Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe

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So I've been working on this car for a few hours now, and I just can't seem to find a stable setup with it. My little brother bought it, and dumped most of my money into it, so i'd like to actually get some use out of it in the european races.

I'd just like it to handle like my s2000, I've even tried my fav s2000 settings and a few others from my tuned FR cars. I've definately developed a killer drift car so far... but I need it to stick. Is this even possible with sports tires?

I'm going to run some laps at some more familiar tracks and see what I come up with. I'll post my settings in a few minutes... anyone care to help in the meantime?

stage 2 turbo (312hp)
full race everything
stage 3 weight reduc
rigidity and rollcage
kitchen sink
 
okay here's my settings... I'm testing at Tsukuba and pulling consistant 58.40's laps.

sports soft tires

spring 8.9 / 9.2
height 97 / 97
bound 5 / 5
rebound 10 / 10
camber 2.0 / 1.0
stabs 1 / 3

brakes 10 / 10

downforce 30 /30

lsd 5 / 15 / 5

no driving aids.


this is nearly the same exact setup as I run in my s2000 which I got from this board, except for the bound and rebound is opposite.

The car feels a little unstable under braking, just a hair loose. It turns great off the throttle, but once I try to accelerate it goes from a moderate understeer to crazy loose once the tires break free. It's really fun to drive and drift, but it just doesnt feel fast off the corners.

Anyone else have one of these cars to compare setups with me?
 
Hi! This car's pretty fun to drive once you get the hang of it.
I'm pretty new to GT4 but, here's the setting I used for this car. Its pretty easy to beat the French Championship European Event.

Upgrades:
-Racing Exhaust
-Racing Chip
-Racing Brakes and Brake Balance Controller
-Racing Suspension
-Stage 2 Turbine (to get more A spec points in the French championship, you can settle for NA tune up 1-3 or Turbo stage 1)
-NOS (adjusted to 80)
-Fully Customizable LSD
-GT Wing
-Misc: Stage 3 weight reduction/Port polish/Engine balancing/Stiffness

Brake settings:
Front: 10
Rear: 12
(this car's brakes are quite weak, so I set them up high to get a decent response)

LSD settings:
Init - 8
Accel- 32
Decel-16

Downforce settings:
Front: 20
Rear: 30

Transmission settings:
1st gear: 2.330
2nd gear: 1.618
3rd gear: 1.203
4th gear: 0.936
5th gear: 0.762
6th gear: 0.650
Final: 3.950
Auto: 9
(PS: Do the tranny trick)

Suspension settings:
Springs: 6.8/8.9
Ride height: 82/85
S.Bound: 6/7
S.Rebound: 8/9
Camber: 2.2-3.0/0.7 (Adjust front camber as you wish. The higher the angle, the more the vehicle tends to drift. I personally set it to 2.4)
Toe: 0/0
Stabilisers: 5/6

Tires:
Front: Sport Medium
Rear: Sport Hard

Driving Assist settings:
ASM Over: 1
ASM Under: 2
TCS: 3

It handles corners and accelerates fairly well but sometimes tend to skid till it drifts if you steer to one side too much and accelerate, but this set-up is mostly for grip racing with this baby :)
Have fun trying this setting! =D
 
I personally would run harder springs, and turn both ASM to 0... but I will try it out first. Been looking for a set-up for this car... not worried about A-spec points, I think a Clio or Xantia would be a better choice.
 
hey Zephyron, I tried your settings and the car definately seems more stable but alot slower... Can you post some lap times with these settings so I can see if Im driving it right?

I haven't been able to break the 1'00 mark at tsukuba without nitrous.
 
Did 59'6 if it's worth anything to ya. The car had all upgrades including stiffener and wing, tuned on sport tires.
brakes 3/3
springs 7.8/7.8
height 92/132
bound 7/6
rebound 8/7
camber 2.7/1.8
stabilizer 5/5
asm/o 0
asm/u 0
tcs 2
downforce 30/30
lsd 12/42/20
enjoy

PS If those are the setting you are still using on your s2000, I have a tune you will REALLY enjoy, just tell me which version.
:sly:
 
I changed a few settings with the car to get it to run slightly better IMO

Yeah, its hard breaking the 1 minute barrier at Tsukuba with this vehicle w/o NOS =/

A few things changed
Weakened the brakes: 8/11
Changed the camber angle: 3.3/1.2 (turns better, but at the risk of entering a drift. Adjust the rear camber as you'd like to counter this)
Downforce tune: 25/30
LSD change: 8/27/16

Also, tranny trick:
Bring the Auto seting all the way to 25 and move the 'final' up to 5.000
Then, bring the Auto down to 1 and the 'final' down to 3.142.
 
