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- bramturismo
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Head2Head Competition wk64 - Final poll (Winner: Rayquaza)
- Thread starter Bram Turismo
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- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
Sorry for the delay guys, been busy with my driver's license recently 👍
Good luck on the drivers license 
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
hmmm, I voted for the 1st shot (Subaru). I can't understand why it's so lop-sided.
The Subaru has a smoother motion blur, as opposed to jerky.
You can actually see the Subaru, as opposed to the Mitsu being mostly blocked out by dust.
And lastly the Suburu is in a obvious rally drift, and who knows what the Mitsu is doing (looks like it could be the end of a drift from the dust/ blur).
Those are the reasons I voted for the Suburu, even though I personally prefer the Mitsu.
I curious to what qualities made the majority of you (so far) go for the Mitsu.
The Subaru has a smoother motion blur, as opposed to jerky.
You can actually see the Subaru, as opposed to the Mitsu being mostly blocked out by dust.
And lastly the Suburu is in a obvious rally drift, and who knows what the Mitsu is doing (looks like it could be the end of a drift from the dust/ blur).
Those are the reasons I voted for the Suburu, even though I personally prefer the Mitsu.
I curious to what qualities made the majority of you (so far) go for the Mitsu.
- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Can you elaborate on those 'terms' a little, for someone who consistently puts together such superb shots, I expected more insight than just throwing out a few terms.
I'm trying to get a little perspective from the voters, and maybe even learn something too.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
You can't image how funny it is when someone who doesn't know crap about photography use those terms. Especially when the shot is complete crap.In this case, however, he knows what he is saying. I suspect that, at least.
Funny, he wasn't "saying" anything, other than throwing out terms. These comps. are less about actual photography, and more about art and touch-up.
Usually in art terms, the 'focal point' would be the Car and in this case, it seems to me the the eye-moves away from the obscured car toward the dust. True the shot has a more scenic background, but the jerky motion blur makes for a poor background.
The other thing that still bugs me, is the constant use of rear-end shots, the back-end of the vehicle is not where the style-points are on most cars. The rear-end though is usually easier to shoot and touch-up.
-Note, these are my opinions, and I am strongly opinionated.
Hopefully we can get actual discussions on the shots, and maybe we all can learn a little in the process. Rather than just throwing-out terms, try to explain, what you actually liked about the colors, tones, composition, and creativity. Also through that process, everyone's shots should improve (in the eyes of the voters) by knowing what the voters like or dislike, and those with more knowledge in photography and art can enlighten those with less knowledge.
- 12,903
- Cambridge
- Moglet85
- Moglet
He doesn't have to elaborate on those terms, they are all terms I would associate with photography and it's pretty clear that Bram thinks the shot has good colour balance, tones, composition and creativity.
You can't force someone to back up their opinion of what is pleasing to their eye just because you don't agree with it.
Personally I think the photo is very original, is very very well composed and the combination of a green background against a red & white car works very well. The dust works well to keep your eye moving around the image, which is why it looks very interesting every time you view it.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Hey, It happens all the time. Where as one piece of art is technically better, but the other one which disobeys all the traditional 'rules' of art, just catches your eye and makes you like it more. This is where I ask myself WHY, and having a very analytical thought process, try figure out why.
Your right, he doesn't have to elaborate, I was just asking him to.
Asking a question is not trying to force anyone to do anything, why the defensive tone, like I'm attacking him or something. I was asking for, what qualities you guys liked about the shot, asking for explanation to spark discussion. If your just going to throw out terms, why even reply?
See, that's what I'm looking for, actual articulation/ discussion. Thanks for your comments on the shot Moglet.
Guys remember it's all opinion related, no 2 works of art can be truly compared, well unless they both contain all the exact same elements. But every shot can be analyzed for it's pros and cons. I expect negative comments when I lazily put in a entry, but that rarely happens here. It's all in fun, and a pursuit to learn a little, rather it be in cars, setups, photography, art, photoshop, or even just options in GT4.
All I am trying to do is get some actual discussion in a forum, imagine that. Rather than just saying congrats, and I choose so-and-so's shot, we can get to the why, and maybe get a little more out of these contests. Some of us have far more to learn than others, but everyone can learn a little something here.
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- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
Wow, this feels like a huge attack on me right now. But it's my own fault, I felt that I should've informed you more.
