I'm so screwed.. My CTS-V

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I blew the rear differentials on my car CTS-V and its claimed as abuse. I have to come out of pocket for it. I'm sure this is going to cost me at least $2000. I was charged $490 just to open it and one technician said he'd never seen one this bad.

Has anyone every experienced blown differentials? Its a 2005 CTS-V. Its back to the Mazda 3.

On a side note this comes a week after i was hit by a car on my motorcycle and injured.
 
I have never experienced a blown differential, but I do remember reading something about the CTS-Vs having a problem with rear wheel hop.

I just did a quick search on Google and rear differential problems seem to be pretty common in the Cadillac.

Here are a few links:

Each of those links were on the first page of the Google search when I searched for 'CTS-V Differential'.
 
No, I was coming to a red light in neutral and before i stopped it turned green so i put it in 2nd(very short gear) and accelerated(TC off), let out around 4000rpm with my music loud i didn't even hear it go. I though it was the gear so i put in 3rd and i think that did most of the damage trying to get out of the major intersection. I had it only 13 days and it has 40k miles on it.

I found out after the fact that the 04-05 CTS-V's have weak differentials and its not uncommon. http://reardiff.jon04ctsv.com/

They are rated at 309lbs-ft but the car makes 393lb's-ft

Grr, I did all my research but I never thought to check the rear diffs since I've only owned one rwd car before this one. That may be why the dealer dropped the price $3k since march....
 
It is extremely hard for a dealership to prove abuse on a car. Somethings are obvious, and some customers admit it ("I missed a few shifts"), but if there is no actual proof (a technician can't just say "I've never seen that so bad"/"never seen it before") and make it stick. If your car is on the internet crushing cone courses, you're in trouble. If it's just normal use, then keep reading.

If you're under warranty, get with the service manager, service director, or "fixed operations manager" if they're playing games with you. If they don't budge, you have the right to get in touch with Cadillac's zone (or district) manager. Don't let them show you the door, you paid to have it inspected.

Remind GM that you'd really like to buy a new Cadillac one day, and that customer service goes a long way in this industry. If you're under warranty, and this is turning into what we call a "known issue", make sure you get what you want. Do not threaten lawsuits or boycotts, or any crap like that; do you really think dealer principals can't afford good attorneys? If you don't get anywhere, you have the right to arbitration.

"Owner participation" (that's where the manufacturer tries to get you to pay for some of it) is not an issue if it is not:
1) Wear item, clutches, tires, brakes.
2) Caused from lack of service/routine maintenance (have you had/required diff fluid changes?)
3) Still under basic warranty or powertrain warranty. Differentials are powertrain, although I'm not aware what the '05 powertrain warranty is on GM cars.

If you're in warranty, did all the maintenance to a tee, and they cannot prove excessive use (or damage/unauthorized repair), then they should cover 100% of it. If you're even one mile or one day over the warranty period, the ball is in their court, or at least, plead for goodwill authorization/assitance based on the tremendous cost of a non-wear/non-maintenance item.

Dealers want a good score from the owners, and helping you helps them, and in turn, helps the brand. Cadillac wants young buyers and young owners, as they have been trying to shake an image that's as old as the brand, and thus, as old as the average customer. Cadillac is not a Chevy (no offense to Chevy owners), the same way a Lexus is not a Toyota, et cetera. Force the issue, and don't let them screw you over with excuses. That's the GM that got in trouble in the early-1980s with crap trannys and lousy customer service.

Good luck.
 
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/

Go there, they will help you greatly. I personally would upgrade to a bigger differential, like a GM 12 bolt if you are gunnna have blow a few grand anyway.

If I can't fix my rear end in my TA that's what I'm gunna do. The stock 10 bolts, and I'm assuming you got a similar one to the F-bodies, are the weakest link. They are usually the first thing to break from what I've seen.
 
Qwestion:

I think you can call the Caddy dealer out on the differential not being changed. As I recall, it should have been replaced for free under warranty last year... All CTS models, as I recall, suffering from the issue.

The recall was announced here, which also included the STS, SRX and Kappa cars. This however was for the rear axle pinion, which could be a part of the problem?

Seriously though, that does suck. It seems like most Cadillac dealers are a bit more lenient with the car, but then again, coming from Domestic-friendly mid-west, that could be a different case. Either way, good luck, I'd love to hear that the car is back on the road soon...
 
man, i almost got a CTS-V. i really wanted one. i think it'd be so sweet to pull up some guy in a gt500 or something and match him off the line (and then lose him in the corners) in a CTS. ultimate sleeper. but i saw a ton of them in my area for around 25k and i thought that was weird, since they werent high mileage, carfaxes were all clean (paid for carfax, i figured it would be worth it during my car search) and they were being sold by reputable dealers. luckily i found out about the differential the day i was going to go take one for a drive. i also found out that the cost of ownership (gas, maintenance, etc) is about twice as much as what i ended up with (350z.) as i am not a rich guy by any means, and buying rear diffs as often as 10k miles (i have seen numerous claims of this) did not seem that great, i went with a "best buy." im still disappointed. other than that its a sweet car and i still reaaalllly want one.
 
^^^

Thats how I got sucked in. The low price. I wanted a 350Z but I needed back seats. I have not received a response from the dealer yet and probably not till Monday where I'll be busy all day all week with work.

I appreciate the advice and I've already printed out some complaints from other owners about the rear differentials. Thanks Pupik and YSSMan thats much needed info, now i wait.
 
If that's the dealer you bought the car from...You had the car 13 days when the problem occured.
IMHO that, along with the recall on the diff is enough for you to get the warranty fix.
And if the car is "certified" pre-owned, you can almost bet that they knew the diff was bad.
 
I thank everyone for their suggestions and opinions but it turns out i did not have to make a case at all. It was determined that something was defective on the top portion of the rear differentials so it was covered under warranty. I have my CTS-V back so i can park the Mazda 3. Now I'll use the money i was saving for the repairs on a new crotch rocket since mine was totaled two week ago today.
 
Now I'll use the money i was saving for the repairs on a new crotch rocket since mine was totaled two week ago today.


You could also save the money for the crotch rocket... this way you'll have saved the money for the crotch rocket, and you won't DIE. Which is good.

:sly:
 
No, I was coming to a red light in neutral and before i stopped it turned green so i put it in 2nd(very short gear) and accelerated(TC off), let out around 4000rpm with my music loud i didn't even hear it go. I though it was the gear so i put in 3rd and i think that did most of the damage trying to get out of the major intersection.

I don't understand, did your shifting have something to do with the damage? I put my car in second gear in situations like that all the time.. :nervous:
 
His shifting had nothing to do with the damage, at least not at that particular instance. The CTS-Vs have a differential problem; they are very prone to blow.
 
That really sucks man. Glad everything got figured out though. I've never had a taste of the V but I had the chance to drive an 03 CTS with the 6 speed in it(maybe it was a 5, it was a while ago at a lot I worked on). But yeah, like I was saying those cars are incredible. I guess the new CTS-V is supposed to be able to take out the M5. You should post some pics up, I'd love to see it.
 
I don't understand, did your shifting have something to do with the damage? I put my car in second gear in situations like that all the time.. :nervous:

No, just that most of the damage was caused getting the hell out of that intersection.

Also, he did put it in second... And then it screwed up, so he went to third thinking it was a gearbox issue.
 
Why would you park the 3?
It has to get better fuel economy than the Caddie.
IMHO, I would reserve the Caddie for "fun drives", first dates, and special occasions.
Things that require an "image" car, that just happens to have "it" where it counts.
 
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