GTPLMS Round 3: Qualifying ***Results***

[ABud]

GTMSA Presents
GTPLMS Season 4 Round 3
Circuit de la Sarthe I; Hotlap
Qualifying: Deadline 11.59pm GMT Sunday 7th June​

Welcome to qualifying for the first of this seasons Enduro events! The racing takes place on the historic Circuit de la Sarthe I at Le Mans for a totaly different kind of challenge. Feel free to discuss sector times, but stick to sectors 2, 4 and 6.

Current Standings

Results

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General Information and Regulations

All rules, regulations, car specifications, and races are controlled by GTPLMS sanctioning body, GTMSA. Any and all questions should be directed to GTMSA officials (namely me ABud) and officials will do their best to answer in a timely and accurate manor.

All drivers must run at the specified weights and horsepower settings provided by GTMSA for each round. Horsepower and/or weight settings are adjusted for competitive reasons each round based on finishing positions from previous rounds.

• Standard Online Racing Rules Apply.
• No Cheating, hybrids, etc. You must run the car specifications I give you
• Try keeping at least 2 wheels on course. Long races = small mishaps, but absolutely NO shortcuts
• No wall-riding as well. Combined with penalties, this will slow you down considerably, so don't do it.
• All decisions by GTMSA officials are final

Qualifying

• Arcade Mode>>>Time trial>>>World Circuits>>>Circuit de la Sarthe I
• Single hot lap in time trial (arcade) mode
• Weight penalty in effect
• RS tires only
• ASM is prohibited TCS is optional
• Laps MUST be clean, no collisions no matter how small are acceptable
• Points: 3pts - 2pts - 1pt
• 20 second penalty added to race time if you dont submit a qualifying time

Time sending format

PM me with the following data. Please make sure all details are correctly filled in and DONT MISS THE DEADLINE

User Name:
Class:
Car:
Number:
HP:
Weight:
Lap Time:


Good luck all,

Andy

 

[Austin343]

I assume that all hard surfaces are track, including the red and otherwise dusty tarmac areas behind rumble strips? If so, then that gets a from me, but I know that most people don't drive the track between/on the rumble strips like I normally do. Whichever way, it's fine, but I do prefer not using those runoffs, especially in, say, the final chicane, where you can go a ridiculous amount faster by doing so; at the same time, though, I know I'm going to lose many seconds a lap if I don't drive it that way. I guess I'll just have to get used to it.

Edit: I have initial splits now, assuming that all of the track is in play. The lap in the GT was actually quite good and I may stick with it. In the GT-ONE, however, I did well on most of the lap and then lost nearly three quarters of a second in the esses and chicanes at the end, leaving me quite unsatisfied. At least the added weight makes no noticeable difference in the feel of the car.

Toyota GT-ONE: 58.626 - 1'44.924 - 2'39.394
Ford GT: 1'05.573 - 1'57.636 - 2'58.402

By the way, ABud, since the race is long this time and some people (like me) have to do two of them, is there any chance you can post the race, or at least the number of laps, a bit early? It would be nice not to have to cram two 90-minute races into one weekend.

Edit: Nix those splits, since I used the areas I now know are off-track.

 

[ABud]

I assume that all hard surfaces are track, including the red and otherwise dusty tarmac areas behind rumble strips?
Toyota GT-ONE: 58.626 - 1'44.924 - 2'39.394
Ford GT: 1'05.573 - 1'57.636 - 2'58.402

By the way, ABud, since the race is long this time and some people (like me) have to do two of them, is there any chance you can post the race, or at least the number of laps, a bit early? It would be nice not to have to cram two 90-minute races into one weekend.

Only the 'normal' track and rumble strips count as the race track, so don't use the red or other coloured road sections (no straightlining the final chicanes!) I'll update the main thread above later with some pics to really make it clear.

As for letting you know the number of laps, i think thats a perfectly reasonable request. So here goes - 18 laps!

 

[CAMikaze]

Will we get 2 weeks to complete the race as well?

 

[ABud]

If you count it as having started on the 1st of June, yes!

Done a few runs, plenty of time left on track but here's the splits:

T2 1'01.383
T4 1'49.139
T6 2'44.725

 

[Austin343]

Thanks for the (IMO) good decision on the runoffs, ABud. 👍 I bet this will be included in the pictures, but where the tarmac is red or similar but has no rumble strip bordering it, are we allowed to go there? For my laps, to be safe, I assumed that where there was no rumble strip, the boundary of the track is the white line, although that can get difficult at times because the line can be several inches to a foot away from the strip and it's often hard to tell at what point on the line the rumble strip ends.

Toyota GT-ONE: 1'00.680 - 1'47.842 - 2'42.188
Ford GT LM Spec II: 1'06.714 - 1'59.408 - 3'00.062

I got the GT-ONE lap pretty quickly and I'm not sure how much room there is to improve; I may or may not try it again depending on how fast others' laps are. The GT lap, on the other hand, was the fifth lap I saved; the previous four were all dirty by a couple inches in the same place, the first chicane. But luckily, I got this fifth try home cleanly and faster than any of my dirty runs. 👍 That probably means I'm done with it, especially considering how much time I spent on it.

I like La Sarthe a lot, and I'm hopeful that I can at least qualify better in LMP than the mystery driver east mentioned. For the race, I'm not as sure, but it might be my best shot at a victory, followed by Fuji and Infineon. I think the GT-ONE suits high-speed tracks well, also.

