GT7 Online races pulling my hair out

[flying-chick]

Hi racers 🙂

I'm new here and to the gt7 world, I've being going round and round the same old track for 3 nights, finally i did a 1 minute 35 second lap on a sport online race, on the kiota race track, which had been running for the last few nights.

But I'm just puzzled as to why I can't get a gold on the circuit experience on the Kiota race track Japan in a higher powered car ?.

The gold time is achieved with a mitsubishi lancer final gt3, with a time of 1.36.50 with a bhp of 610.

But yet I can do a lap of 1.35 in the same car on a qualifier , but with bop bhp of 506 bhp and a higher weight of about 30 kg heavier, it makes no sense

I've done it with other cars too.

I tried to get the gold on other circuit experiences. and I Couldn't do it in the car given to you by gt7 but could with my own used in a time trial ?.

Is gt7 rigged ?.

Maybe they want me to go and buy an expensive wheel or something, trying to make me think I'm rubbish.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm also pulling my hair out I just can't hit 1.31 like I could in Forza and I'm ripping the track to bits smashing ever corner with perfect trail braking, ive marked every corner with fasted possible speed I can hit them on entry, and exit, pulling it of and still can't get beyond 1.35

Just to pee me of more I've now been bumped up to c class with a load of rammers.

 

[TumeK5]

Skill issue, plain and simple.

A wheel would help yes, but it would be a learning curve on its own.

Keep pushing 💪

Get your head out of your anus, Fernandoz.

 

[flying-chick]

Skill issue, plain and simple.

A wheel would help yes, but it would be a learning curve on its own.

Keep pushing 💪

My skill is just fine, tried every wheel and I always go back to the controller, I never had this issue on Forza Xbox, Also I was always only a couple of one hundredths of a second on world records on every track in forza 🙂. Also i am better with a controller, as with a controller that has strong force feed back, as I get a better feeling through my fingers than my feet on any pedal set including I've had them all .

Really on a controller with strong force feed back and stiff triggers it's as if im in the car, I always drive seeing inside the car as you drive I actually feel as if I'm in the car, and the reason why I'm so competitive.

I've only just come to sony but I can't see a wheel making a difference. Even my steering is better with a good hand controller,

Wheels and pedals are just a big let down for me , I've never had the true feelings of feeling as if I'm inside the car as when playing with a wheel, as I do when I'm using the controller, which is important to me


The only way to truly get good is to get a feeling for the car your driving, which I get from just a hand controller,

Maybe you may tell me differently that some of the ps5 pedals give you the same feeling.

I'm interested to know if anyone is actually getting higher than 1 min 35 seconds on the current gt3 daily sports race currently on gt7 sports Kiota track with using just a controller ?.

I never normally have to practice a track more than a day at most to get to the world record time. But it's been four days now and I'm still 3 secs behind

 

[TumeK5]

My skill is just fine, tried every wheel and I always go back to the controller

Which is exactly my point, you probably haven't given it enough time.

Swapping from controller to wheel is a learning curve.

Also I was always only a couple of one hundredths of a second on world records on every track in forza 🙂

I tried to get the gold on other circuit experiences. and I Couldn't do it in the car given to you by gt7 but could with my own used in a time trial ?.

Forza =/= GT.

The biggest problem I have here is, if you struggle with the CE's, then your skills are not exactly where you think they are. Try setting a WR in GT, and you'll notice it's a lot harder than Forza.

Is gt7 rigged ?

Roulette tickets are, nothing else.

 

[flying-chick]

Which is exactly my point, you probably haven't given it enough time.

Swapping from controller to wheel is a learning curve.

Not exactly sure what you mean by this, considering you're a class C?

I've had had the console 1 month I've been on the gt7 1 week, I'm higher than class c, I just said I'm unhappy I'm only in class c at the moment, and I'm also aware ratings also come with the amount of races you have raced online. But really I'm not bothered that much about ratings at the moment,

I personally think the way Sony gives their ratings really has floors in it. Penalties just suck most of the time, especially when your doing everything to avoid hitting someone.

I've never been rammed of the track as much in gt7 as I did in Forza or had so many drivers breaking early.
That's what I don't like about being shoved in these rating groups to begin with, as you can be stuck there for a while dealing with clowns

I'm new so I'm building friends at the moment trying to get private races going, all that stuff.

