How do I tame THE MUSCLE!

Camaro69427

Camaro69427

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Camaro69427
Trying to tune a couple of Muscle Cars for some track racing and am having some problems. Whenever the car touches the colored things at the inside of the track at turns, the car's tires spin and the car becomes uncontrollable. Would an LSD solve this? If so, Any base LSD tunes that increase grip in the corners?
 
Camaro69427
Whenever the car touches the colored things at the inside of the track at turns, the car's tires spin and the car becomes uncontrollable.
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Just a note on this, the rumble strips do seem to have a strange amount of extra grip causing the tires on it to have improved traction, I don't have hard evidence on this though. I agree with @DolHaus that reading through the guide and messing with the LSD should help some, and I also suggest trying to lighten up on the throttle a little bit through the corner.
 
Could also be a result of overly stiff suspension, if you hit a kerb at speed it will send a jolt through the car and overwhelm the tires.

I generally find curbs to be generally slippery in nature, contrary to what @DaBomm4 says.

I could be wrong but you might be mistaking the off track traction control for added grip perhaps? Some painted bits on the outside of corners are grip paint (mostly on GP circuits, Spa being a good example), a mixture of sand and paint to give a high grip surface. Those bits definitely have more grip
 
What I mean is when I get a front wheel on a higher powered car on the curb, the rear tires seem to loose traction very quickly compared to going around the same corner when I don't touch the curb. Most of the time when this happens I end up spinning out too, but like I said, I don't have the hard evidence to prove it correctly though.

It also depends on the curb also, if it is a smother transition from track to curb or if the curb is at a bigger angle from the track.
 
DaBomm4
What I mean is when I get a front wheel on a higher powered car on the curb, the rear tires seem to loose traction very quickly compared to going around the same corner when I don't touch the curb. Most of the time when this happens I end up spinning out too, but like I said, I don't have the hard evidence to prove it correctly though.

It also depends on the curb also, if it is a smother transition from track to curb or if the curb is at a bigger angle from the track.
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Ahh right, that's down to the weight suddenly being transferred to the opposite corner of the car. If you were to turn into a left hand corner and hit a curb with the front left, the back right would suddenly load up and slip. The less violent the impact, the more manageable the weight shift. This generally means that the car is too stiff to be running the curbs and can't handle the impacts. Dropping damper comp rate or spring rate can help but sometimes its easier and faster just to adjust your line.
 
Actually, when this was happening to me, before I changed my usual paths through corners, it was the less violent/smoother transitions from track to curb that caused me the most trouble. I wish I would have taken notes and saved some video of it to try and understand it better now.
 
DaBomm4
Actually, when this was happening to me, before I changed my usual paths through corners, it was the less violent/smoother transitions from track to curb that caused me the most trouble. I wish I would have taken notes and saved some video of it to try and understand it better now.
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Yeah its a bit hard to dial out, its just a sudden exchange of energy from one end of the car to another and is hard to predict and counter. If the suspension isn't soft and responsive enough to suck up the jolt then it will transfer the energy straight to the tyres, the harder the hit, the bigger and more sudden the reaction will be. Its a case of weighing up whether you are gaining enough time going over the curbs against the mid/high speed cornering speed loss. If you are then soften it up and go like the crow, if not then just avoid hitting them in the first place.
 
I kinda feel like trying to replicate my old results and try to figure it out now with all of your useful information. Your guide is also very good, it was helpful for making some of my own general tunes better.
 
DaBomm4
I kinda feel like trying to replicate my old results and try to figure it out now with all of your useful information. Your guide is also very good, it was helpful for making some of my own general tunes better.
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Glad it helped, I tried to cover the fundamentals as they are the most important part. Once you understand what's happening during various stages of driving and what all the bits are supposed to be doing then its easier to get your head around how to make it better.
 
Yeah, the weight transfer caused by the rumble strip makes more sense compared to a sudden increase in traction. The traction increase seemed to make sense when I experienced it because the tire stayed on the curb until the rear lost enough traction to spin out. Thanks for giving another idea to think about when it happens, it's why we're here though, right? Here to learn more and help others learn.
 
same thing happens in Assetto Corsa. Given how much respect I have for AC i'm gonna go ahead and assume its one of the more realistic features and curbs are a lot less grippy than other sims seem to suggest.
 
Thanks everyone! The troublemaker I'm trying to tame is the Pozzi Camaro. I have it maxed out horsepower wise. Stock suspension and LSD settings. I'll try some of the stuff mentioned in here the next time I'm on my PS3.
 
GT6 Nurburgring Nordschleife Mustang Boss 302 '13 550pp Lap Time 6:32 With Tune
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Camaro69427
Thanks guys! Problem solved! I HAVE TAMED THE MUSCLE! Camaro runs, and most importantly, corners like a charm.
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if you are up for it, would you mind sharing your settings so that others can see what worked for you?

Glad you got it figured out. :cheers:
 
Nope, haven't touched my Pozzi in quite a while. Just encouraging sharing of info. :D
 
DaBomm4
What I mean is when I get a front wheel on a higher powered car on the curb, the rear tires seem to loose traction very quickly compared to going around the same corner when I don't touch the curb. Most of the time when this happens I end up spinning out too, but like I said, I don't have the hard evidence to prove it correctly though.

It also depends on the curb also, if it is a smother transition from track to curb or if the curb is at a bigger angle from the track.
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The easiest thing to do is make your suspension soft, particularly the anti-roll bars.

But TBH, most of the time it's better to not quite touch the rumble strip.
 

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