I also think that if you create a "judges league" it would only be fair to create a "losers league" as well. Also, if you win the "losers league" will you be promoted and allowed to join the "judges league" even though it might be considered less competetive since the proven winners were not allowed? Just a thought.

The thing that got me interested in GT5 photomode was a "photohunt" competition I joined on another website. Instead of posting a theme for the competition the judge would post a real picture of a real car on a real track (i.e. picture of an R8 on the nurburgring), and the competitors would have to find the location in the game and try to copy that picture in GT5 photomode by getting the right car, angle, color of the car, position of the car etc. in order to get their photo as close as possible to the real one(without editing). This type of competition also challenges different skill sets other than purely artistic and would probably produce new and different winners.

I am not saying we need to create a photohunt competition, but rather that it might be fun to do something a little different from the current competitions.
I know I am a new member and my opinion probably doesn't mean a whole lot, but I thought I would put in my 2 cents. Thanks!

 

[strngz0731]

Hey, "new" member... Welcome!
Don't sell your opinions short. A forum like this should be a place to share them. Let your opinions be heard and hold their own based on their merit...
When I read this thread, I also thought of a complementary sort of competition.
I wouldn't call it a "loser's league", because hopefully a loser just hasn't won yet.
I saw something more along the lines of "GT Planet Photomode Idol" - a competition for those that haven't "made it big" by posting a win in an existing competition.
Hey, it's my opinion that it wouldn't segregate the community - at least no more than an elite "judge's league" would. In fact, I think it would create a more fun competition experience for the "average" or "casual" GT5 shutterbug against other folks of similar skill.
Whether or not anyone values it enough to run with it and bring it to fruition, I expressed my suggestions and opinions. Nothing could ever happen if I didn't put it out there, right?
Good luck to you in the competitions you enter - can't wait to see what you come up with!
Peace...

 

[incendius]

Hey, "new" member... Welcome!

Good luck to you in the competitions you enter - can't wait to see what you come up with!
Peace...

Thank you! I just wish I would have found this website sooner

I really like your idea of a competition where you can compete with people of similar skills. I wouldn't call it a "loser's league" either, I was just poking fun and I liked how it flowed, although it would definitely be more offensive than photomode idol

I think it would be best if someone could compete in PMC's in stages from a beginner to advanced to pro so that you don't have joe newbie vs moglet. The "judge's league" is basically a league for pros, so it would be nice if there were a "beginner's league" and an "advanced league" as well, but that could require a lot of changes to the current system and some people might be opposed to it.

I think the main issue is that there are so many people entering these competitions so for every 1 winner there are 99 people who don't win. Photo's are also very subjective, one person may dislike a photo for the very same reason another loves it, so it can be hard to define or understand how to improve your skills. It can also create a lot of frustration when someone thought they had the best looking pic and it didn't even make it to the poll. This is why I think there should be an effort into making more diverse competitions that require different skills, like the one I mentioned in my previous post, rather than more of the same thing.

 

[jgda9rs]

why not just make it a competition just for the ones that actually host other competitions, and that's it. kind of like a master's series type thing.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

The problem I see here is, what defines beginners and pro's? How are we to define that? Who is in the right to define it? etc.

Don't get me wrong, I never won a competition since GT5 is out, so I could not participate in a so said "League of Judges", but we really have to separate what can/will happen in a "League of Judges" and a "Loser League".
And first of all, before I begin to explain it, I am a bit against of making competitions only for target X or Y, but with a League of Judges, I can see some advantage in it. The thing is and agreeing incendius and strngz0731 it has to be different from the other competitions.
What could be expected with a League of Judges?

• Well, be an exciting competition that everyone wants to enter it.
• Given that the competition is so exciting, I expect a increase of quality on the regular competitions, given that everyone wants to enter a League of Judge.
• And given that most past winners enter it, I expect to see a major quality poll.
• Last but not least, it's another trophy for past winners.

Still I don't think the competition is ready to go, some brainstorming may be needed to get this to be a pretty good competition. And to add some, what about manage to drop as many entries as your past wins in competitions? Just a thought.