I have the Logitech g pro and load cell pedals but I'm still 2 secs a lap quicker on Forza 7 with my controller than with the wheel, also I'm only 2 seconds behind world record times on a wheel on Forza on every lap and track , with a controller I match the world record times on every track and lap, consistently.

 

[TumeK5]

I've had had the console 1 month I've been on the gt7 1 week, I'm higher than class c, I just said I'm unhappy I'm only in class c at the moment, and I'm also aware ratings also come with the amount of races you have raced online...Penalties just suck most of the time...I've never been rammed of the track as much in gt7 as I did in Forza...you can be stuck there for a while dealing with clowns

I'm new so I'm building friends at the moment trying to get private races going, all that stuff.

Fair, but this has nothing to do with skill, this just a matter of Sony (or more specifically, Polyphony) not ironing out issues in Sport mode.

I have the Logitech g pro and load cell pedals but I'm still 2 secs a lap quicker on Forza 7 with my controller than with the wheel, also I'm only 2 seconds behind world record times on a wheel on Forza on every lap and track , with a controller I match the world record times on every track and lap, consistently.

You said "Sony wants me to buy an expensive wheel" but you already have a very decent one, complete with load cells.

You don't have enough experience with it yet, that's the issue. And if you don't see an improvement in say, half a year or more (assuming you put down the controller and practice on wheel exclusively) then you're better off with the controller.

TL;DR: don't worry about Sport mode, focus more on your own skills.

/thread

 

[flying-chick]

Fair, but this has nothing to do with skill, this just a matter of Sony (or more specifically, Polyphony) not ironing out issues in Sport mode.

You said "Sony wants me to buy an expensive wheel" but you already have a very decent one, complete with load cells.

You don't have enough experience with it yet, that's the issue. And if you don't see an improvement in say, half a year or more (assuming you put down the controller and practice on wheel exclusively) then you're better off with the controller.

TL;DR: don't worry about Sport mode, focus more on your own skills.

/thread

My set up would be expensive for a lot people but there are more expensive set ups.I could buy. But I really feel as if I would be wasting my time,.buying a more expensive set up. Maybe it's just the way it's going now, that if you want to be competitive you have to splash 10.000 UK pound cash. It's going that way I think, the new true 4k vr head set have just hit, priced just over a thousand pound, I personally think it's something Sony are taking advantage of, but not just that,

 

[TumeK5]

Maybe it's just the way it's going now, that if you want to be competitive you have to splash 10.000 UK pound cash.

No, it's all in your head.

People can be ridiculously fast in GT7 with nothing but a DualSense.

Again,

/thread

 

[watto79]

Maybe it's just the way it's going now, that if you want to be competitive you have to splash 10.000 UK pound cash.

People have qualified for the GTWS World Finals on a controller, and there are plenty of A+ controller users, so this just isn't even close to being true.

Post a video of your circuit experience lap that you're struggling with and people here will help.

 

[flying-chick]

No, it's all in your head.

People can be ridiculously fast in GT7 with nothing but a DualSense.

Again,

/thread

I'm aware of that 🙂 A lot of events such as ranking scheduled events have been won with a controller a lot of time including by myself,

I'm interested what people prefer on ps5 wheel or controller, also I'm interested to know if anyone is having the same issues between a Logitech g pro and a controller the issue I had at first with a controler and wheel years a go mainly was my tires would ware out more quickly on a controller, but noe that isn't the issue, the main issue is quicker inputs with my fingers as opposed to my feet, ans most of all feeling is better through the fingers than feet, but mostly when I say feeling actually feeling as if your in the car.

But mostly I'm really trying to understand why i can't get gold on a circuit experience track but yet i smash it with a lower powered car ?

People have qualified for the GTWS World Finals on a controller, and there are plenty of A+ controller users, so this just isn't even close to being true.

Post a video of your circuit experience lap that you're struggling with and people here will help.

Thanks I try and do that for you soon 🙂

 

[TumeK5]

But mostly I'm really trying to understand why i can't get gold on a circuit experience track but yet i smash it with a lower powered car ?

This doesn't sound right.

