Honest Opinions about RM cars READ OP

[Lock2Lock]

First off before we go on this is about RMs (race modified cars) not LMP/LM/GT300/GT500 cars. I would like to say this is a thread to discuss the race modified cars for drifting in COMPETITIONS mainly and general drifting too.

I am just wanting to hear the communities regards to them. Discussion to the true benefits of them VS the opening of seeing a few new cars in the playing field.

I honestly believe that the only benefit to them is having downforce on both front and rear that yes can provide a little advantage in factors such as speed and stability. I must say after the last few recent updates they have been restricted on how much downforce that can actually be applied to make speed VS stability while getting angle. The way the game's physics were before when they were basically frowned upon was yeah pretty much correct.

After playing around with them again it seems as the last few physics updates have corrected the problems with wind resistance. As you can see just by adding a rear wing to your normal drift cars.

But anyway i feel as they are not as bad as a threat to normal cars anymore as they used to be. I want to see what the rest of the community has to say. Maybe try them out again and play around with them before they continue to be frowned upon. Because there isn't any performance (as in HP and Weight) advantages than the normal cars

I want this to be a discussion not a argument. So with that said if I see a lot of bickering I will just close the thread. I think we can all talk like adults so please let's keep it that way. I also I want this to be a factual discussion and honest opinions from personal experiences with the cars now. I mean i am just trying to see what the problems are with them now since the latest updates.

Maybe some testing and tuning later in the week to see like i have.




Anyway thanks for your comments.

 

[Eric1512]

I do not mind RM cars, I was chasing a RM S15 with not problem last night. Now cars like the RM Camaro will have to be limited somehow. I do not use any car over 600 PP, anything above that is just overkill.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I do not mind RM cars, I was chasing a RM S15 with not problem last night. Now cars like the RM Camaro will have to be limited somehow. I do not use any car over 600 PP, anything above that is just overkill.

Yeah i know what you mean about the comaro. But that car is stupid fast anyway hahahahahahaha. And yeah I mean with the normal HP restrictions in comps but just allowing these cars in rooms period again

 

[Eric1512]

I actually feel like we should start doing comps by PP, they seem a lot closer in comparison. You select a PP, any cars over that limit stock are out, I think it would work out cool.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I actually feel like we should start doing comps by PP, they seem a lot closer in comparison. You select a PP, any cars over that limit stock are out, I think it would work out cool.

Yeah i just would like to see them come back i mean a lot of people hate on the Blitz and AEM when they are even real drift cars. I like the stock look too but sometimes it just gets old you know . I mean i hate to continue to see "oh your in a race car" for a RM not a LMP or something like that. I mean they realistically do not have anything more besides that front wing besides that they are the same in the performance.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Well, RM cars have downforce on the front end... any advantage is an advantage. But then again, if you want equality on the cars, everyone should use just one car. Then it will be equal.

My opinion? As have been said in many many threads, over different subjects. It is all about common sense. Your RM car is being too fast to follow other people? Get something slower, you don't have to be fast all the time! Specially when it comes to drifting...

Ok, let's suppose you like to be fast... well, go ahead and be really careful. Simple, not hard, not complicated. Have a common sense and put in mind that you are not alone in the track.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Well, RM cars have downforce on the front end... any advantage is an advantage. But then again, if you want equality on the cars, everyone should use just one car. Then it will be equal.

My opinion? As have been said in many many threads, over different subjects. It is all about common sense. Your RM car is being too fast to follow other people? Get something slower, you don't have to be fast all the time! Specially when it comes to drifting...

Ok, let's suppose you like to be fast... well, go ahead and be really careful. Simple, not hard, not complicated. Have a common sense and put in mind that you are not alone in the track.

They are not faster though. Like i said before. They actually never had a performance advantage. They had a downforce advantage which has been changed in the recent updates.

Since the updates the wings are greatly affected by small adjustments now. So it isn't really a advantage anymore. That's what I am seeing now.

 

[JR86]

The RM (and TC) cars are good I feel to use for drifting but in competitions, it could be a concern about vehicle speed. Then again, limits can be set on RM and TC cars to even the field. I personally like the TC FD in particular. The car has the style of a low and wide D1GP car which I love, and the car itself is relatively easy to control and has good balance and power

 

[Lock2Lock]

The RM (and TC) cars are good I feel to use for drifting but in competitions, it could be a concern about vehicle speed. Then again, limits can be set on RM and TC cars to even the field. I personally like the TC FD in particular. The car has the style of a low and wide D1GP car which I love, and the car itself is relatively easy to control and has good balance and power

True very true.