Tuned down the downforce to 10/30
Switched the transmission Final setting down to 3.000
Driving aids: 1/0/1

New Tsukuba Circuit time: 58.343sec when making 2 cornering errors. I think this setting should be decent enough for the car =)
 
Zephyron
I changed a few settings with the car to get it to run slightly better IMO

Weakened the brakes: 8/11
.
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The "brake balance controller" is not a brake strength controller, it controls the braking force bias between front and rear and also the relative threshold of braking where the ABS becomes active. Reducing numbers usually "strengthens" brakes, rather than weakening them (actually it has nothing to do with brake strength, the proper term would be "improve"), because it allows the ABS to work earlier to prevent loss of traction.
For reference, my earlier posted time of 59.6 seconds was for a lap at Tsukuba without nitrous (or "tranny trick") using the settings posted above. The gears were default, actually.
 
rk, those settings look alot like what I worked up to after about 3 hours of tuning... all except for the ride height and the camber. I switched back to the s2000 base settings because i thought it was an FR. :dunce:

I can't wait to try out your settings, same with zeph's new ones.

I'd love some s2000 settings, im just running a S2000 Type V I think... thanks!
 
I did a search and couldn't find any settings for the S2000 you're looking for. I'll start a new thread with the settings.

Pete
 
OK, here's some collaged pics about my run in Tsukuba and the set-up I used for it.
Tinkered with things before I finally settled with this.

Hommel Berlinnette R/S Coupe '99 settings by me

I had my B-spec driver do the free run first, then I A-specced it and followed his line for 1 lap before I did some of my own cornering in the sharp corners to outspeed him, so I came up with that time =)
B-spec times don't show up on the lap session anywayz.
 
Zeph were you using nitrous for the 58'4 time? Just curious because I've only been able to pull a 58'1, and that's with nitrous on your setup. I think my best was a 59'6 without nitrous.

I was able to run a 59.2 without nitrous on rk's setup, but I only tested for 5-6 laps.
 
Nope, wasn't using Nitrous at all.

My B-spec driver himself can do a higher end 58 sec with this setting at pace 3 (5 at the straightaway, it worksapparently), so I just followed his line and outdid him at the very last hairpin corner of the track by making a smaller turn and using gear 1 at half-throttle to out-accelerate him when making the turn. Did it on my 3rd lap running and I'm new to the GT series too, so if I can do it, I'm sure you can =)

I've got a vid of my B-spec driver doing the run geting 59.451sec with this setting though, but I have no idea where to upload it x.X
If you could follow his line and pull off some tricks of your own when cornering, then you'd be able to get 58s too, but it'll take some time.

Gonna try rk's setting as well later on =)

PS: Remember the tranny trick!
 
If you stiffen the rear springs considerably as compared to the front springs, it will greatly reduce the oversteer. On the Hommell (just ran the French races this evening myself in that car), I have the rear springs set much higher then the fronts as the Hommel oversteers quite badly.

So, in MR cars, stiffen the rear springs much more than you would in a front-engined car and you'll probably be happier. You don't want to do it too much or you'll lose some of the advantage of the MR design - which you'll probably come to love if you drive them some more (try the Lotus Elise, my favorite machine in the game).

My Hommel settings:

springs F/R: 9.5 / 15
bound 5 / 8
rebound 6 / 9

The car handles fine now (actually, with those settings, it feels like most of the other MR cars in the game do without any tweaking - I think the Hommel must have pretty crappy weight-distribution).
 
oh crap, I've been trying to set this car up with Sports tires for the European races. see my first post? lol, i never even tried race tires on this beast.

well zeph, your settings are pretty good with race, the car still exhibits some understeer on acceleration but that can probably be fixed by removing the asm/tcs.

I was able to pull a 57'609 after about 8 laps on your exact setup with the race tires, and I can say it's a world of difference, good job.

back to tuning with sports tires.
 
moop
oh crap, I've been trying to set this car up with Sports tires for the European races. see my first post? lol, i never even tried race tires on this beast.

well zeph, your settings are pretty good with race, the car still exhibits some understeer on acceleration but that can probably be fixed by removing the asm/tcs.

I was able to pull a 57'609 after about 8 laps on your exact setup with the race tires, and I can say it's a world of difference, good job.

back to tuning with sports tires.
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My tune was set on matched sport mediums and matched sport softs. It was practice mode, so there was no wear and traction seemed almost identical. I believe my recent tunes are almost "arcade default" and as such are seeming less vulnerable to the differences between traction levels. Bottom line is. the tune was set on sport tires but should work fine on racing too, enjoy.
BTW, I am going to work up that S2000 tune, should take me anywhere from 1 hour to 24 (this time tomorrow). I will start a new post and link you.

edit: here is the s2000, hope you enjoy it
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1666207#post1666207
 
Ack, i've been outdone *lol*

Oh well, I've been an average gamer at best anyway =D

Totally forgot that the French championships required sports tires.
 
I'm a bit lost now...

Anyone have a set-up they can list for a non-NOS, no-downforce Hommell on S3 tyres?? I'm looking for miniumum understeer - a well balanced car that doesn't drift. I don't mind the back stepping out a little bit (and I mean a little bit!)

Cheers.
 

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