 

[TheNormsk]

It's not that hard to gold circuit experience. Some are definitely harder than others though. As to going faster in a sports QT session vs CC, well they are different things. Fuel may be different, the car tune certainly is because of BoP. Time of day and track temp makes a difference.

This is really a skill issue and the need to practice with your chosen input method, be it controller or wheel. You may find changing controller settings will help with feedback and sensitivity as well. I find the CC tend to benefit from a more nuanced, sensitive application of throttle and brake whereas in sport you may get away with being a bit more aggressive.

I've had had the console 1 month I've been on the gt7 1 week, I'm higher than class c, I just said I'm unhappy I'm only in class c at the moment, and I'm also aware ratings also come with the amount of races you have raced online. But really I'm not bothered that much about ratings at the moment,

I personally think the way Sony gives their ratings really has floors in it. Penalties just suck most of the time, especially when your doing everything to avoid hitting someone.

I've never been rammed of the track as much in gt7 as I did in Forza or had so many drivers breaking early.
That's what I don't like about being shoved in these rating groups to begin with, as you can be stuck there for a while dealing with clowns

You can get really really good races in C. You can have bad ones as well. What I find is that if you drive like a turd, then others will treat you back the same way. If respectful, often that is repaid in kind. I'm not saying you are a turd driver but you are new to this and you need to give it time to get with the flow and nuance of sport racing. The fact you say people brake too soon implies you may be one of those peeps that dive bombs into corners and don't know how to get around a track cleanly.

You may think you are good but the reality is that most who think they are good are not good because they do not know what they do not know. As you get better at something the irony is that you feel your are worse as you realize all the nuance and skill gap you have between yourself and the truly good people as you learn about the stuff you don't know.

You need to give it time.

My set up would be expensive for a lot people but there are more expensive set ups.I could buy. But I really feel as if I would be wasting my time,.buying a more expensive set up. Maybe it's just the way it's going now, that if you want to be competitive you have to splash 10.000 UK pound cash. It's going that way I think, the new true 4k vr head set have just hit, priced just over a thousand pound, I personally think it's something Sony are taking advantage of, but not just that,

Not sure if you are just trolling at this point. There are many fast people on very basic set ups or even just a couch and controller. Nice (expensive) set ups may make the emersion better and help you become a better driver, but they are absolutely not required.

If I was poor, I would still be having fun with a basic Logitech G29 even though it is a piece of ****. Now I am not poor so I have a much better set up which aids in my enjoyment but I could be just as fast with the G29 as I was with my fancy Fanatec and 8020 cockpit. It’s just a lot easier to maintain consistency with the nice stuff.

Poor drivers blame their tools. Good drivers, blame themselves and work to get better.

 

[flying-chick]

It's not that hard to gold circuit experience. Some are definitely harder than others though. As to going faster in a sports QT session vs CC, well they are different things. Fuel may be different, the car tune certainly is because of BoP. Time of day and track temp makes a difference.

This is really a skill issue and the need to practice with your chosen input method, be it controller or wheel. You may find changing controller settings will help with feedback and sensitivity as well. I find the CC tend to benefit from a more nuanced, sensitive application of throttle and brake whereas in sport you may get away with bing a bit for aggressive.

You can get really really good races in C. You can have bad ones as well. What I find is that if you drive like a turd, then others will treat you back the same way. If respectful, often that is repaid in kind. I'm not saying you are a turd driver but you are new to this and you need to give it time to get with the flow and nuance of sport racing. The fact you say people brake too soon implies you may be one of those peeps that dive bombs into corners and don't know how to get around a track cleanly.

You may think you are good but the reality is that most who think they are good are not good because they do not know what they do not know. As you get better at something the irony is that you feel your are worse as you realize all the nuance and skill gap you have between yourself and the truly good people as you learn about the stuff you don't know.

You need to give it time.

Not sure if you are just trolling at this point. There are many fast people on very basic set ups or even just a couch and controller. Nice (expensive) set ups may make the emersion better and help you become a better driver, but they are absolutely not required.

If I was poor, I would still be having fun with a basic Logitech G29 even though it is a piece of ****. Now I am not poor so I have a much better set up which aids in my enjoyment but I was as fast with the G29 as I was with my fancy Fanatec and 8020 cockpit.

