help drifting FC RX7 on Laguna Seca

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cityhunter2501

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well i followed cudaman drift guide, and got an Mazda RX7 Infini-III (FC) with same settings on the page.
The problem is when going into turns, it spins to much inside and car stars to run in circle. How do i prevent it and how should i use the brakes?

What i am doing is when going to a corner, i shift gear to 4, brake, then when the car is about to turn, i shift to 3rd, and slightly accelerate.
but all the car would do in the end is spin out.

any help or tips?

btw, anyone know a guide on 4 wheel drift?
 
thats how everyone does when they are learning drift. all you gotta do is keep trying. if you give up, you'll never learn.
 
hmmmm.... driving right would imply not having a problem of spin outs... you just gotta adjust... dont wpin the rear wheels when you have begun the moment that is bringing your car sideways... spining your wheels will spin you out when your goal is to accelerate to reach the optimum grip for you angle... so you can continue sliding more... keeping the car in high revs and gassing too hard will spin you out rather then allow you to drift... i think you are on the right track tho... just try more...

4 wheel drift may not be as showy as you think it is... in 4wheel drift you are using maximum grip on each wheel during cornering with a slight slip angle in most circumstances... if you cannot drift exhibition then 4 wheel drift might be a bit difficult to understand...
 
Don't countersteer a lot when you drift. If you want the car to oversteer, then countersteer, but if you want the car to understeer, don't countersteer as much. Practice that and then you may become a better drifter :)
 
hmmm same problem with me, but im a learnin drifter, im ok with FF driftin, but FR is abit tough 4 me, it spins out as well, i think its cuz im countersteering too much, and thio, u have settings of ur R34 posted anywhere, or could u post em here, cuz my skylines goin nowhere and i need sum setting better than the ones i have now, ty in advance
 
he is using an fc... it may be a bit hard to not counsteer and drift through a corner.... while you may not need to countersteer immediately... you will need to countersteer to prevent oversteer... countersteer provides a moment that opposes the moment creating oversteer and therefore your drift nad can prevent you from spinning out... however if you gas on sims for too long or with a too powerful car or at the wrong time... or in any fashion that creates a loss of grip you will spin and countersteer will not save you...

if you are having a really hard time on sims... and you are using a controller try slicks or super slicks and keep all settings the same... this may help you... but when you get good at it come back to sims for the real nice drifts... slicks are great fun tho
 
Originally posted by JDM-AE86
hmmm same problem with me, but im a learnin drifter, im ok with FF driftin, but FR is abit tough 4 me, it spins out as well, i think its cuz im countersteering too much, and thio, u have settings of ur R34 posted anywhere, or could u post em here, cuz my skylines goin nowhere and i need sum setting better than the ones i have now, ty in advance
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You don't need to countersteer all the time. In my earlier drifts with my Skyline, I never countersteered but I had enough angle to drift the corner. Some of you may have seen my drift on Tokyo Turn 4. That's a great example. The thing is, the drift angle has to be maintained when the car is skidding or else there's too much oversteer/understeer.
 
Originally posted by Thio
Don't countersteer a lot when you drift. If you want the car to oversteer, then countersteer, but if you want the car to understeer, don't countersteer as much. Practice that and then you may become a better drifter :)
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:D
 
You can try what my friend did. For a while he use normal tires up front, and sim tires in the back, which made countersteering more effective. Once he got good with that he switched over to full sims (only a few days ago actually) and now he says hes been doing really good with them.
 
ty guys, im gonna have to try tomorrow cuz i gotta sleep, work tomorrow too, but right now i can pretty much do a perfect run on Apricot Hill with my Civic Type R with settings i found here, except 4 the LONG U turn that goes into the hairpin, i cant seem to hold the drift that long, i have 2 do 2 seperate drifts, i saw sum1 else do that whole turn in one fell swoop, ok well time to go to bed
 
ff... totally different than fr or 4wd... thio you need not countersteer with 4wd more of hte time than with fr just because 4wd even with 10% front torque dist will apply torque to both front and rear wheels... in a sense its harder to maintain grip on front wheels while loosing grip on rear... the essence of a spin out or the innitiation of a drift... so when exiting hte drift... the 4wd car will natually do so if hte correct slip angle was found at he beginning of the drift and speed and such are compenstated for... the full throttle approach to the drift will bring you out nicely without countersteer because countersteer is simulated by the torque given to the front wheels, which utilizes their friction and therefore creates a moment that will create understeer and take you out of drift... countersteer is still used in 4wd drifting tho if the drift needs correcting... in speed line or slip angle... i dunno if that made any sense... i am tired and should be studying midterm tomorrow dam sumer school

apricot hill is great to practice on... and that first turn is the best when you get it you feel good... try it with an mr car... responds better to input than fr in my opinion... try like the speedster at 300hp or so... that is the car i learned that corner in... try no handbrake and a braking ot fient drift... with the civic you are using handbrake right...???...
 
The Civic has to use a handbrake because there is no other possible way to get the tail swinging since the loss of traction is harder to get on FF cars. Unless you're really good and you know how to drift a FF car without pulling the handbrake, then I would like to be your friend :D

You're right about the countersteering on a 4WD. Since some of the power is going to the front wheel, it can induce understeer and that's why 4WD's don't countersteer that much, unless the car has much more power going to the rear wheels in which the car would have the fundamental principles of a FR car. The thing with cityhunter2501's drift is that he spins out drifting the corners of Laguna Seca. From experience of drifting my Skyline, I know that when the driver countersteers, the car tends to oversteer more than when the driver doesn't countersteer. It's happened on my RX-7 and on my Supra. I would only countersteer when the corner is big, like the big U-Turn on Apricot Hill because the turning radius as you can say of the car drifting is bigger than if not countersteering.