Which I haven't tried the TC models for drifting since a long time ago but I am sure they will be fixed like the RMs too.

 

[Aquarelle]

I can't speak for competitions so I don't really know what I can contribute, but I'll try anyway.

I was drifting with a bloke in a RM Silvia and he really didn't have much speed over my Z, so I think that with the proper restrictions it really wouldn't be too bad.

With the downforce at a minimum the RM/TC cars do feel rather stable and grippy, so maybe they'd have an advantage over the road cars, but then perhaps the RM cars could be judged in a different way to accommodate for that fact?

My time drifting with RM/TC cars has been rather pleasant so I haven't developed any bias or hatred towards them. So from a strictly objective viewpoint I don't see any problem with them joining in.
However that objective viewpoint is also inexperienced in competitions so take that for what it's worth.

 

[Robbyelder]

Well mabey Lock2Lock we could get them into the formula drift season this year as mabey a pro class but do remember the NSX can also be made RM so watch out.

 

[miko1337]

In my opinion they should be allowed. I should be able to have a little bit of downforce on my 300HP elise vs. a 600HP camaro, It just evens out competition.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Well one thing I found out a few hours ago it that the tire withe on the the 1998 Comaro Z28 RM and 1970 Challenger RM with the stock rims and tires it gives you on the RM. They are significantly wider in the rear which adds a lot of grip. Buy if you switch those rims with another set it feels the same as the none RM version (with no down force added same tune though)

So with the stock rims and tires on them this IS INFACT a true advantage. So those rims and tires would have to be off it.

Basically what i am getting at is the use of the cars as in a new visual aspects because some people like the body kits and stickers and number. Not saying it is necessary but it is true some do. But i wouldn't want them in if there was a unfair advantage which with out stock RM spec rims and tires it don't see a true advantage.

 

[Aquarelle]

Well one thing I found out a few hours ago it that the tire withe on the the 1998 Comaro Z28 RM and 1970 Challenger RM with the stock rims and tires it gives you on the RM. They are significantly wider in the rear which adds a lot of grip. Buy if you switch those rims with another set it feels the same as the none RM version (with no down force added same tune though)

So with the stock rims and tires on them this IS INFACT a true advantage. So those rims and tires would have to be off it.

Basically what i am getting at is the use of the cars as in a new visual aspects because some people like the body kits and stickers and number. Not saying it is necessary but it is true some do. But i wouldn't want them in if there was a unfair advantage which with out stock RM spec rims and tires it don't see a true advantage.

Wait changing the rims changes the tyre width?

Why did I have to learn this when I can't drive to try it out D=

 

[JustDrift893]

You "bought" GT5 right ? You payed $$ for the game, so play it however you want.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Wait changing the rims changes the tyre width?

Why did I have to learn this when I can't drive to try it out D=

Only some cars and on those two there's a significant amount of grip between the stock rims and tires vs. The car RMed with a different set of rims and tires.

 

[Aquarelle]

Only some cars and on those two there's a significant amount of grip between the stock rims and tires vs. The car RMed with a different set of rims and tires.

So it's not as significant with say the Silvia for example? that's a shame.. I really quite like the look of the RM silvia but I do find it a touch too grippy for my taste

 

[sparkozz]

^^ Thats why its race mod.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Well, RM cars have downforce on the front end... any advantage is an advantage. But then again, if you want equality on the cars, everyone should use just one car. Then it will be equal.

The one part of the drifting community I do like, is that uniqueness in car choice. People will try just about any rear-wheel-driven car.

Yes, a lot of people will use Silvias/180SXs/200SXs/240SXs, etc., but even those are different (at least different looking) and from different countries.

The second you put everyone in the drifting community in one car, it loses its tastes; such a huge portion of what I think inspires drifters is the choice in cars, and not being confined to what's been homologated by the Series Director of a racing series.

 

[Lock2Lock]

^^ Thats why its race mod.

Actually the cars you are able to Race Mod have no distinct class that they fall under. They technically could be race car/drift car what ever. There isn't a class that they fall under. So basically when someone says race mod the Blitz and AEM are one too in my book (which they are real life drift cars).

The one part of the drifting community I do like, is that uniqueness in car choice. People will try just about any rear-wheel-driven car.

Yes, a lot of people will use Silvias/180SXs/200SXs/240SXs, etc., but even those are different (at least different looking) and from different countries.