Poor drivers blame their tools. Good drivers, blame themselves and work to get better.

Not at all my trail breaking is an art I have mastered 🙂.

I'll post a demo soon of my lap times but you will have to wait a little while now my little kid kid has gone and reset the ps5, so I've now got to redo the menus, I should have that done by the end of next week.

So I'm new here and I don't know what kind of people come here or people and comments you have had to deal with in the past, but best thing to sort your concerns out are, is after you've seen my demoes, if your upto it, I'll race you online,, then at least that way you'll have the info you need before to make your mind up, which is a better way to go rather the speculate how I may race, or even put your mind at rest that I'm not a bad person.

Really tho I can get gold in circuit experience tracks, I'm talking about one in particular which is Kiota.

I can get the gold in a lower powered car same weather conditions, all that stuff.

So my only conclusion is perhaps my trail breaking is better in the lowered powered version of the mitsubishi lancer, than it is on the higher powered version, or there is a bug issue with my game or console, which is kinda messing with confidence right now

My other thought is maybe the lower powered car gets up to just the perfect speeds on the approach to the many apex corners Kiota has. Kind of makes it easier to judge, on some of the long bends.

 

[TumeK5]

Kiota

Kiota

Kiota

Kyoto.

 

[whiteusagi]

If your conclusion is that only the console or game has an issue, and that you are unwilling to consider any deficiencies on your own end, then if you genuinely want assistance then you will post a video of said issue and no more. Until then there is nothing that can be diagnosed.

I'll post a demo soon of my lap times but you will have to wait a little while now my little kid kid has gone and reset the ps5, so I've now got to redo the menus, I should have that done by the end of next week.

If my understanding is correct, your child can reset the PS5, delete the local save data, reinstall GT7 all they want and your game progress will still be there the next time you start up the game, as your game progress is saved online and beyond the reach of your child or even yourself. As such, if you have time to post here then you have time to just jump in and save/share a quick video for us to help you with. No, you do not have to redo menus or wait until next week.

For additional context, you are not the first and you will likely not be the last to claim the game is at fault. There have been numerous examples in the past of similar complaints from other users claiming to be capable of world record times only to never be addressed with a video of their gameplay, so you will indeed have to understand that there is a relatively large amount of skepticism here.

 

[B80]

Hi racers 🙂

I'm new here and to the gt7 world, I've being going round and round the same old track for 3 nights, finally i did a 1 minute 35 second lap on a sport online race, on the kiota race track, which had been running for the last few nights.

But I'm just puzzled as to why I can't get a gold on the circuit experience on the Kiota race track Japan in a higher powered car ?.

The gold time is achieved with a mitsubishi lancer final gt3, with a time of 1.36.50 with a bhp of 610.

But yet I can do a lap of 1.35 in the same car on a qualifier , but with bop bhp of 506 bhp and a higher weight of about 30 kg heavier, it makes no sense

I've done it with other cars too.

I tried to get the gold on other circuit experiences. and I Couldn't do it in the car given to you by gt7 but could with my own used in a time trial ?.

Is gt7 rigged ?.

Maybe they want me to go and buy an expensive wheel or something, trying to make me think I'm rubbish.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm also pulling my hair out I just can't hit 1.31 like I could in Forza and I'm ripping the track to bits smashing ever corner with perfect trail braking, ive marked every corner with fasted possible speed I can hit them on entry, and exit, pulling it of and still can't get beyond 1.35

Just to pee me of more I've now been bumped up to c class with a load of rammers.

Hello chief,

I've can't say I've noticed it personally. Mainly as I haven't touched online races for a couple of years, and also as I'm not that dedicated/focused on CE.

I've fully golded numerous circuits. Mix of gold and silvers on others. Haven't tried or barely touched some.

Anyway, someone on here recently sbd others backed them up, were convinced game or cars feel/behave slightly differently in different modes of the game.

Can't recall exact modes they talking about now. so maybe worth considering that as a possible reason too.

 

[watto79]

@flying-chick I was intrigued about this so had a look myself. A big factor is the tyre temps. On the Circuit Experience you're starting tyre temps are about 10 degrees cooler than in the daily race quali. In the quali sessions you're also able to get the temps up and keep them there, whereas in the Circuit Experience you do 1 lap and the have to start again on cold tyres.

