If GT6 is released to PS3, are you expecting a huge graphical change?

[Eks]

[Font="Comic Sans MS]If GT6 is released to PS3, are you expecting a huge graphical change ?

Like, are you expecting all Standards to be Premium-ed? Day/Night Cycle/Weather on all tracks, basically just more advanced and detailed graphics for everything.

Honestly I doubt GT6 will be released on PS3, but if it is, I am not expecting the graphics to advance too far beyond GT5 level. GT5 alone is already a bit much on the PS3. (Framerate loss when racing alot of Premiums or when there are many lights/particles infront/around you, and slow loadtimes).

What do you think? [/FONT]

 

[Samus]

It's not going to be on PS3 but hypothetically speaking I would have expected a complete premium roster and day/night on every track. I wouldn't have expected anything significantly better generally though, just a level quality game that GT5 should have been, all PS3 quality across the board.

But yeah, GT6 is a PS4 game now.

 

[mcfizzle]

What you are asking about are two different things. Yes, I expect all tracks to have day/night transition and weather. I also expect all cars to be premium.

But a huge graphical change if it's on PS3? No I don't think so. GT5 was in development for the majority of the PS3's lifespan so how are they going to suddenly make a huge improvement? Sure they can optimize better but I don't think anything significant. I do hope all cars are up to the quality of the best done premiums and all tracks are done as well as Nordschleife but we will see. I also think they need to add more touches to tracks to make them feel alive similar to the Nürburgring 24 course. Improving the trackside environment can go a long way to making the graphics seem better.

Having said all that I expect it to be on PS4 and yes I do expect a graphical change there.

 

[IceMan PJN]

If GT6 is released to PS3, are you expecting a huge graphical change ?

Like, are you expecting all Standards to be Premium-ed?

That isn't about GT5/GT6 graphics. While the sub-Standard models were technically on PS3, they weren't made for PS3. They were for PSP, PS2, and even PSX. They were just lazily dumped onto a PS3 game. Updating them to Premium wouldn't be updating on PS3 graphics but rather updating on PS2 graphics.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect PS3 can do even better graphics than what PSX, PS2, and PSP did.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I think it will be released on the PS3, and there won't be a big improvement in graphics.
But there will be enough new tracks to knock our hats off!

 

[Gregi]

Just hope my wheel works on the next PS(4?)...

 

[stiggygonzalez]

GT5 should have had say 500 premiums and done the weather on all tracks,GT6 looks as though it will be PS4/Omni/Orbis bound now but I wouldn't mind it being on PS3 though with more premiums and tracks and I think the graphics would be very much the same if it were on PS3.

 

[Crispy9001]

I'm thinking every car "GT5 Premium" quality, which means revamping old cars into brand new ones, but of course, not all of them, since there are the crappy, useless duplicates of already perfectly good Japanese cars.
We can get this many doing so with A BIGGER DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

Revamp ALL the missing old tracks into new graphical light (SSR11, Seattle/Rome Circuits, Missing Rally, Grindewald & Red Rock, etc., etc.)

ALSO; this will require a bigger development crew, too; like many have said, every track a time/weather change.

 

[SigmaViper11]

I honestly don't think GT6 would be on the PS3 due to hardware limitation, but I think the maximum graphics would go down so the overall graphics would go up in the hypothetical scenario that GT6 came out on the PS3.

by this I mean, tracks would all be put in good standing, as compared to some complaints about tracks like twin Rings just being ported and bumped.

But the way i see it, all the tracks would be similar to that level. the cars all premiumed out, but overall I see the poly count dropping a bit. I think they could drop it quite a bit as well without it being really noticeable on the current premium cars as they are complete overkill. the standards i can see being remodeled or updated to the premium level but with out the absolutely insane poly count.

Then in terms of the graphics themselves, I'd imagine a bit of reduction on the anti aliasing, the lighting, shadows remaining jagged, fixing the smoke/car pixelation issue, and maybe dropping the resolution a bit on some of the texture maps or reducing the use of normal maps if they are present. Basically reducing the load on the render system as a whole as well as optimizing everything. I'd also half expect the damage system to either tossed, reduced or totally revamped. But that's just my two cents.

 

[Lain]

That isn't about GT5/GT6 graphics. While the sub-Standard models were technically on PS3, they weren't made for PS3. They were for PSP, PS2, and even PSX. They were just lazily dumped onto a PS3 game. Updating them to Premium wouldn't be updating on PS3 graphics but rather updating on PS2 graphics.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect PS3 can do even better graphics than what PSX, PS2, and PSP did.

It's not quite that simple.

Yes, the assets were originally made for consoles other than the PS3. But they're being rendered at higher resolutions and with more complex lighting on the PS3 than they were on previous platforms. And just because an asset is made for one platform, that doesn't necessarily mean that platform is the ideal platform for that level of quality asset. I mean, GT5's premiums are modeled to a level of detail which should make them more suitable for next-gen use. Get a lot of premiums all bunched up together on screen in GT5 on the PS3 and you'll start getting screen tearing and frame rate drops.
Plus, the Standard cars aren't the only factor. And on that note, quantity is also a factor. GT5 allows for more cars per race than any previous entry in the series, so that takes more processing power, even if they are still the same car models.

And there's more to GT5's graphics than just the cars. We've got extremely detailed tracks, some of which have day/night cycles and weather. All of these features take a significant toll on the system's CPU and GPU as well.

All that being said, I do believe that Polyphony might be able to squeeze a little bit more performance out of the PS3... but maybe only enough to help reduce screen tearing and frame rate issues.

 

[mjay]

I would of loved to see what had been in gt5 if kaz has the extra year or two he wanted.Yes it would be nice to have gt6 on ps3, but lets be honest it probably wont happen.

