How to battle in chicane properly?

[wlashack]

Hello,
I have a question about sportsmanship. It happened several times to me (mostly on Watkins Glen chicane) that a car behind me (red) goes in my slipstream. And when we are approaching the chicane it starts overtaking my (yellow) car. And here I am not sure what to do as a driver of a yellow car.

• If I start braking I lose my position.
• If I continue we crash because there is not enough space for two hi-speed cars in chicane entry.

I think the red car is breaking the rules, but I'm not sure. Can someone make this situaton clear?

Thanks.

 

[RACECAR]

General rule of thumb usually would be that if the overtaking car is at least halfway-fully alongside, just back out. Two into that section usually never ends well unless its someone you actually know. While losing the position isn't ideal, its the lesser of the two evils and you'll get to fight another day.

 

[RobertHammer]

most of the time you wont do it in that chicane because its very risky

 

[watto79]

What rule do you think the red car is breaking?

 

[GlockPants]

In this situation, conceding the position would probably benefit you. As you back off and both enter the bus-stop, the Red car has a very shallow entry and will have to slow considerably to keep within track limits (or they take the track limits penalty). While you have a better angle of attack you might be able to carry more speed for the exit and overtake through the Outer Loop. Or if they took a penalty, overtake while they serve that.

 

[wlashack]

In this situation, conceding the position would probably benefit you. As you back off and both enter the bus-stop, the Red car has a very shallow entry and will have to slow considerably to keep within track limits (or they take the track limits penalty). While you have a better angle of attack you might be able to carry more speed for the exit and overtake through the Outer Loop. Or if they took a penalty, overtake while they serve that.

In practice, it usually ends up that the red car hits me, my car spins, and I end up much worse than the opponent. Both cars crash but his car does not spin so he only feels the impact and continues while I lose several seconds before I am able to go on.

But again — my question is not about I win or he wins but — Isn't it prohibited to expose the other car to such a situation?

 

[Meythia]

Isn't it prohibited to expose the other car to such a situation?

Not in GT7, and altough the game tries to adapt to real racing rules, this is the only thing that really counts in the game.
But the good driver wouldnt do it because this position is worse for red than for orange in terms of actual racing speed.

2 options are presendet from your picture.
1. Orange not speed down: back side gets swiped, orange spins because rear contact, orange out and red likely out but probaly saved by orange (not getting track limit penalty because of orange).
2. Orange speed down: let red have the worse chicane line, overtake directly after and gain an advantage over red which has lost more than gained, red also propably gets track limit penatly.

 

[Met Entso]

My rule of thumb is don't engage in a chicane

 

[skydragon49]

I'd say that the yellow car should take the defensive line earlier in the straight and give red the bad outside line to entry the chicane. Usually the guy on the outside gives up and drive to fight day.

But if it happens for you to be on the outside, let them take you, give them the minimal space of course, take an optimal line in the bus corner and try to take the position back. Also by giving them a hard and tight space they may make a mistake.

 

[Nightwing24]

That’s not a battle that’s a dive bomb

Chicane are not battlegrounds, if someone tries to overtake you on one hold your ground as you are right and have the lead. Let them cause an accident and be poor drivers and develop thier reputation of having no racecraft skills

What rule do you think the red car is breaking?

Broken rule: Only overtake if you can do so cleanly

 

[jrbabbitt]

As what I do is get in position that hinders the red car from dive bomb BEFORE the chicane and carry through, if you cannot then back off and maintain stability..

 

[Raven-Sport]

This is one of my main pet peeves in sport mode. 90% of the player base (I'm usually in DR.B SR.S) will go for this move. I class my self as clean and sensible, so I will back out, because you know the driver nicknamed after a current F1 champion has to overtake here rather than a massive straight.

But guess what? In most occasions, especially on the first lap of a 5 lap sprint, there will be thirsty drivers behind, and they are on a quali lap in race conditions and wont take any of this into account, resulting in the inevitable. The driver in the red car goes on his merry way.

Sport mode, alot of the time, rewards bad behaviour. And thats why people do it.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Hello,
I have a question about sportsmanship. It happened several times to me (mostly on Watkins Glen chicane) that a car behind me (red) goes in my slipstream. And when we are approaching the chicane it starts overtaking my (yellow) car. And here I am not sure what to do as a driver of a yellow car.