The time of day is also different and looks like the Circuit Experience is early evening/cloudy and cooler than the middle of the day sunny Daily Race quali.

This cooler temps combined with the higher power meant I found the Circuit Experience felt much harder to drive as the car is much looser, while in the daily race its much easier to push the car. The BoP'd car does also seem to suit the circuit better than the non BoP'd.

So no, nothing is rigged. There's just more going on under the hood than the game really tells you about.

EDIT Here's a really sloppy 1:34.4 with a few mistakes and completely ballsed up the last chicane. Getting the power down out of the hairpins is also a PITA.

 

[flying-chick]

@flying-chick I was intrigued about this so had a look myself. A big factor is the tyre temps. On the Circuit Experience you're starting tyre temps are about 10 degrees cooler than in the daily race quali. In the quali sessions you're also able to get the temps up and keep them there, whereas in the Circuit Experience you do 1 lap and the have to start again on cold tyres.

The time of day is also different and looks like the Circuit Experience is early evening/cloudy and cooler than the middle of the day sunny Daily Race quali.

This cooler temps combined with the higher power meant I found the Circuit Experience felt much harder to drive as the car is much looser, while in the daily race its much easier to push the car. The BoP'd car does also seem to suit the circuit better than the non BoP'd.

So no, nothing is rigged. There's just more going on under the hood than the game really tells you about.

EDIT Here's a really sloppy 1:34.4 with a few mistakes and completely ballsed up the last chicane. Getting the power down out of the hairpins is also a PITA.

Thanks for the the info, I never thought of some the info you mentioned, some really good driving skills there and some lovely cornering 😉 I would love to race you soon. I'll give it a wizz soon and post a demo. My friend informed me if my wireless controller is not fully charged up that it loses stiffness in the dual shock triggers.

I'm not sure if this is true yet as I've not had chance to test since my kid reset the ps5 yesterday, I'll be back home tomorrow, so I'll give it another blast. Probably be Monday before I post a.demo. I did noticed there was a change in stiffness in the triggers , this could of been making me slow, maybe i was doing the online race when my wireless controller was fully charged up, and I did the circuit when it wasn't, but I'm not sure. I do recall there was a change in stiffness at some point.


I did manage to get gold on this track last night on my friends ps5 but I was a second behind you,.I should be able to match your time on my ps5. Thanks ☺️❤️

 

[Hasnain282]

But I'm just puzzled as to why I can't get a gold on the circuit experience on the Kiota race track Japan in a higher powered car ?.

I know you've managed the gold now but for Circuit Experience what I usually do is go back to the sectors and repeat each of them until I can consistently get a good time on each of them
So, I'd do sector 1 again and again until I'm consistently under gold by a good margin (to make sure it's not a one off) and then repeat for the rest of the sectors. Then the full lap should be a lot easier

 

[flying-chick]

@flying-chick I was intrigued about this so had a look myself. A big factor is the tyre temps. On the Circuit Experience you're starting tyre temps are about 10 degrees cooler than in the daily race quali. In the quali sessions you're also able to get the temps up and keep them there, whereas in the Circuit Experience you do 1 lap and the have to start again on cold tyres.

The time of day is also different and looks like the Circuit Experience is early evening/cloudy and cooler than the middle of the day sunny Daily Race quali.

This cooler temps combined with the higher power meant I found the Circuit Experience felt much harder to drive as the car is much looser, while in the daily race its much easier to push the car. The BoP'd car does also seem to suit the circuit better than the non BoP'd.

So no, nothing is rigged. There's just more going on under the hood than the game really tells you about.

EDIT Here's a really sloppy 1:34.4 with a few mistakes and completely ballsed up the last chicane. Getting the power down out of the hairpins is also a PITA.

Did you do that on a wheel or controller ?

If your conclusion is that only the console or game has an issue, and that you are unwilling to consider any deficiencies on your own end, then if you genuinely want assistance then you will post a video of said issue and no more. Until then there is nothing that can be diagnosed.


If my understanding is correct, your child can reset the PS5, delete the local save data, reinstall GT7 all they want and your game progress will still be there the next time you start up the game, as your game progress is saved online and beyond the reach of your child or even yourself. As such, if you have time to post here then you have time to just jump in and save/share a quick video for us to help you with. No, you do not have to redo menus or wait until next week.