 

[Samus]

I think it will be released on the PS3, and there won't be a big improvement in graphics.
But there will be enough new tracks to knock our hats off!

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E3 2013 - June

Spotted a theme?

 

[Chrunch Houston]

[big list of upcoming PS3 titles]

E3 2013 - June

Spotted a theme?

Er, yeah.

 

[Samus]

So you see the point I'm making? The PS3 GT6 ship has sailed.

IGN article:

Oh, and one final note that’s equal parts exciting and terrifying: every single one of the games below is due out in the first half of the year, due entirely, in our opinion, to publishers not wanting their games to get lost in the next-gen hype/news cycle. That’s a lot of gaming to be done between now and E3 2013. Wow.

 

[Emptyone]

So you see the point I'm making? The PS3 GT6 ship has sailed.

IGN article

Simon, isn't that quote ripped from the Xbox360 feature? But the point still stands I guess about next-gen consoles.

 

[Samus]

Simon, isn't that quote ripped from the Xbox360 feature? But the point still stands I guess about next-gen consoles.

It is indeed but yes, the same is true for PS3 games, the only exception are those without release dates like Metal Gear Ground Zeroes and couple of others like Project CARS. Other than that it's the same, all the major games are scheduled for release before E3 for that reason.

 

[daus26]

Eh, even if it's nearly non-existent, I still have a bit of hope that it'll release for PS3, mainly on the fact that the user base is pretty high even for an exclusive game. Some of the games releasing before E3 are new IPs and exclusive PS3 games like Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls and God of War won't be anywhere close to selling as well as Gran Turismo so it's logical that they would have to release within Q2 of 2013 or before next-gen hype begins.

Sony doesn't particularly need a GT at launch, nor is it a do or die situation like some of you guys portray it as there are many other factors that can sway their fate. I think giving us a teaser on next gen GT at E3, and a choice of PS4 sku with PS3 bc so that people can buy and play GT6 PS3 (if it happens) for early PS4 adopters, would be a favorable situation. I mean I'm pretty confident that Sony will announce some PS3 games and stuff at E3, and not just talks of PS4 and its games.

Until then, I'm not completely giving up until E3 comes. I am however, saving up with a specific account just incase I'm gonna have to get a PS4 in 2013 for GT6! If GT6 on PS4 won't come in 2013, then I'll just simply use the money towards college tuition. Win-win for me.

 

[Lain]

Eh, even if it's nearly non-existent, I still have a bit of hope that it'll release for PS3, mainly on the fact that the user base is pretty high even for an exclusive game. Some of the games releasing before E3 are new IPs and exclusive PS3 games like Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls and God of War won't be anywhere close to selling as well as Gran Turismo so it's logical that they would have to release within Q2 of 2013 or before next-gen hype begins.

Sony doesn't particularly need a GT at launch, nor is it a do or die situation like some of you guys portray it as there are many other factors that can sway their fate. I think giving us a teaser on next gen GT at E3, and a choice of PS4 sku with PS3 bc so that people can buy and play GT6 PS3 (if it happens) for early PS4 adopters, would be a favorable situation. I mean I'm pretty confident that Sony will announce some PS3 games and stuff at E3, and not just talks of PS4 and its games.

Until then, I'm not completely giving up until E3 comes. I am however, saving up with a specific account just incase I'm gonna have to get a PS4 in 2013 for GT6! If GT6 on PS4 won't come in 2013, then I'll just simply use the money towards college tuition. Win-win for me.

The chances of the PS4 having PS3 backwards compatibility is somewhat slim, I think.

Software emulation is out of the question due to the complexity of the Cell processor. That's not to say that it can't be emulated, but you'd need an insanely beefy system to emulate any games on it at 100% speed... beefier than even the most powerful gaming rigs you could build today. There's no way that the PS4 will have that kind of power.

Including the PS3 hardware into the PS4 also seems unlikely, due to how costly it would be.

The only hope for PS3 backwards compatibility is if the PS4 still utilized the Cell architecture, perhaps two of the PS3's Cell processors in tandem with a more powerful GPU?

I'm mainly just hoping that the PS4 retains PS1 BC and brings back PS2 BC... PS3 BC would be nice, but based on Sony's axing of PS2 BC on the PS3, I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Samus]

Eh, even if it's nearly non-existent, I still have a bit of hope that it'll release for PS3, mainly on the fact that the user base is pretty high even for an exclusive game. Some of the games releasing before E3 are new IPs and exclusive PS3 games like Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls and God of War won't be anywhere close to selling as well as Gran Turismo so it's logical that they would have to release within Q2 of 2013 or before next-gen hype begins.

Sony doesn't particularly need a GT at launch, nor is it a do or die situation like some of you guys portray it as there are many other factors that can sway their fate. I think giving us a teaser on next gen GT at E3, and a choice of PS4 sku with PS3 bc so that people can buy and play GT6 PS3 (if it happens) for early PS4 adopters, would be a favorable situation. I mean I'm pretty confident that Sony will announce some PS3 games and stuff at E3, and not just talks of PS4 and its games.

Until then, I'm not completely giving up until E3 comes. I am however, saving up with a specific account just incase I'm gonna have to get a PS4 in 2013 for GT6! If GT6 on PS4 won't come in 2013, then I'll just simply use the money towards college tuition. Win-win for me.

It's still too late for a PS3 announcement even if it was being released after E3 on PS3. There is no big shows left for them to announce it and there is no way on earth Sony are going to reveal the PS4 at E3 then have PD reveal GT6 on the PS3 at the same time, it would make no sense. Some PS3 games might be talked about at E3 but not their biggest selling first party exclusive game, not a chance.