What makes me vote for Ray's shot is the fact that it is so much better in my opinion. Better how? Just better, that simple. Ray's shot tells me so much more, I feel as if it's coming alive when I look at it. I can nearly smell the action that is going on in there and it immediatly wants me to fire up my PS2 and play that combo rightaway.
As for the composition, I can't see what's wrong with it. How's NTX' composition more exiting than Ray's? Ray has brought every detail to attention in his entry. From the sharp edges to the car, to the detailed smoke behind it, to the lovely artistic-looking PD in-game blur in the background.
As for colours and toning, Ray's toning levels are far deeper and wider than NTX'. Colours are deep and dark, yet where they are needed, details are brought into exposure. This is where I feel NTX mainly lost the battle because I feel the image as a whole has a too high white-level toning. The whites in every piece of the image seems to get over-exposed without the shadows really being brought out.
I hope my explanation was a little bit better this time. I want to make sure to NTX that I didn't mean to throw his entry off right now, that's why I don't like to go into detail everytime, I fear some members might get put down because of what I say.
What makes me vote for Ray's shot is the fact that it is so much better in my opinion. Better how? Just better, that simple. Ray's shot tells me so much more, I feel as if it's coming alive when I look at it. I can nearly smell the action that is going on in there and it immediatly wants me to fire up my PS2 and play that combo rightaway.
As for the composition, I can't see what's wrong with it. How's NTX' composition more exiting than Ray's? Ray has brought every detail to attention in his entry. From the sharp edges to the car, to the detailed smoke behind it, to the lovely artistic-looking PD in-game blur in the background.
As for colours and toning, Ray's toning levels are far deeper and wider than NTX'. Colours are deep and dark, yet where they are needed, details are brought into exposure. This is where I feel NTX mainly lost the battle because I feel the image as a whole has a too high white-level toning. The whites in every piece of the image seems to get over-exposed without the shadows really being brought out.
I hope my explanation was a little bit better this time. I want to make sure to NTX that I didn't mean to throw his entry off right now, that's why I don't like to go into detail everytime, I fear some members might get put down because of what I say.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Not at all, I usually have a short to-the-point writing style, often soaked with dry-humor or sarcasm; it can come off as abrasive, or even aggressive at times, but none of this is personal.
Heck yes Bram, that is exactly what I was looking for, well actually more than I expected. You made a lot of very good points, thanks man, very good analysis.
- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
- 1,002
Grump: I feel your pain. I am chronically sarcastic, crude and to the point. I just don't sugar coat or mince words....ever.
however, I voted for ray's shot because it seemed more authentic. where you see the subaru as being in a better "rally drift" I see it as a drift for drift's sake. The Mitsu seems to have a better "around a hairpin" rally drift feel to it. it's as if the car was just whipped around a 180 at 50mph, ya know? The colour is more rich, and more varied. the focus is well done, with the car being sharp without being abrasive. everything is in focus, but soft enough to seem real, you know? The dust trail seems thicker and more rally-esque too.
Bram may have used better wording but that's my opinion on ray's shot. I don't want NTX to think that hsis hot wasn't reviewed, but I just think Ray out did him. it happens.
Also interesting that you are sick of the rear shots. in the drift comps, I was frankly sick of the frontal shots. it was nearly redundant.
Bram: I feel your pain too. I used to do full reviews for each shot, but i stopped because i didn't want to offend someone by not saying as much as for others.
however, I voted for ray's shot because it seemed more authentic. where you see the subaru as being in a better "rally drift" I see it as a drift for drift's sake. The Mitsu seems to have a better "around a hairpin" rally drift feel to it. it's as if the car was just whipped around a 180 at 50mph, ya know? The colour is more rich, and more varied. the focus is well done, with the car being sharp without being abrasive. everything is in focus, but soft enough to seem real, you know? The dust trail seems thicker and more rally-esque too.
Bram may have used better wording but that's my opinion on ray's shot. I don't want NTX to think that hsis hot wasn't reviewed, but I just think Ray out did him. it happens.
Also interesting that you are sick of the rear shots. in the drift comps, I was frankly sick of the frontal shots. it was nearly redundant.
Bram: I feel your pain too. I used to do full reviews for each shot, but i stopped because i didn't want to offend someone by not saying as much as for others.
- 4,387
- Lisboa
+ 1 as well.
This looks like the last tournament Final we had, with me against TW. Very similar
- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
Congrats Ray! 👍
- 2,538
- TheSwissLegend
I was gonna say I hadn't seen results like this since....well...then
congrats on the murderous win Ray!
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