For additional context, you are not the first and you will likely not be the last to claim the game is at fault. There have been numerous examples in the past of similar complaints from other users claiming to be capable of world record times only to never be addressed with a video of their gameplay, so you will indeed have to understand that there is a relatively large amount of skepticism here.

Well I'm still getting a customised to the ps5. But all in all I do like it's looks better than the Xbox series x. I was going to buy the Xbox one series x because I was so good on Forza on Xbox one x. So it's all a bit new to me at the moment. But I'm always.looking to improve and push my online buddies to the limits further. Always better for racing I find 🙂.

But I will post you a demo soon. I promise just a bit busy for the next couple of days at least hopefully I'll have some time to myself soon.

If my work stops sending me to the other end of the country that is.

 

[whiteusagi]

If your work is keeping you so busy then by all means prioritize that. But if you have both the time and mental capacity to raise grievances on a video game forum all while rejecting self critique then I humbly ask that you spend that time instead showing us your lap so we can help diagnose your issue. What is most testing for me personally is people coming up with excuses NOT to post their lap (Ex: not enough time, too much work, kids, spouse, controller/internet/hardware issues, etc. etc.) all while making what I feel to be unreasonable claims, and then finally disappearing without a trace (and without posting a lap). I’m hoping whatever you post next will show us your own lap.

 

[Famine]

There's a lot going on here.

But I'm just puzzled as to why I can't get a gold on the circuit experience on the Kiota race track Japan in a higher powered car ?.

The gold time is achieved with a mitsubishi lancer final gt3, with a time of 1.36.50 with a bhp of 610.

So, firstly, the track location - "Kyoto" (a prefecture in Japan, named for the city which was the capital for over a thousand years) - has two Circuit Experiences; it has three courses (five in total, with reverse layouts), comprising the small Miyabi, larger Yamagiwa, and the combined Yamagiwa+Miyabi, but only the two individual tracks have CEs. Given the times and the car, I'm assuming you're referring to the Yamagiwa course.

The gold there is 1:35.600, not 1:36.500. Either way I - a middling B-ranked driver - just went and picked up the DualSense controller and hit gold (1:35.153) on my first lap. It was not a particularly good lap, so I was a little surprised it was easily gold given the difficulty noted above...

finally i did a 1 minute 35 second lap on a sport online race, on the kiota race track, which had been running for the last few nights.

But yet I can do a lap of 1.35 in the same car on a qualifier , but with bop bhp of 506 bhp and a higher weight of about 30 kg heavier, it makes no sense

Did you do this lap in a race like it says in the first line, or in qualifying like it says in the second?

In qualifying, CE, and indeed any other conditions where there is no fuel consumption, you'll be carrying a full tank of fuel and the weight that brings with it. During a race, fuel consumption will reduce the vehicle weight, bit by bit, but you will also get the much larger benefit of slipstream from cars in front of you (anywhere around 1.5s ahead) on the straights.

There's also time of day and tyre temperature considerations: cars run better in colder conditions but the tyres don't. In the CE you'll always start at the exact same conditions, where in a race or in qualifying you'll be running lap after lap and your tyres will be getting warmer.

I've just ambled round the qualifying time trial - on my own - with a 1:36.1 best and a 1:35.9 optimal after four laps in the same Mitsubishi (which I dislike as a car).

The BOPed car is definitely slower. I suspect what you're encountering is either difficulty getting the power down in the more powerful car (or you're running with high traction control, which interferes harder on the higher-power car because you're losing traction more), or you're not dealing with the increased braking distances of the higher straight-line speed well.

I'm ripping the track to bits smashing ever corner with perfect trail braking, ive marked every corner with fasted possible speed I can hit them on entry, and exit, pulling it of and still can't get beyond 1.35

I have some bad news for you: you're not doing it as perfectly as you think you are. Try downloading some of the ghosts of the top times and following them in qualifying.

I'm also pulling my hair out I just can't hit 1.31 like I could in Forza

Kyoto Driving Park is a fictional location created for Gran Turismo Sport and isn't in Forza, so I'm not quite sure what the reference is here.