• If I start braking I lose my position.
• If I continue we crash because there is not enough space for two hi-speed cars in chicane entry.

I think the red car is breaking the rules, but I'm not sure. Can someone make this situaton clear?

Thanks.

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Don't expect Racecraft or Sportsmanship in Multiplayer lobbies.
Just play it safe and back out.
Unless you know your surrounding competitors and you can rely on them not having fragile egos it's always the way to go and treat these type of situations.
Whilst it's easily to make any corner on any given track side by side without touching the other car, most of the time it isn't practicable in Multiplayer lobbies with Randoms.
The Gamers don't treat GT7 as a Sim or as real life racing standards would force you to apply ( no real consequence like injuries, broken cars or the fear of death) so the best way to master these situations is to play it smart, let them have their 5 seconds of glory and just keep on racing.
Never ever take unnecessary risks, as soon as you feel unsure or unsafe what the outcome might be... just lift and gain back control of the situation.
Always make sure that YOU make it unscathed through these situations and ONLY focus on your driving.

 

[watto79]

That’s not a battle that’s a dive bomb

A car getting alongside before a corner isn't a dive bomb. There's nothing in the OP's post to indicate there's a dive bomb going on.

Chicane are not battlegrounds, if someone tries to overtake you on one hold your ground as you are right and have the lead. Let them cause an accident and be poor drivers and develop thier reputation of having no racecraft skills

The entire race track is a battleground. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go for a risky overtake into a chicane but it's not against any rules to try.

Broken rule: Only overtake if you can do so cleanly

It's perfectly possible to do a clean overtake into a chicane.

This is no different to any other corner. If someone gets alongside me I have to adjust my line. Being a chicane doesn't change this.

 

[Nightwing24]

A car getting alongside before a corner isn't a dive bomb. There's nothing in the OP's post to indicate there's a dive bomb going on.

The entire race track is a battleground. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go for a risky overtake into a chicane but it's not against any rules to try.

It's perfectly possible to do a clean overtake into a chicane.

This is no different to any other corner. If someone gets alongside me I have to adjust my line. Being a chicane doesn't change this.

The fact that he crashed into the OP proves all this is false.

If he had the space and if he had the skill to have made the overtake cleanly, he would not have crashed into OP. He divebombed recklessly as is the norm in GT7 Sport

He did not overtake because he didn’t have the skill to overtake cleanly hence breaking the rules of if you can’t do it cleanly don’t attempt it. Period.

If you want to be reckless on track, go ahead and do you. Just don’t be a lier on top of a poor racer and say you are racing within the rules though cause it’s blatantly false

 

[watto79]

The fact that he crashed into the OP proves all this is false.

That.....doesn't prove anything. We don't have any video to say if anyone was being reckless.

If you want to be reckless on track, go ahead and do you. Just don’t be a lier on top of a poor racer and say you are racing within the rules though cause it’s blatantly false

All I'm arguing is that attempting an overtake before a chicane is a completely valid form of racing. Feel free to disagree but let's keep personal insults out of it, particularly when you've ignored I said this 👇

I wouldn't go for a risky overtake into a chicane

 

[Nightwing24]

That.....doesn't prove anything. We don't have any video to say if anyone was being reckless.

All I'm arguing is that attempting an overtake before a chicane is a completely valid form of racing. Feel free to disagree but let's keep personal insults out of it, particularly when you've ignored I said this 👇

No personal insults were made, facts were stated. Sorry if you took offense to it.

Agreed taking the position before the chicane is perfectly valid. I’ll never agree overtaking in an chicane is sportsmanlike conduct.

Agreed without video proof to see who had the right of way going into the first corner of chicane we won’t know who is at fault in this instance.

And provided all facts remain constant and don’t change without said video, I still stand by all my opinions stated and the facts I use to support them.

 

[watto79]

No personal insults were made, facts were stated

Just to clear things up, you stated I was reckless on track, a liar and a poor racer. If you're doubling down on these being facts then I have no further interest in this discussion. You know nothing about how I race and ignored where I stated I wouldn't do what the OP felt aggrieved about, and for some reason still felt a need to say those things.