Which part of San Francisco do you live in? Wanna have a drift comp? :mischievous: Just kidding :P
 
ic, yeah right now im using combo taps 2 get the civic into a clean drift, i tap break and then do a accel and hand brake combo, then i jsut tap the accel and when i feel its losing power, i downshift and hold down accel, i can get the car to drift w/o HB though, i jsut swing it out to the opposite side to gain more momentum, it works ok, but u cant really control it, i really need to try those R34 settings, i think they'd help alot, hey all u guys live in the Bay Area, im in Santa Clara, what part of San Jose u in Thio?
 
hey my gf goes to scu... lol

right now i am actually in berkeley... but i live in westportal part of sf... my gt3 aint there tho... its with me at all times...

hey jdm... try using a car other than ff... and remember have enough speed entering htat long u and brake sorta in the middle because the second part is sharper than the first... that is how i do it... i begin a fient drift at high speeds and use the brakes to slow down and clear the corner with an even steeper angle at hte second part... i think this is how most people do it becuase the smoke in the first part is never shown due to teh shadow of hte mountain so you can never really see if they are hard core loosing grip.. which would be extremely difficult to do... parctice and dont get too mad at the dirt... its the best doing it in the races... i did it in the espirit porf and i had a nice drift through passing an ai car real close.. oh man it was beautiful...
 
oh yeah i would be your friedn too if you could drift ff without handbrake and could actually explain or show it to me...
 
adn thio you are absolutely correct that he radius of hte cars turn is bigger while countersteering... in essence the wheels on the front of hte car will still turn and less speed will be lost... with wheels straight the car will loose speed faster because the wheels are not as free to spin... at least withoug power given to them... and cause a deacceleration to occur... and everyone knows that with lower speed tighter radius are achievable... which is y i only countersteer to correct myself from spinning out... usually in fr or mr cars... and let myself slide initially without countersteer in haipins to slow myself down... its all a feeling you have to create huh... its hard to explain what you do... you just do it after a while and you dont really have to think about it anymore... in general oversteer can be achieved by applying power to your rear wheels and understeer can be achieved slightly by laying off gas and sharply by braking for short amounts of time... sttering helps you keep your ideal line as well...
 
Originally posted by bengee
oh yeah i would be your friedn too if you could drift ff without handbrake and could actually explain or show it to me...
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me? and also, i dun jsut do FF drifting, i do 4wd also, i have a 22b set up and its workin pretty well, i jsut started usin it a few days ago and im still to try it on Apricot, i wanna c if i can do the large U this time around, FR has been teh biggest burden 4 me, i dunno, ill try it again with the R34 and c what happens, but either way ty to all 4 the tips
 
i wasnt that good at fr or mr when i first started too... after about i week i got hooked on 4wd like the evos 400r 22b sti wagons and the vr4... after i got pretty good at those cars i went back to fr and mr and i could drift nicely... i think that 4wd teaches you alot about control of a drift because its much moreresponsive and shows you the result of braking letting of gas and gassing relatively well... i mean in an obvious manner... i tend to have more hp for 4wd just because the power is split between the wheels... easier to exceed traction limit... i usually use around 400-700 depending on car weight... have fun and tell us when you are great... rally cars a great to drift on tarmac too... gets you ready for the rally races lol
 
Originally posted by JDM-AE86
FR has been teh biggest burden 4 me, i dunno, ill try it again with the R34 and c what happens, but either way ty to all 4 the tips
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R34 isnt FR...or were you just saying you were going to try that big u-bend again? good FR cars to try are any of the silvias, and the FC3S. the FD3S has a little more traction...but it isnt as showy with its drift.
 
to learn an fd would be easier because spin is less likely... i dont htink he thinks r34 is fr... i think he was going with 4wd first and then fr... but i could be wrong
 
Originally posted by bengee
adn thio you are absolutely correct that he radius of hte cars turn is bigger while countersteering... in essence the wheels on the front of hte car will still turn and less speed will be lost... with wheels straight the car will loose speed faster because the wheels are not as free to spin... at least withoug power given to them... and cause a deacceleration to occur... and everyone knows that with lower speed tighter radius are achievable... which is y i only countersteer to correct myself from spinning out... usually in fr or mr cars... and let myself slide initially without countersteer in haipins to slow myself down... its all a feeling you have to create huh... its hard to explain what you do... you just do it after a while and you dont really have to think about it anymore... in general oversteer can be achieved by applying power to your rear wheels and understeer can be achieved slightly by laying off gas and sharply by braking for short amounts of time... sttering helps you keep your ideal line as well...
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Some drifters have like a sixth sense of whether or not the car will oversteer or understeer. It's all due to lots and lots of practice :)
 
yup... its all due to the experience gained with drifting and experimenting and thinking about what is happening... with cars i already drift well with... when i get tired in the early mornin hours i actually drive faster and my replays are more spectacular... and no its not cause i am tired... i start to not really pay attention and let my hands work the controller like they should without really thinking about what i should do... i only do this on cars that dont go above 140-150 mph before drifts because if i didnt pay attention it would be too late to late break going a bit faster... (i rarely lighten my cars)

well i forgot what this thread was about...so i guess its pretty much over huh... what cars do you like to drift thio and jdm ae86???
 
even with 10% vcd 4wd is not really fr... it will still behave as a 4wd but approximate an fr vehicle much of hte time... torque will still be dist to front wheels... and countersteer is not needed as much as fr
 

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