Are you thinking that you should just be able to pick up a new driving game and instantly record global top 10 times (even top eight in the CE; top 17 in the Daily Race B qualifying) in a car nobody else is setting record global top 10 times with? They're using the BMW M6 for a reason...

 

[flying-chick]

There's a lot going on here.

So, firstly, the track location - "Kyoto" (a prefecture in Japan, named for the city which was the capital for over a thousand years) - has two Circuit Experiences; it has three courses (five in total, with reverse layouts), comprising the small Miyabi, larger Yamagiwa, and the combined Yamagiwa+Miyabi, but only the two individual tracks have CEs. Given the times and the car, I'm assuming you're referring to the Yamagiwa course.

The gold there is 1:35.600, not 1:36.500. Either way I - a middling B-ranked driver - just went and picked up the DualSense controller and hit gold (1:35.153) on my first lap. It was not a particularly good lap, so I was a little surprised it was easily gold given the difficulty noted above...

Did you do this lap in a race like it says in the first line, or in qualifying like it says in the second?

In qualifying, CE, and indeed any other conditions where there is no fuel consumption, you'll be carrying a full tank of fuel and the weight that brings with it. During a race, fuel consumption will reduce the vehicle weight, bit by bit, but you will also get the much larger benefit of slipstream from cars in front of you (anywhere around 1.5s ahead) on the straights.

There's also time of day and tyre temperature considerations: cars run better in colder conditions but the tyres don't. In the CE you'll always start at the exact same conditions, where in a race or in qualifying you'll be running lap after lap and your tyres will be getting warmer.

I've just ambled round the qualifying time trial - on my own - with a 1:36.1 best and a 1:35.9 optimal after four laps in the same Mitsubishi (which I dislike as a car).

The BOPed car is definitely slower. I suspect what you're encountering is either difficulty getting the power down in the more powerful car (or you're running with high traction control, which interferes harder on the higher-power car because you're losing traction more), or you're not dealing with the increased braking distances of the higher straight-line speed well.

I have some bad news for you: you're not doing it as perfectly as you think you are. Try downloading some of the ghosts of the top times and following them in qualifying.

Kyoto Driving Park is a fictional location created for Gran Turismo Sport and isn't in Forza, so I'm not quite sure what the reference is here.

Are you thinking that you should just be able to pick up a new driving game and instantly record global top 10 times (even top eight in the CE; top 17 in the Daily Race B qualifying) in a car nobody else is setting record global top 10 times with? They're using the BMW M6 for a reason...

Hi friend thanks for info, I know about about Kiota being fictional and not a real race course and not being on Xbox, I must have been refering to smashing other tracks with low numbers on Xbox but theres only so much detail I can write in one short post plus I keep missing worse out, but I wished it was i could then see how I perform differently to see if it's tool related I'm experiencing at the moment, but my gut feeling is I may not have had my wireless controller fully charged, which I'm told effects the stiffness of the triggers, so what your memory muscle becomes accustomed to then changes.

Yes you are refering to the right course and now I have just done a 1.34 on this course doing the gold circuit experience 😊 but on my friends ps5 with there' controller, so when I get home I'll re download the game as it's an upgrade game from PS4. My friend gave me the PS4 version of gt7 but with this game it then only cost 10.00 to update to the ps5 version, but it's a mega download, 120 gig or something like that.

So one way or another I'll know soon what's going on whether it's me or whether there's some other issue, I have had problems before with wireless controllers not functioning correctly and slowing me down on Forza.

I'm just thankful now and happy with everyone's input here and help which is now made me feel better

But with my console being brand new, I'm not sure what it is at the moment. All tho I have experienced the trigger not being as stiff when not full charged already , which totally caught me out on an online race where I finished last 😊. But my friend also informs.me that also the triggers will become gradually less stiffer when the controller starts to lose charge, which I'm not sure if that was happening as it would be difficult to judge at first so I think best thing I could do is ensure the controller is always connected by usb, and then practice for a couple of days and then see where I'm at 😊❤️.

But at least now I know it's not me

 

[Famine]

Kiota

Kyoto.

But at least now I know it's not me

From everything said thus far, it appears that... it was.