 

[Nightwing24]

Just to clear things up, you stated I was reckless on track, a liar and a poor racer. If you're doubling down on these being facts then I have no further interest in this discussion.

If you want to be reckless on track, go ahead and do you. Just don’t be a lier on top of a poor racer and say you are racing within the rules though cause it’s blatantly false

Just to actually “clear things up”: I did not say you did these things, hence I never issued any insult.

I clearly stated IF you do these things and claim you are racing within the rules you are clearly a liar and lack racing sportsmanship.

My unedited quote is above, and again if you are taking offense to these factual stements that’s on you, not me “insulting” you. And again my apologies for your offense due to misinterpretation of my factual statements.

 

[PlanetJanet]

The entire race track is a battleground.

This is certainly how a lot of people like to drive but I wish they wouldn't. I prefer to think of the track as a military map and myself as a General; I look at the map and see that there are only a few areas where it is feasible to engage the enemy and emerge victorious. All the other areas are useful, in that I can use them to manoeuvre myself into an advantageous position, but to charge in at these points is usually suicide. Better to wait until I have the high ground!

Or something like that, I might have got a bit carried away.

 

[watto79]

This is certainly how a lot of people like to drive but I wish they wouldn't. I prefer to think of the track as a military map and myself as a General; I look at the map and see that there are only a few areas where it is feasible to engage the enemy and emerge victorious. All the other areas are useful, in that I can use them to manoeuvre myself into an advantageous position, but to charge in at these points is usually suicide. Better to wait until I have the high ground!

Or something like that, I might have got a bit carried away.

I completely agree and that's how I like to race. The only point I'm trying to make (perhaps badly) is that we can't expect everyone to race like that. You have to expect people to attempt overtakes anywhere and can't write off parts of the track as "you can't overtake there". It reminds me of an older conversation on GTP where someone was claiming you can't attempt an overtake after the 100 board.

It's a race track and people will race everywhere on it.

Going 2 wide into a chicane is extremely high risk. Its possible but you have to have 100% trust in the other driver. If I don't have 100% trust, or don't trust I can hold the line I need to, I'll back out every time.

 

[Talon16]

Although not wise by the red car it's definitely do-able, but both drivers have to play ball. If nether driver concedes then it'll just cost them both a bunch of time.

It's hard to overtake at the Glen. If it's the last lap, better be ready to fight anywhere.

If the red car hit OP, that's because he ran out of skill on turn entry and was going too fast. If you're on that inside line intending to make a move, you better slow down enough so you can hit your apex and make that tighter turning radius to leave room for the other driver in the immediate incoming lefts. If one doesn't/can't do that, it's not because it's impossible to overtake there, it's because that driver is either not skilled enough to do so or oblivious to how it works.

 

[watto79]

Although not wise by the red car it's definitely do-able, but both drivers have to play ball. If nether driver concedes then it'll just cost them both a bunch of time.

It's hard to overtake at the Glen. If it's the last lap, better be ready to fight anywhere.

If the red car hit OP, that's because he ran out of skill on turn entry and was going too fast. If you're on that inside line intending to make a move, you better slow down enough so you can hit your apex and make that tighter turning radius to leave room for the other driver in the immediate incoming lefts. If one doesn't/can't do that, it's not because it's impossible to overtake there, it's because that driver is either not skilled enough to do so or oblivious to how it works.

Thank you for better explaining what I was trying to convey.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

In practice, it usually ends up that the red car hits me, my car spins, and I end up much worse than the opponent. Both cars crash but his car does not spin so he only feels the impact and continues while I lose several seconds before I am able to go on.

But again — my question is not about I win or he wins but — Isn't it prohibited to expose the other car to such a situation?

I think you have to realize that this IS a game, the video about proper driving techniques shown in the game is just for show (no enforcement online), PD has no real interest in providing a real race experience or they would develop a better way to enforce racing standards, and finally Sony's only interest is chat verbiage enforcement - not racing enforcement.

Is it prohibited to expose another to a possible race-ending situation, not in real racing but for a non-monitored racing event like those given online in GT7 . . . totally acceptable to most gamers.