 

[raz_10]

Here are my first splits not using any of the red or going out of the white lines. I decided to play it safe and not go out of bounds at all.
1'08.543
2'02.209
3'05.822 >>>thx Austin

The end is very very safe driving...

 

[Austin343]

Well, unless you were so safe that you lost 30 seconds, either your T6 number is your lap time or it should be [removed so as to not hint at the lap time]. Right?

 

[ABud]

I don't think we should be using any of the red areas as track. You could think of the race track as being within the white lines, but also being able to use the rumble strips where available (which are outside the white lines). It's the first time i've had a series here at Le Sarthe so sorry about the ambiguity, next time i'll make it clear from the start!

Andy

 

[LancerEvo7]

Hey, my GT isn't working now, so I have to drop out, hopefully I'll be able to do something later on.

 

[oldmodelt]

Well, unless you were so safe that you lost 30 seconds, either your T6 number is your lap time or it should be [removed so as to not hint at the lap time]. Right?

I think Raz_10's times are correct. These T times are right between your and my current splits with the GT Ford I think.


Yours fast, mine slow.

Thanks for the clarification Austin343

 

[Austin343]

They are correct now, but he edited his post after I pointed out to him that the T6 he had written was in the general vicinity of 3'30; he had mistakenly reported his lap time as his T6. The "thx Austin" was referring to my telling him of his mistake.

Frustratingly, I think I will have to redo the lap time in the GT yet again. I slightly overdid Tertre Rouge, and exiting, I kept my right side tires on the rumble strip for its whole length but didn't make it back to the white line quite in time, and ended up with the right rear tire off the rumble strip and outside the white line by around an inch for the tiniest fraction of a second.

The track definitely requires some relearning to keep inside the lines as well as the rumble strips, as I'm used to cutting all the curbs close and using the runoffs for setup and, well, runoff, into and out of the corners. In many turns, the lines that are hardwired into me involve staying on the rumble strip all the way until it ends, at which point I'm outside the lines but not fully on the dusty area. And in others, I freely use the red bits to widen the turn but scramble back to be again inside or on the rumble strips.

I do have one last clarification, ABud (sorry for the incessant questions - the WRS inadvertently trains you to do this!). In the final chicane, the rumble strips have a small, flat, green-colored extension that widens them slightly. I assume this is counted as part of the rumble strip, but if it's not, please let me know. I had a third wheel only on that in my current, dirty, fastest lap, and it seemed wise to ask for future reference.

 

[ABud]

It might be easiest if it doesn't count as track - that way only tarmac inside the white lines and rumble strips count and its simpler.

Sorry Austin!!

 

[CAMikaze]

Here's how I fared in my first set of Qualifying laps in the Camaro...

T2: 1'10.678
T4: 2'05.119
T6: 3'07.740​

 

[Austin343]

No, ABud, don't apologize. I realize that the runoff areas really shouldn't be used at all and that your way is really the only solution; I'm just frustrated that I can't adapt without my time suffering a lot. That said, I do now have a lap that is definitely clean and "only" 1.25 seconds slower than my dirty one. I'm probably done now.

Ford GT LM Spec II: 1'07.242 - 2'00.195 - 3'01.507

 

[oldmodelt]

Wanted to be more competetive this race. Took off TCS. Figured I wouldn't need it because Sarthe I is more straights than anything else. Couldn't figure out why my times weren't even in the same ballpark as some of you other guys T's in the GTS class. I know that winning isn't an option unless you all go on vacation at the same time. Messed around with the max speed option. Big diff! Now that's me you see in the rearview mirror. At least the 1st lap.

Abud, that was my problem at LS. The slider was set too high to reach top speed. And used TCS. Slowed me down. Could have easily knocked off 3 mins from my time. LOL.

 

[ABud]

It's always suprising how much of a difference the top speed slider can make to a lap time! I want to get another go at this quali in today, i really could do with picking up a few points here or my championship defence is over

 

[raz_10]

Times sent won't have any more time to improve.
GL all

1'08.549
2'01.402
3'03.107

 

[east]

Sent my time earlier on today. I didnt do too well, and will be lucky to make it in the top 3.

 

[Austin343]

You always say things like that, but we know better than to believe you. Even when you aren't confident, you manage to pull off great performances that still beat all of ours, like last week's. The race is your strongest point, anyway, and that's what counts for the most points, so I don't think you have to worry, especially since if you somehow finish second or third in the race, you'll blow us away in the next race with your reduced weight penalty. 👍

 

[oldmodelt]

Submitted my time. Toughest part was what Austin343 mentioned. Staying between the white lines. Even on S-15 there was room to fudge without failing. Here's hoping that PD puts in the Concrete cones in GT5 so that there are no chicane cuts.

 

[CAMikaze]

Here's the splits from my Qualifying time that I submitted earlier. I'm hoping to get a high starting spot on the GTS grid for the race.

T2: 1'10.538
T4: 2'04.708
T6: 3'06.745​

 

[ABud]

Really frustrated with my quali time, i just couldn't get a quick lap together. Several times i got to T4 over a second ahead of this time only to throw it away later in the lap.

 

[CyborgGT]

I'm going to have to drop out after all. I have very little free time now that school's out and I'm working, so I've been out on all my days off. It's been a few weeks since I've been able to turn on a console. Sucks, this is a fun series.