The CE car is definitely faster than the BOPed car you use in Daily Races, and you've now driven it faster. Charge levels of the DualSense aren't relevant - and the triggers are mechanical, so quite what your friend is talking about on that front I don't know - and neither is whether you're playing the PS4 version or the PS5 version.

Unless your controller is literally not registering full throttle (white bar on the right of the speedometer) or registering a small amount of braking (red/white bar on the left of the speedometer), it's not an equipment issue.

Either way, you ought to temper your expectations somewhat. There's a lot of distance from breaking into the 1:34s (in either case) and getting down to the mid-1:31s - a lot. I'd suggest doing some of the Online Time Trials to get an idea of where you actually are compared to the best players in the world, but it is quite sobering.

 

[Lomic]

a middling B-ranked driver

I have zero "issues" with all your points, but your driver rank does not mean much in terms of your abilities. You have low ranking drivers who have all gold in TTs since the start. And I guess a lot of players who achieve very good times in CEs, TTs, missions and licenses, but who never play online. So driver rank of somebody does only tell what is his current level in online races. You can be B ranked and have the WR on a TT or CE, be very skilled but not partaking in activities that affect your driver ranking.

 

[newmedia_dev]

My skill is just fine, tried every wheel and I always go back to the controller,

I was able to do it again in a couple of tries in VR with a wheel. So clearly it's not a hardware issue.

*control input type for clarity

 

[Famine]

Yes:

I have zero "issues" with all your points, but your driver rank does not mean much in terms of your abilities. You have low ranking drivers who have all gold in TTs since the start. And I guess a lot of players who achieve very good times in CEs, TTs, missions and licenses, but who never play online. So driver rank of somebody does only tell what is his current level in online races. You can be B ranked and have the WR on a TT or CE, be very skilled but not partaking in activities that affect your driver ranking.

But:

finally i did a 1 minute 35 second lap on a sport online race, on the kiota race track, which had been running for the last few nights.

But yet I can do a lap of 1.35 in the same car on a qualifier , but with bop bhp of 506 bhp and a higher weight of about 30 kg heavier, it makes no sense

Just to pee me of more I've now been bumped up to c class with a load of rammers.

Online pace appears to be intrinsic to the confusion here, and the specific pace appears appropriate for keeping up in a mid-B lobby.

That's why I mentioned it - in direct response. I'm no superhero in pace terms - I'm persistently high-B (I've been A once, in Sport) and can get gold in a few laps in most TTs, so I'm about 3% slower than the best - but I could gold the full-lap CE on a DualSense in one go.

 

[flying-chick]

Kyoto.

From everything said thus far, it appears that... it was.

The CE car is definitely faster than the BOPed car you use in Daily Races, and you've now driven it faster. Charge levels of the DualSense aren't relevant - and the triggers are mechanical, so quite what your friend is talking about on that front I don't know - and neither is whether you're playing the PS4 version or the PS5 version.

Unless your controller is literally not registering full throttle (white bar on the right of the speedometer) or registering a small amount of braking (red/white bar on the left of the speedometer), it's not an equipment issue.

Either way, you ought to temper your expectations somewhat. There's a lot of distance from breaking into the 1:34s (in either case) and getting down to the mid-1:31s - a lot. I'd suggest doing some of the Online Time Trials to get an idea of where you actually are compared to the best players in the world, but it is quite sobering.

I'm not sure you could get into the low 1.31 on the circuit experience gold trial. I'm confident I could possibly get into the a very low 1.34 as I've just done a 1.34.7 on a circuit experience gold trial but on my friends ps5 and even in an online race bop setting version with a lower powered car.. My best time on a qualifier on an online qualifier is a 1.35 .43. I did ten laps on the qualifier and it came back as me possibly achieving a 134.7,

But I'm so accustomed on Xbox to getting very close to world records.

But I think you may be mistaken about the wireless controller triggers losing stiffness when not fully charged.

Maybe you've not experience it yet or possibly it may effect other controllers more so than I others, but I have experienced it, and so as my friend, but any case it's something I wasnt fully aware of until now. But it really did catch me out. But if your competitive an race online it's best you know 😊

 

[Famine]

I'm not sure you could get into the low 1.31 on the circuit experience gold trial.

The current global world record is a 1:31.335.

 

[flying-chick]

The current global world record is a 1:31.335.

On a circuit gold experience ?