How To Drift

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INTRODUCTION
I thought that i will never learn to drift. I was getting frustrated. When GT5 came out i heard it was going to have realistic physics. I got excited. Then i played it. I got desperate. I couldn't drift. And then tonight , just like that, in the span of half a minute, i figured it out. I went from being a complete noob who could spin a cup of coffee out, to drifting a 458 Italia tuned up to 650 hp. I'm dying to share,so here it goes. I use a Fanatec GT2 wheel with 900 degree rotation.

A drift is performed in two completely separate and independent from each other parts. Those two parts are :

1. Getting the car sideways.
2. Maintaining a drift.






PART I : LOSING TRACTION



Beginner drifters should only focus on learning how to get the car sideways. Do not worry about drifting at all. Get the car sideways, lose the traction, then just stop. Relax. Do nothing further , don't counter-steer, don't apply gas. Master kicking that tail out first. Isolating and focusing just on this will lift up a lot of pressure from your eager-to-drift mind. Practice it until you can get any RWD car sideways.

TOP 3 WAYS TO LOSE TRACTION :

0. The optimal way to turn into a corner is with a 45-90 degree turn in , while maintaining a steady half-way throttle.

1. Turn into the corner at a good 90 degree wheel turn. Relax. Then mash the throttle like a stab of a knife. Mash it with vengeance. But DO NOT keep your foot on the gas pedal after the RPMs start to shoot up. Give it a good kick, then move your foot away from the gas. Your car should be sideways now. The key is to not keep your foot on the gas. When done right, this will send you into a controlled,but quickly dying slide sideways. When done wrong, your car will spin out, because you kept accelerating but you didn't realize that your car has already lost traction.

2. Turn into the corner with a 90 degree wheel turn and hold it there. Mash and HOLD the throttle full on WHILE you straighten the wheel from the 90 degree to its original 0 degree position. I call this the 90-0 degree technique. When done at the same time, it will get the car sideways. Once you get sideways, immediately release the throttle and counter-steer. If you're too slow, you will spin out. Here the drift is generated by the straightening of the wheel while the gas is HELD at full throttle. It is counter-intuitive, because this requires you to actually steer as if you want the car to hit the side of the road, but it works when you do a nice job. It is an advanced technique, because it requires counter-steering skills that will neutralize a potentially violent spin out.

3. Perform a scandinavian flick. It is useful for situations where you want to use momentum rather than horsepower. Not a mandatory technique for drifting. If you're negotiating a right turn , sharply turn to the left before your turn in.









PART II : MAINTAINING THE DRIFT


After you master getting a car sideways, then you can worry about maintaining the slide - drifting. Here is how you maintain a drift, using a Ferrari 458 that revs to 9000 rpm :

1. Use your RPM gauge as a reference.

2. Know that 4000 rpm in 2nd gear is the optimal speed that most cars can take a 90 degree corner with. I'm talking about a normal racing line turn. Anything more than that is a very good handling car. Anything less than that is a poor handling car. The 458 can take a turn at 6500-7000 rpm, which is Godlike.

3. Thus, while turning, anything higher than 4000 rpm in 2nd gear is a venture over the normal limit of the grip of most cars. At 4500 rpm you will begin to hear slight tire noise. If you keep it up to about 5000-6000 rpm, you will lose grip , though in most cars you will most likely begin to under-steer really bad.

4. However, if you are at 4000 rpm in 2nd gear WHILE YOU ARE SIDEWAYS, your engine isn't working hard enough to sustain your drift and the slide will fade. But because you would be counter-steering at this point, you will spin out due to excessive steering input and insufficient throttle input.

5. If you are at the other end of the gauge, at 8000-9000 rpm in 2nd gear, your engine is spinning too rapidly. As result, your car will spin out very violently and probably crash.

6. Find the middle ground between the sweet spot and the red line. If you are at 6000 rpm in 2nd gear, your engine is spinning at the right rate as to sustain your drift. This is for the 458. Every car is a bit different.

7. A drift at a sustained 5000-5500 rpm is a slow drift. A drift at a sustained 6000-6500 rpm is an optimal drift. A drift at a sustained 7000-7500 rpm is a fast drift.

