How to eliminate oversteer on Audi R10?

[danjama]

I have TC on 5 for this car, it still spins out on corners sometimes. Normally on second lap, when medium race tires seem to be wearing.

I use a cotnroller. I haven't adjusted anything in settings yet, so i'm going to give that a go now. I want it sweet for the ring.

 

[YellowG1]

Smoother throttle input would probably help; get it going straight before giving it full throttle... Could try softer springs in the rear, but if TC is already on 5, that may not help much.

 

[danjama]

Smoother throttle input would probably help; get it going straight before giving it full throttle... Could try softer springs in the rear, but if TC is already on 5, that may not help much.

I'm being as smooth as I can with the controller, and constantly resisting the urge to stick the metal to the floor on corner exit! I'm pretty good with it I reckon, but it's frustrating when I spon out once or twice. It probably is driver fault.

I'll try and soften the springs in the rear as you said, thanks for the quick reply.

 

[willieweed]

when i get back on the game i`ll get mine for ya that car rocks.just from memory i drop the front springs,drop the front sway bar drop the front height,increased the rear spring increased the rear sway bar and raised the rear.its just alot of horsepower to tame.i`ve been working on the bugatti veyron 1200 plus horsepower what a beast.

 

[Demon-Dub]

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[Novice]

the default settings on the R10 (mine is the stealth version, if that matters) really is prone to spinning. mind you, i drive with a G25 and the littlest throttle input on mid/exit of corner will send you spinning, the moment you touch the kurbs or the dirt will send you spinning too. and as the OP said, TCS don't help much so it's should be a wrong suspension setup that's causing the spins.

at first i thought it's just normal since the bloody thing had a 1000+ torque. but my Zonda R which has a more humble 600+ torque behaves the same way.

 

[stevetam]

are you trying to countersteer? I haven't tried the R8 but I have a LP560 and I've driven the murcielago in the Gran Tour, the cars should be similar.

If the car slides either:
a. No power and counter steer during a middle of a wide turn
b. Full power and straighten out during exit

in terms of tuning if you have aero you should try to put more downforce to the rear and you can do all sorts of things in the suspension to give the front wheels more traction giving the car a more understeering race setup

 

[vett'e]

are you trying to countersteer? I haven't tried the R8 but I have a LP560 and I've driven the murcielago in the Gran Tour, the cars should be similar.

If the car slides either:
a. No power and counter steer during a middle of a wide turn
b. Full power and straighten out during exit

in terms of tuning if you have aero you should try to put more downforce to the rear and you can do all sorts of things in the suspension to give the front wheels more traction giving the car a more understeering race setup

I reckon the R10 came very well set-up being completely stock. The only changes I have made are to opt for soft racing tires. Throttle control is essential because we're talking of a MOUNTAIN of torque, like enough to tow a jet or something, from the diesel engine. (Diesel engine's have inherently more torque because diesel fuel combust under high compression, so they have a relatively longer stroke than petrol engines)

 

[ABLEC6]

After pulling out every hair I have on my head trying to figure this $4.7m shiny bucket of bolts out, I am finally able to drive the R10 TDI like I mean it. Out of the dealer, I had the same problems as you guys here and I tried everything suggested with no luck. Bear in mind I am a motorsports purist at heart and do not believe in traction control while racing, even if my competition does. TC & active steering, ASM all set at 0 or off.

The key (for me) is the Limited Slip Diff. I turned the accelleration down to 6 and could then gas it out of the corners. Finally I can drive with the confidence of Emanuelle Piro and Alan McNish (minus the skill level, of course!) Once the massive on power oversteer was settled, I could get a feel for the handling characteristics of the car and start tuning it for my specific driving style. First, the ride height seemed weird so I evened the front and rear with maybe a little rake putting the rear 2mm higher than the front. The car actually has a lot of understeer and I like it best with a softer - than - stock front springs, bar and dampers in both compression & rebound. I also went 1 step stiffer on sway bar in the rear. After that, it's just a matter of tuning the gear for the track. For more confidence, the downforce can be cranked all the way up for shorter tracks without hurting the top end speed.

I'm still not convinced it would have been better to be more patient and waited for a R8 or Pescarollo Judd to pop up in the used dealer.

I hope this helps and keeps other rivers from going crazy and wasting hours in practice mode without earning money! Cheers and good luck!

 

[Motoxjake]

Able, thanks for the great post. Your suggestions are a great starting point. I can finally drive this car hard and not worry about unpredictable losses of traction. The Limited Slip isn't something I have much experience with and I've never had much luck experimenting. Thanks again!

 

[Mr. Boy]

I dunno if its a lack of feedback in my Momo wheel, or if I'm not driving at the limit, but the R10 feels easy to drive to me. The only thing I changed with the setup was the diff (15/20/20), toe (-0.10/0.10) and camber, which I do to every race car, and I won the dream car championship easily with it.

 

[zippy_the_cat]

Able's suggestions are indeed a help. Here's what I've come up with:

Aero 60/85
Tranny 236 mph
LSD 6/6/6

Ride -12/-10
Extension 7/8
Compression 5/8
Anti-roll 5/6

Camber -2.5/-1.7
Toe -0.03/-0.10

I'm using a DS3 and it understeers a bit, more on exit than on entry. But ... it no long has any tendency to snap oversteer, or spin, except when I have an off. The setup works well enough for me to gold the Cape Ring race of the GT All Stars. Last adjustment following a 2nd at Grand Valley was another click or two's worth of loosening the front compression.

 

[veyron1001]

Able's suggestions are indeed a help. Here's what I've come up with:

Aero 60/85
Tranny 236 mph
LSD 6/6/6

Ride -12/-10
Extension 7/8
Compression 5/8
Anti-roll 5/6

Camber -2.5/-1.7
Toe -0.03/-0.10

I'm using a DS3 and it understeers a bit, more on exit than on entry. But ... it no long has any tendency to snap oversteer, or spin, except when I have an off. The setup works well enough for me to gold the Cape Ring race of the GT All Stars. Last adjustment following a 2nd at Grand Valley was another click or two's worth of loosening the front compression.

Looks like the loss of traction from cooking your tires. That should make the back end jump around and spin you out.

 

[Furinkazen]

Just tried this, works ok actually 👍

 

[JLawrence]

Just from my experience running the Pescarolo C60, which puts out a massive 1047Hp for its 900Kg and is also the most prone to throttle oversteer out of the LMP cars I've toyed with thus far, I wound up setting my differential to 58/6/24. This allows for a lot more "give" on acceleration, though you can still spin it if you gas it too hard in first or second gear. Also, if you set your rear tow between 0.10 and 0.20 you will find that it will also help significantly in keeping the throttle oversteer in check. In doing so though, you will give the machine a little bit of a push in the corners, but that can be easily fixed with a height adjustment. I haven't gotten around to getting that particular car yet, though when I do I will presumably post my set up here (SRTuning) if you would like to check it out, and my Pescarolo is there now if you'd like it for reference.

 

[CSLACR]

I'll be posting a tune for this car that dialed out lots of over-steer in my garage very soon also.

 

[godlameroso]

You're all wrong, the secret is to gear the car so that it's the torque that motivates the car not the horsepower. It's the torque that is making you spin, or the transition from instant huge torque to high horsepower. You either increase the initial torque, along with decreased acceleration lock, or you raise the gearing. You should set your gears so that you upshift at no later than 5200 rpm, either that or detune your car.