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- GBO-Possum
After a long and bitter winter here, the prospect of an extra hour of warming sunlight a day is very attractive. Even if it does cause the curtains to fade faster. I can live with that.
Hooray for Daylight Saving
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It's not for another week and two days.
RocZX
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With the middle bit being DST. 👍
No the middle is the summer solstice not DST.
Date - Rise. - Set - length of sunlight
Mar 7, 2014 - 6:21 AM 5:54 PM 11h 33m
Mar 8, 2014- 6:19 AM 5:55 PM 11h 36m
The start of DST
Mar 9, 2014- 7:17 AM 6:56 PM 11h 38m
Mar 10, 2014- 7:16 AM 6:57 PM 11h 41m
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=179&month=3&year=2014&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1
DST has no effect on the length of the day. The sun will be out for about 11h30m the day before the start of DST and day after. It only increase cause of the spinning/ tlit of the earth.
There is place that don't do DST the length of the day will be the same in those places as it is in places that do DST, just because summer solstices(longest day of the year) happens during DST doesn't mean that DST will make the day longer.
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DST doesn't give any extra hour of warming sun. The tilt of the Earth's axis does that. There would be longer sunlight in the summer without DST. It's sort of why we have summer in the first place.
All DST does is shift the clock one hour, which during WWI was used to take advantage of the longer sunlight of the day, shift it into the evening, and thus reduce the fuel needed for lighting the cities and homes as a way of contributing to the war effort. I guess people liked the lighter hours in the evening rather than the morning, and the idea caught on and spread.
All DST does is shift the clock one hour, which during WWI was used to take advantage of the longer sunlight of the day, shift it into the evening, and thus reduce the fuel needed for lighting the cities and homes as a way of contributing to the war effort. I guess people liked the lighter hours in the evening rather than the morning, and the idea caught on and spread.
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- photonrider
It's just a way of saying: "Let there be more light!"
At least during the time we call the day day and not night.
At least during the time we call the day day and not night.
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Let there be light an hour later, let there be darkness an hour later.
It's like travelling back in time 1 hour and staying there for a few months...but you don't reset your watch.
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Danoff
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I suppose a more straightforward way for me to put my position is that I think that "standard time" should be abolished in favor of daylight saving time. But at that point why would we call it daylight saving time and not just... time. So when I said DST should be abolished, that wasn't to say that I prefer the winter time alignment to the summer time alignment. It was just to say that we don't need to make the adjustment - we can pick a single time alignment that works well around the year.
CAMAROBOY69
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Really looking forward to this for sure. Been a long depressing winter. Leaving work and having an extra hour of daylight will be so wonderful.
Danoff
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Kinda makes you wonder why we're waiting to change it doesn't it?
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It also depends very much on what part of the time zone you live in. I am in Central time, but almost walking distance from Eastern time, so my apparent sun position is MUCH earlier than most people in Central time. My birthplace, for example, is also Central time, yet a full thousand miles west and a bit north, so it's still light at 9:00 PM there and pitch dark here.
Latitude has a say in it, too. At 30 degrees north, my seasonal difference in daylight hours during the day is much smaller than someone in Minnesota or Wisconsin.
If DST applied here during the winter (as it did in the winter of '74 and '75) sunrise would not be until 7:30 or so in the mornings. Kids would be at school bus stops in the dark (we were) and arriving at darkened campuses (we did.)
@TJ13: My statement about fuel saving was specific to the summer, when the hour shift was applied. Shifting the daylight hours further into the evenings during the summer, when it was already daylight longer, reduced the need for lighting, thus the need for fuel.
Latitude has a say in it, too. At 30 degrees north, my seasonal difference in daylight hours during the day is much smaller than someone in Minnesota or Wisconsin.
If DST applied here during the winter (as it did in the winter of '74 and '75) sunrise would not be until 7:30 or so in the mornings. Kids would be at school bus stops in the dark (we were) and arriving at darkened campuses (we did.)
@TJ13: My statement about fuel saving was specific to the summer, when the hour shift was applied. Shifting the daylight hours further into the evenings during the summer, when it was already daylight longer, reduced the need for lighting, thus the need for fuel.
Danoff
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Sunrise is at 7:30 in January. It would be 8:30 if DST applied all year. Either way kids are in the dark at the bus stop. I did a lot of catching the bus in the dark when I was a kid.
Now contrast that with the fact that sunset in January is 4:30 in Wisconsin. That would be 5:30 if DST applied all year. 8:30 to 5:30 makes more sense to me than 7:30 to 4:30. But even if you like 7:30 to 4:30 better, do you like it enough better to force the entire country to go through a ridiculous clock dance twice per year?
Also, as you say, kids at bus stops is not why we have DST. It's antiquated, let's sever it.
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I see this as a sign that summer is coming. Seriously, **** winter.
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Not here..... Very eastern edge of the time zone, sunrise is around 6:30 at the solstice, would become 7:30.
That's the problem with generalizing what should or should not happen with Standard vs. Daylight, because where you are in your time zone, both east/west and north/south makes a huge difference in when the sky's fireball shows up or departs. On the same January day, all Central time sunrises:
Panama City, FL, 6:40
Chicago, IL, 7:17
Van Horn, TX, 7:59
Williston, ND, 8:44
There is a bill in committee in the Florida House to have Florida on DST year-round, as you propose. Maybe a good thing, I don't know. Awfully dark in the morning, but with standard time it's dark when you leave work at 5:00.... Trade-off, since there's less than 9 hours of daylight anyway. But if ONLY Florida decides to do this, and go out of sync with the rest of the nation, those folks in the Eastern time zone better think about how late they'll have to stay up to finish those football games on TV, since primetime won't start until 9:00 PM for them with the networks still on Standard time!
Danoff
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Not here..... Very eastern edge of the time zone, sunrise is around 6:30 at the solstice, would become 7:30.
That's the problem with generalizing what should or should not happen with Standard vs. Daylight, because where you are in your time zone, both east/west and north/south makes a huge difference in when the sky's fireball shows up or departs. On the same January day, all Central time sunrises:
Panama City, FL, 6:40
Chicago, IL, 7:17
Van Horn, TX, 7:59
Williston, ND, 8:44
There is a bill in committee in the Florida House to have Florida on DST year-round, as you propose. Maybe a good thing, I don't know. Awfully dark in the morning, but with standard time it's dark when you leave work at 5:00.... Trade-off, since there's less than 9 hours of daylight anyway. But if ONLY Florida decides to do this, and go out of sync with the rest of the nation, those folks in the Eastern time zone better think about how late they'll have to stay up to finish those football games on TV, since primetime won't start until 9:00 PM for them with the networks still on Standard time!
Sounds more like you have a complaint with the time zones than with DST year-round. There will always be some ugliness with timing, especially with time zones. But DST year-round is a much cleaner solution than what we have in place now.
I could go for eliminating time zones too actually, but that's another topic and one I'm less convinced of.