8. The secret to maintaining a drift - DO NOT ACCELERATE WHILE DRIFTING. Watch your rpm gauge like a hawk WHILE YOU ARE SLIDING. Maintain the throttle so you keep the RPM needle on a specific number through the entire drift. The reason why most beginners keep spinning out is because they accelerate while drifting. For some reason, the picture of a drift in our minds is a slide that keeps getting faster and faster as it powers out of the corner. Drifting means sliding at a CONSTANT, UNCHANGING speed. Watch that rpm arrow and use the throttle to keep that needle at 6000 rpm! Your car will get a life of its own and start drifting without your help.

So to summarize :

1. Know your car's sweet spot. Most cars are 4000 rpm in 2nd gear.
1. Get the car sideways
3. Counter-steer a good amount of turn degrees while maintaining the rpm needle on the same number throughout the entire drift. 6000 rpm is a good start.








THE DRIFT CORNER LINE


There is a reason why a beginner should practice losing traction in isolation from maintaining a drift. That is because it grants you an important ability. That ability is the freedom to get a car sideways ANYWHERE on the track. It is the knowledge that you can. That you can, without having to worry about what you'll do next. That ability is received when your mind stops thinking of a drift as one continuous action, but as two completely separate phases. And because they are separate, you don't need a corner to get sideways. And because you don't need one, you feel free to get sideways BEFORE a corner. This way, by the time you reach the apex, you are ALREADY sideways. And if you can do all of the above, but get sideways before a corner, you now are drifting like the pros do. It frees your mind. The mechanics of this are as follows :

1. Know that your mind has a false image of what a drift is.
2. Know that your mind has a false association of two incompatible images : the image of a racing line and the image of a drifting car. The notion of accelerating during drifting comes from the image of the racing line.
3. Know that your mind has set up a habitual expectation of drifting only while in the presence of a corner, which in turn has conditioned your mind to only try to get sideways as a way to negotiate a corner.
4. Break that.



I was dying to share that. Hope it helps.
 
Nice guide on how to drift. Im new to drifting on gt5 and have trouble keeping a drift going on long sweeping corners, i'll try some methods from your post 👍
 
Well done, It's very difficult to put into words the technique required for drifting, you have done a very good job of it. Sticky worthy.
 
Excellent guide. Which would be the best track to put this into practice? And does using a DS3 make it harder, or easier?

Create a course. Use the top right template. Set up the section complexity and turn angles to maximum. Set the road width to maximum. This is best. Tracks like Suzuka do not work for me at all. I think the principle can be summarized as : If the track features a proper sequence of 90 degree corners, then it is a good drifting track. If it is a narrow, Suzuka or Nurburgring like track, then it is not. Personally, i love tracks with chicanes.

If you will use a joystick, you need to possess good control of the right and left sticks - your throttle and steering. Keeping a contant speed while sliding is easy with the right stick. But for true drifting you have to have a wheel.

Also more important than the choice of track is the choice of car. After I wrote the guide I tried to use my own guide to drift with a 2010 BMW M3 and i failed, because i couldn't figure out the car's sweet spot and because the BMW's steering required a different degree of counter-steer than the Ferrari. But then i tried the Aston Martin DB9 and Mclaren MPC and those drifted like dreams. It just depends on how well you know your car's powerband and steering setup. I know beyond certainty that the M3 can drift just as well, i just haven't found the proper way to handle it.

Also, some cars are just naturally set by the manufacturer to behave a certain way when faced with the loss of traction. For example, the Lexus ISF does not display the lateral agility of the Aston. You can flick the DB9's tail any way you want to and with extraordinary ease. But the Lexus is a more safety-oriented drifter, precisely because it refuses to get on the edge of grip. So it's harder to get there and according to Lexus's philosophy, safer.

However, once you do get on that absolute edge of controlled sliding, that car is impossible to control, it just isn't set that way. So it's actually more dangerous,because you cannot correct a mistake.Instead, you just have to ensure to prevent one. And all drifters know that mistakes will occur. Different setups require different methods, degrees and timing of counter-steer. I love GT5 because you can really see the differences between cars that are equal on paper and in the same class. For instance, the ISF struck me as a very stiff car, but its competitor - the Jag XK - possessed a lot more agility. Also, some cars are naturally setup to be line racers - cars specifically designed to follow a racing line. Then there are cars i call "hustlers", which are fun cars that you can thrash around and kick the tail out. Then there are pure drifters like the Shelby Cobra. So choose your car wisely.

I find that most mid-engined v8 Ferraris don't drift too well because they are too planted and precise line racers. The 458 is something of an anomaly in this respect. But the Alfa C8 is a hustler. The Monaro is a drifter. The M5 and Zonda are line racers, and so on.
 
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I was a complete virgin at drifting a couple of weeks ago.