The second you put everyone in the drifting community in one car, it loses its tastes; such a huge portion of what I think inspires drifters is the choice in cars, and not being confined to what's been homologated by the Series Director of a racing series.

Exactly that's all I am trying to do here. Before these cars had a big advantage on the normal versions of the cars.
BUT now there is NOT a true advantage with them anymore.

So the terms race mod yeah sure people can nit pick the term. But in all reality it is like i said above where I quoted the other guy.

 

[GhostZ]

Given that you can customize a non-RM car to extreme specs as a drift car anyway with the normal parts, RM doesn't have much to offer.

I am of the opinion that compared to their stock counterparts, the ONLY advantages of RM are:

Stiffer Chassis
Wider tread
Downforce
Lower Weight

The power boost is negligible, especially once you get into transmission tuning.

Control which cars have the wider tread and downforce, and all of the others will be fair game. With comparable drivers, pitting a non-RM Silvia vs a Camaro SS is going to be just a brutal as an RM silvia vs an RM Camaro SS. Hell, it might be as brutal as an RM Silvia vs a non-RM Camaro SS.

 

[Tantalus]

I'm drifting a S15 as my standard car, but also use the S15 RM (with custom wheels and 20-20 downforce) as it is my teams signature car. Before the update i did everything to make the RM slower, but now the difference in speed of the two is a small one. The main difference i feel is the stability u get from the downforce, but i'm still one of the slower drifters (described as "scary to chase" because of my lack of speed by a M3 GTR drifter (a very good one)). I've been chasing S15 RM quite alot lately with my normal S15 and there's no problem at all.

So, my honest opinion: S15 RM in competition should be ok (can't say that about the other RM, cause i didn't have time to test those)

take care

 

[Natalia90]

I like RMs,I use Camaro SS RM and S15 RM for drifting or D1^^

 

[eddyac]

The S15 RM is okay for me but all the others are way to fast.

 

[Robbyelder]

So lock say I run a Z06RM vs a regular tuned z06. Are you saying by modding the wheels they will run equally. If so lets push this to the top and lets see more RM's in comps just to prove your point!

 

[Lock2Lock]

So lock say I run a Z06RM vs a regular tuned z06. Are you saying by modding the wheels they will run equally. If so lets push this to the top and lets see more RM's in comps just to prove your point!

what i was talking about is the 1969 Z28 Comaro RM and 1970 Challenger RM. When you race modify them look at the rims and tires it gives you. Then go change the rims. You will see a big difference on the tire tread size from the two. Which through testing the cars out there's a difference in grip.

Try it yourself buy two of those then race modify them on one of the cars change the rims after you race modify them. Put the same tune say comfort hards and do a few runs on a section with one then do it with the other one. You should notice you are having to use different throttle patterens to hold the same line. One of them will push to the inside more the other will slide to the outside more.

There is nothing different between its none race moded version and the race moded version IF THE RIMS ARE CHANGED ON THE RACE MODED VERSION. Sure like it has been said before the front downforce can be adjusted but after the many updates since this topic has last been talked about there is not any true advantage. I believe that PD has fixed the downforce problems from being a un-fare advantage like it was before.




But with more testing i honestly believe that the Z06 RM vs the Z06 or ZR1 RM vs ZR1 ect. will not show anything different.
Reason i say this is because in all reality there's nothing different between the cars far as physics if you match the cars accordingly like i did with the 1969 Z28 and 1970 Challenger


If anyone wants to see what i was trying out go ahead and try what i said with the Comaro and Challenger

 

[Drift_Monkey]

just an FYI for everyone reading this thread. Tyre tread Doesn't change a car's grip level in the game. When you racemod a car, the tyre tread isn't the reason for added grip. FACT.

And in my opinion. Anything with the word "RACE" in the name is for RACING! In most real world competitions you can't even put a ballast all the way in the back because they're trying to get fair grip levels between cars. Why should we destroy the culture by taking racing cars and battling with them.

 

[Lock2Lock]

just an FYI for everyone reading this thread. Tyre tread Doesn't change a car's grip level in the game. When you racemod a car, the tyre tread isn't the reason for added grip. FACT.

And in my opinion. Anything with the word "RACE" in the name is for RACING! In most real world competitions you can't even put a ballast all the way in the back because they're trying to get fair grip levels between cars. Why should we destroy the culture by taking racing cars and battling with them.

