Have I reached my skill cap?

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over the last week the game has got a bit frustrating for me, I have been qualifying low grid, and driving as hard as I can to hold these lower places, sometimes on a good day I can climb a few, but I have to be on my A game which can lead to mistakes from pushing a bit too hard. infact I've had more mistakes in the past week than I have in previous weeks

I had a look on Kudosprime and it seems my DR has leveled right off at around 47.5k. I was really happy when I reached A grade and have pushed ever since, to almost reach S is so annoying. I'm often in the races with the aliens and they are just way too fast for me!

has anyone else reached a limit they can't break? did you overcome it?
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If you watch the replays of the top10ns they exploit track limits, that is they drive as wide as possible, half the car on the grass, if there are no walls. So, the secret to me is knowing the limits of a given car, plus to know the track inside-out. It can be done even on a controller as a friend of mine comes very close to top10 with one.
 
Get ready for a lot of words!

If you want to improve, this is just a temporary plateau. Your steady rise shows you know how to drive and have improved up until now. The key now is to find a new way to improve.

My graph was pretty similar, with a plateau before finding a way to start increasing again, so I know how frustrating it can be. What worked for me was to focus on the small details and being more selective of the races I entered. I seem to make the same suggestions, so I copied this from a different thread about getting poles, but it is relevant here as well:

1. Pick either a track you are good at or even better a track that people hate (Big Willow maybe?).
2. Keep driving it in time trial mode (with BoP on) in the fastest Gr. 4 and Gr. 3 cars (add in Gr. 1 if you have a lot of time.)
3. Don't quit and retry after every mistake, complete the lap. You want to have a good number of laps to see your best sector times and how consistent you are to hitting them.
4. When doing laps, keep an eye on the +/- time from your fastest lap. After every corner are you gaining or losing time? Correct your driving so that you are either gaining or not losing much time after each corner.
5. Be very mindful of the time gained/lost on long straights. Sometimes you have to sacrifice on entry to get a good exit for a better time.
6. Look at your optimal time (from all of your best sectors combined.) Is your fastest full lap within about 0.2 seconds? If not, then you aren't consistent enough and need to keep refining.
7. Find the sectors you are inconsistent in and focus on those.
8. Do this every day until your track comes up in a daily race. Then do the same practice workout in the Daily Race Qualifying. Don't enter a race until you get a really good time and with all your previous practice, you will know what your best time is.
9. Keep entering that race. No guarantee that you will get pole, but at least you are maximizing your odds. Chances are you will increase your DR a lot in these races and possibly get fast laps/wins as well.
10. After all this, you should be much closer to the top 10 times. If you're satisfied with the results, pick a new track and go back to step 1. Once you "master" a single track, it is a lot easier to get faster times on other tracks. All that work will carry over to other tracks.


Beyond that, you have to dissect each corner a little more to find that extra speed. Think beyond braking, turn in, apex and exit points:
- How much braking power do you need initially and as you approach turn in?
- Can you brake a bit later and use more trail braking?
- Are you in the best gear for that corner? Sometimes it helps to be in a higher gear so you save time shifting down and up, as well as helping to keep the car stable. And the other way as well, do you need to shift up so close to a braking point or is it faster to run it near redline?
- On sections with corners close together, do you want to be pointing straight between corners or is it better to flow them together and "pre-load" your outside tires before turn in?
-There are hundreds of small things you can focus on. Look online or find books about racing to find new ideas.

Also focus on race craft and strategy:
- Practice a tighter entry line that makes it easier to defend without losing too much exit speed.
- Pay attention to where you are gaining or losing time to the drivers around you. Can you plan a pass in their weak spots? Can you find a way to defend your weak spot?
- Is it worth the gamble to attempt a pass? Might not be if you're pitting soon or expect them to.
- Will the driver in front of you go faster if you back off a bit and allow yourselves to separate from the pack?
- Are you losing time by defending and allowing more drivers to catch up?
- Does it make sense to pit a lap or two earlier or later?
 
Hi mate

Thanks DriftMethod

Similar curve here, in fact you have improved your Dr faster than me. I spent over 60 days on Dr B and another 40 days on Dr A.
Driftmethod already provided a very clear and practical way to improve. No more I can add but echo what he said.
1. Focus on 1 or 2 circuits and know the track well.
e.g. What i mean "know the track well" is you can brake at the right place without the distance marks or cones. I found that some races destroy them during the first few laps intentionally. It caused a lot of over shoot or too early braking afterwards.
2. Watch top 10 videos on the same car. One corner by one corner. Again and again.
3. Drive as the top 10 e.g. racing line, brake point, and remember the speed at corner exit
You will find frustrated as you can't do the same as the top 10. Maybe one day in the future. Just try to as close as possible.
4. Keep practice and set yourself the target to break your PB.
5. Go racing once you think you are confident on the track and get a good Q time (e.g. within 1.5-2s for lap time over 2m or within 1.0-1.5 for shorter race).
6. Only race on those tracks then.

I am sure you will get improved. Cheers :cheers:


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Hi, Can i ask where you get theses stats from please, very interested. As for Plateau, i have hit low DR/A, SR/S, find it tough going here, Racing suits me at B/S, bit more room for error.
 
You can always find something new. Discover new ways of doing things and finding other ways to improve yourself. Even just remembering the basics again improves you.
 
I reached my skill limit around 2010/11.

I was always reasonably good at GT – played all the versions except GT2, and managed to gold the licenses/missions/challenges/events with a DS up to getting a wheel a few months in to the life of GT5P.

Once I got used to the wheel, my lap times started to fall, and I competed at a highish level throughout GT5P, GT5 & GT6… qualifying for the UK GT Academy finals in 2010, regularly placing highly in GTP WRS and ranking top 20 whenever I put an effort in to the seasonal TT’s.

But I never made the final jump to ‘alien’… by the end of GT5P, I could race successfully against anyone on-line, but I’d reached my ability ceiling when it came to outright speed… I put a lot of time and effort in, trying to go faster, but the gap between the fastest and me remained pretty consistent.

It’s just the way it is… eventually you will reach a limit set by your hand/eye/feet coordination!

What I would add to this is competitive time trailing is, IMO, the best way to improve your outright speed – although your race craft may improve through racing, I don’t think your car handling and speed will at anywhere near the same rate.
 
Thanks for the advice guys, I don't generally have too much time to devote to the game, what with family and work etc. a couple of hours a night and that's usually spent doing the FIA races!

some good points to take onboard, some I already had figured out, like watching the relative clock. :)
 
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