After reading all relevant guides in this forum, looking at plenty of youtube clips and practicing a lot I am now a noob drifter... :)

I have tried the techniques in this thread as well, and it goes fairly good. It could be that I changed car. Been drifting with the GT 350Z all the time, but found the other day a Genki hyper Silvia drifting car in the used car dealer. I bought it instantly. But I have problems controlling it. Trying to find the sweet spot.

A few weeks more and then I can probably say that I am more than a noob drifter.
While I mostly do practice mode, I sometimes make the odd drift trial mode to see if I can improve my score. With a wheel, my score on Tsukuba went up to 10 000 and some with the HKS Silivia. Thats a big step ahead for me! (my all time high is +12 000 points)

Thanks for the advice! See you all someday at the tracks...


PS. Im sliding all over the place since the Silivia has 500 HP, and I'm on Comfort hard tires. Is your advice to step up to Comfort Soft or better Tires? And is it a good thing to put on a low range turbo so I can hold a long drift in low rpm?
 
Lars:

Try using a lower-powered car. I learned in GT5P in a 350Z. It was the first car I learned to drift and it is my current drift machine in GT5. Try it stock. I know this sounds boring. STOCK?!? WHAT?? But trust me it's got the right amount of power and wonderful balance. It's better to learn drifting without the luxury of 500+ hp. That way when you get good enough, you can upgrade your car to the amount of hp you want and be able to control it.

I would also suggest not judging your drift proficiency by using the drift mode. I always get frustrated by that because when I'm doing an awesome drift and totally hanging the tail out, it gives me no points because I'm not near the racing line.

In regards to tires, it all depends on the car and it's balance. Buy all the comfort tires and sport hard. Test them all out. Different cars work best with different cars. For example, my AE86 works best with comfort soft, my 370Z with comfort hard, and (my favorite) my 350Z with comfort medium. Use whichever tires feel the best and are easy to break traction but you can control the drift easily too.

Last Answer: Turbos. In my experience, a mid-range turbo works the best. It provides power near the bottom of the curve, through the middle, and near the top.


I'm not going to write a guide because I think that, while they are good starting points, drifting has to be learned naturally, through feel and practice. It's all about learning the dynamics of the vehicle and how to control it in any scenario. Keep practicing and experiment with different techniques. Every person drifts differently, so learn your way and have fun doing it!
 
Am I the only one that kinda thinks that guide is alittle bit rubbish...

There's huge gaping holes in terms of missing parts of or whole techniques especially for initiation and the idea of being able to just maintain a drift with a certain rpm range in 2nd gear is daft.
Missing the hardest part of the drift in how to end the drift and come smoothly out the exit of the turn, thing is initiating and maintaining a drift is simple but pulling straight or controlling the car when it eventually gets grip again is the hard part.

I don't think any of my cars drift in 2nd gear as its just too slow.
 
My observation on a lot of beginners is they are tuning their cars all wrong. The most common error is tires....I understand Comforts are used in the Drift trials and to practice people use them. Generally however in Drifting you want Max grip from your tires. Keep in Mind though as a beginner you should keep your car stock including tires, and as you get better,then upgrade. When you get up in HP and skill then move up to at least sport hards but I run soft because I redline my drifts.
 
The best advice I can give to learning how to drift is to just have fun and not over-think it. If you look at it as "trying to learn how to drift" or "practicing" it can almost seem like an overwhelming chore. If you approach learning drifting as "having a lot of fun while understanding how my car reacts while sideways" than your journey will be a lot less stressful. Dont try too hard, have fun.
 
Thx for the help guys.
condogg: I too like the 350Z. Have been driving it like 90% of the time. Switched to the Genki hyper silvia and found that car to have some nice handling even though its hard to modulate the accelerator with comfort hards. The trick perhaps is to step up to comfort soft or sport hard/medium for that car? I must try and see what happens. The volvo 240 station wagon is also very fun to drift with. It turns so slow that I can floor the gas pedal and still control it with the wheel. I assume that this is what you are after with the other cars as well?

Now I must wait a while for the ps3 to get fixed. Got the dreaded YLOD error.
 
Excellent account of how you learned to drift. I got into drifting a few weeks after gt5 came out, and consider myself a novice drifter, my highest score is 12k on tsukuba. I was fascinated by how hard it was for me and how easy people made it look. Reading your post, I notice several simularities and also some things I do differently, but there is no doubt that this would have shaved days off of my time spent learning drifting.
 
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