You didn't read what I wrote. It is only on the two of those that is a significant difference IN GRIP. Try it that was one of the funniest things about doing this test. I didn't believe it either till those two cars. So make sure you would try it before you deny it being so on those cars. I assure you if you try what i said with one of those two cars you will see what I am talking about. Which will make you take back that FACT part because it blew my mind too.


And yeah drift monkey you know as well as I do that i live drifting and wouldn't try anything to ruin the drift culture. But with that said. Those Race modified cars DO NOT HAVE A TRUE CLASS for anything in GT5. They can be for anything. Also they are the same thing as the Blitz as far as I am concerned. Race modified to me is like the Blitz or any car in GT5 if you really want to get technical (reinforced chassis/roll cage lightened weight/defusers) the term is varied.

Also remember all i am doing is proving that they really have no real advantage to them (at least like they did before)

Some people like the professional look to where they have that stickered/wing/body kit/roll cage/ect (funny thing is I do NOT like it). Call it weird I am testing all of this out for kicks. But someone asked me to prove to them the advantage between RM and none RM and i became amazed. So i am posting my findings like those two cars having a advantage with the stock RMed rims and tires VS the RM cars with different rims (which DOES ADD a higher grip level because how wide the one set is on the stock RM rims and tires)


You know you never see me with a RM cars in a lobby drift monkey. And i probably know about what part does what than a lot of people so I wouldn't make this stuff up just to do it. I just want everyone to be more accepting to things (within reason) that's all.

 

[Drift_Monkey]

You didn't read what I wrote. It is only on the two of those that is a significant difference IN GRIP. Try it that was one of the funniest things about doing this test. I didn't believe it either till those two cars. So make sure you would try it before you deny it being so on those cars. I assure you if you try what i said with one of those two cars you will see what I am talking about. Which will make you take back that FACT part because it blew my mind too.


And yeah drift monkey you know as well as I do that i live drifting and wouldn't try anything to ruin the drift culture. But with that said. Those Race modified cars DO NOT HAVE A TRUE CLASS for anything in GT5. They can be for anything. Also they are the same thing as the Blitz as far as I am concerned. Race modified to me is like the Blitz or any car in GT5 if you really want to get technical (reinforced chassis/roll cage lightened weight/defusers) the term is varied.

Also remember all i am doing is proving that they really have no real advantage to them (at least like they did before)

Some people like the professional look to where they have that stickered/wing/body kit/roll cage/ect (funny thing is I do NOT like it). Call it weird I am testing all of this out for kicks. But someone asked me to prove to them the advantage between RM and none RM and i became amazed. So i am posting my findings like those two cars having a advantage with the stock RMed rims and tires VS the RM cars with different rims (which DOES ADD a higher grip level because how wide the one set is on the stock RM rims and tires)


You know you never see me with a RM cars in a lobby drift monkey. And i probably know about what part does what than a lot of people so I wouldn't make this stuff up just to do it. I just want everyone to be more accepting to things (within reason) that's all.

Testing out the contact patch of a car in a striaght line is gt5 will give different results... sideways are all the same tyre characteristics.

You can't compare a race-modded car to a D1 car. First off the D1 car is a replica of the real car which has certain limitations because of the D1 rules. Not the same rules as racing. So, in a sense, a D1 car in GT5 isn't "Race Modded". It has a body kit but it's purpose isn't the same. A spoiler helps stability but you would never see front spoilers like time attack or touge cars like the Amemiya or GT1.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

D1 cars: go sideways fast

race cars: go fast sideways.



Just wanted to mention, race cars are normally going too fast to regain control, unless it's Jason Plato in a front-wheel drive car. But, drifters intentionally slow down a long time before the corner, to avoid going too fast to regain control.

It's not always the cars, sometimes it actually is the drivers.

Drifters aren't trying to go quickly. They don't care about going 140 km/h through Paddock Hill Bend. In fact, drifters most likely wouldn't even end up doing a competition run through PHB. So, you're essentially comparing apples to oranges.

And, before thinking that I'm weird for mentioning Jason Plato's "moment," consider that Jason Plato's Chevrolet has (essentially) the same figures (horsepower, weight and downforce) as the Integra RM.

Imagine trying to drift the Integra RM; it wouldn't work. The Integra RM normally tends to go straight, and when someone bumps it, it recovers from the skid quickly. It doesn't stay sideways; it doesn't drift. It's a touring car, basically.

However, the Silvia RM is a much more multipurpose car. I can drift it on comfort hards, just as well as I can race it with sports tires or above. That still comes down to a difference in driving styles.