Now, about a Losers League, why I am I totally against it? Well, it's simple, seeing that it's "easy" to compete and win, I can see a decrease of entries on regular competitions. Why bother entering regular competitions if the other one is easier, deviding the comunity: those who still want a challenge and enter the regular competitions and those who want an easy route and enter the Losers League.
Also, there is a huge misconception about who wins competitions. It's like Moglet or some others always win competition, which is not true. If you look at the Hall of Fame (which still needs to be updated), you can see that isn't true.

jgda9rs, a competition just for Hosts wouldn't really justify, as we are to little.

 

[JediRage]

An idea for the league of judges format. How about having 10 or so match ups per week (20 participants). For a two day period, members can challenge each other to a photo duel over a particular topic.

For example member 1 challenges member 2 to a duel over lamborghini shots.or member 3 challenges member 4 to a duel over scenery shots. etc. etc. etc.

It could get a little chaotic, but since the challenging period is limited to 2 days, the picture submission could be left for the rest of the week.

 

[jgda9rs]

jgda9rs, a competition just for Hosts wouldn't really justify, as we are to little.

just this once.. i think it'll be interesting to see what happens.
it will be the most exclusive 24 hours of a poll. and yeah, i agree with you
on being against the loser's competition. there's really no way of seeing losers
here in our comps. i mean, if the person's already lost, then why do they have to compete LOL. i doubt that anyone would want to participate in that. such a dumb idea.. loser's comp... LOL

and define a pro gt5 photographer.. if you can even call it photography LOL. real photographs are taken within seconds.. atleast if you're gonna pursue motorsports photojournalism, and not from a paused videogame. all it is, is just taking a screen shot really. and pro photographers dont shoot in automatic/program mode which is what the gt4 and gt5 photomode is all about. get real. if they want to do something serious, i say do a photoshop composite contest involving gt5 and sourcing out real life photos and making something out of it.

 

[strngz0731]

I simply envisioned "GT Planet Photomode Idol" as a "more level playing field" outlet for the beginner, the inexperienced, and/or the casual competitor. Nothing more.
(Would a logical entry criterion be someone who has yet to either win a competition - or even get selected for a competition’s poll? Yeah, but as it’s been put out there, folks that meet such criteria are not folks that should be considered “losers”.)

I don't believe I ever said that the same small population always wins competitions. If I did, I apologize, as it was erroneous. It does seem, at least to me though, that there are an “upper echelon”, an “elite” group of folks that consistently - albeit not always - are in the competition polls week after week. Is it because they're more skilled and generally putting out better images? Overall - ABSOLUTELY!

Would it take away from entries into other competitions? I can't say for certain, but I sure as heck know it personally wouldn't have that effect. For someone like myself who hasn't/doesn't get into post-PS3 image editing, there's a whopping three competitions to enter - every two weeks. With some folks already entering three or four competitions weekly - plus keeping up on their own galleries, I don't see how one more competition would create such a detrimental effect (particularly considering the target demographic for "GT Planet Photomode Idol" competitors aren't those that are entering that many competitions and the such).

If it’s that much of a concern to make things to “easy” or otherwise take away from other competitions, why would there be a separate competition devoted to the “crème de la crème” of the forum? Surely that would consequently impact the overall level across competitions with asking them to take time away from other entries and showcase their efforts in this “elite” competition.
(Above and beyond that, what kind of message does the establishment of an “elite” league – without a corresponding “beginner” league, send to those already frustrated by inability to match skills with the “best”?)

Hey, "GT Planet Photomode Idol" was just an idea I tossed out there with the intent of it possibly leading to something new and different. Bummer it wasn’t received or understood so well, but as they say: C’est la vie!

Peace…

 

[incendius]

I think strngz0731 has a great point in that there are a lot of people that are new to GT5 photomode and therefore are not going to be able to produce the same quality of picture that veterans who have probably taken several hundred pics or more. It's easy to see how people can get discourage from participating when after many many tries cannot even make it to a poll. It would be nice to help people phase into these competitions as their skill increases.

(Above and beyond that, what kind of message does the establishment of an “elite” league – without a corresponding “beginner” league, send to those already frustrated by inability to match skills with the “best”?)

I totally agree in that a "Judge's League" would not be fair unless there was a League created for people who have yet to win a competition(not a "loser's league" - my sincere apologies for coining that phrase ).