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- Genesisfury
^ Title, thanks.
In need of a tune for a CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car
- Thread starter Genesisfury
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- salpv99
As it turns out, I have been using a Celica GT Four Rally Car in the 3rd Seasonal Time Trial at Tsukuba. I avoided looking at the leader board for a number of days - just to see what I could come up with on my own. I had a pretty good thing going with a Nissan 350Z Gran Turismo. My (sorta) beloved S2000 was, as always, fun to drive. But I couldn't get it to match the 350Z.
I wonder if there is a measure of placebo effect at work when we look at time trial leader boards. When we see that the Celica Rally Car is at the top, is it necessarily the best car for the situation ? For the very, very top guys, it probably is - as there is soooo little margin for error. But I'm not going to be in contention for the top spot. Maybe a different car with a different set-up would be the one best suited for me to use in order to get the best time that I am going to get.
Well, that's out the window, because I went and bought a Celica Rally Car. Right out of the gate, it knocked a second off of my best time. However, my best time would be considered by a great many people to be somewhere between abysmal and laughable.
My current best time: 1:03.105 (single lap at Tsukuba in the 3rd Seasonal Time Trial).
TC 1, ABS 1, everything else off.
I don't too much mind getting laughed at - at least not in this situation.
I'll look at how I have it set up and post it. Maybe that will get the ball rolling, even if it is via (constructive) criticism of my set up.
I wonder if there is a measure of placebo effect at work when we look at time trial leader boards. When we see that the Celica Rally Car is at the top, is it necessarily the best car for the situation ? For the very, very top guys, it probably is - as there is soooo little margin for error. But I'm not going to be in contention for the top spot. Maybe a different car with a different set-up would be the one best suited for me to use in order to get the best time that I am going to get.
Well, that's out the window, because I went and bought a Celica Rally Car. Right out of the gate, it knocked a second off of my best time. However, my best time would be considered by a great many people to be somewhere between abysmal and laughable.
My current best time: 1:03.105 (single lap at Tsukuba in the 3rd Seasonal Time Trial).
TC 1, ABS 1, everything else off.
I don't too much mind getting laughed at - at least not in this situation.
I'll look at how I have it set up and post it. Maybe that will get the ball rolling, even if it is via (constructive) criticism of my set up.
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- Midwest
- slow
Bump. Looking for a set up, specifically for time trial race in seasonal.
Try this mate...i did 1:00,338 in that seasonal event, about Pos. 400 (Time Trail)
Aerodynamics: 7 / 25
Gear Ratio (top speed): 210
Initial Torque: 5/13 ---front,rear----
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20/45
Braking Sensitivity: 12/23
torque split 25/75
Ride Height -40 / -38
Spring Rate: 8.0/10.0
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 5 / 2
Camber: 2.6 / 1.5
Toe : +0.60 / -0.10
Brake Balance: 6 / 5
Tell me, if it works...
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- gto_alt
Thanks the tune - defiantly helped me. It made the car a lot more controllable and with less oversteer.
I moved the front/rear power balance to 40/60 and found it a little better. Maybe it is just my bad driving but I can get on the power sooner/faster with less risk of a spin coming out of corners. Right now I am only at 1:02 so take my comments with a grain of salt
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- GTP_Sidplayos2
Thanks the tune - defiantly helped me. It made the car a lot more controllable and with less oversteer.
I moved the front/rear power balance to 40/60 and found it a little better. Maybe it is just my bad driving but I can get on the power sooner/faster with less risk of a spin coming out of corners. Right now I am only at 1:02 so take my comments with a grain of salt
Yes, nice tune. moved my power controller to 35/65 and raised the front a bit. Now in the mid 1:00's with a best 1:00.436 (More than 1000th place LOL). I also had too much oversteer on 25/75. Might play with the gearing next.
@GenesisFury. Hope you guys are ok up in Noosa there. Really has been terrible what's happening with the floods in Brisbane and Toowoomba. We are all with you guys in QLD, hope it stops bloody raining!!
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- QLD
I don't like that tune and wasn't able to find a good tune myself. With the tune posted in this thread the best time I have run is a 1:01:xxx, with that tune and a different gear ratio I got it down to a 1:00:7xx, my best time of 1:00:3xx was achieved with nothing more than full downforce, a gear ratio change to taller gears and change the rear toe to 0, everything else was standard. I haven't been able to do better with any tune I have tried.
I would love to try a tune the top guys use, I hate not being able to tune in GT5, I think I could run a good time if only I knew how to tune.
I would love to try a tune the top guys use, I hate not being able to tune in GT5, I think I could run a good time if only I knew how to tune.
So, since the last tune it has given some slight chances of that setup. I´am now doing 0:59,707 which puts me under the first 200...
Aerodynamics: 13 / 26
Gear Ratio (top speed): 210 km/h
Initial Torque: 5/13 ---front,rear----
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20/45
Braking Sensitivity: 12/23
torque split 41/59
Ride Height -44 / -46
Spring Rate: 15.0/12.4
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 4 / 4
Camber: 2.6 / 1.0
Toe : -0.31 / -0.08
Brake Balance: 5 / 1
Tell me, if it works...
@7HO: i´d like to try the Setup of the top Guys as well, but there is no way to get one...Just try and error....
Aerodynamics: 13 / 26
Gear Ratio (top speed): 210 km/h
Initial Torque: 5/13 ---front,rear----
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20/45
Braking Sensitivity: 12/23
torque split 41/59
Ride Height -44 / -46
Spring Rate: 15.0/12.4
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 4 / 4
Camber: 2.6 / 1.0
Toe : -0.31 / -0.08
Brake Balance: 5 / 1
Tell me, if it works...
@7HO: i´d like to try the Setup of the top Guys as well, but there is no way to get one...Just try and error....
- 789
- QLD
It is a real B.L.A.T. set up. If you brake harder and later it goes from under steer to being very similar to driving on dirt. I can't say that I like the setup although I was able to run a 1:00:4xx with a few mistakes while the kids were disturbing me so in a quiet room I think I could run my best time with it.
I don't think this tune is capable of better than a high 59 though as it is difficult to get good exit speed.
I don't think this tune is capable of better than a high 59 though as it is difficult to get good exit speed.
Something is wrong .. Online leader time is amazing (Davey_skills) 0:58:452 (But still leader ghost accelerating much more quicker than me out the corners and in straight) what is the secret??
this is my setup now,time is better and better but....
Toyota Celica GT-Four Rally Car (ST205) `95 (290bhp,1200kg)
World Circuit/ Japan Tsukuba Circuit (295BHB,1200kg)
*Sport Tyres Medium
Aerodynamics: 8 / 19
Gear Ratio (top speed): 300 km/h
Front/Rear:
Initial Torque: 5 / 13
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20 / 45
Braking Sensitivity: 12 / 23
torque split 45 / 55
Ride Height 20 / -50
Spring Rate: 16.0 /10.4
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 4 / 4
Camber: 2.6 / 1.0
Toe : -0.31 / -0.22
Brake Balance: 5 / 1
TIME : 0:59:899 EDIT: time is now 0:59:629
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- 789
- QLD
From what I read they use a setup that is low in the back and high in the front, I think it was also soft in the back and hard in the front (it might be the other way around) with the roll bars the opposite, apparently there is a flaw with the physics that makes a setup like this accelerate quicker but they also said the car is very difficult to drive and if you watch their laps they are so smooth it isn't funny.
The other thing I noticed is depending on your setup the gear ratio that gives you the quickest acceleration is not what you would expect. With some setups setting the gear ratio to max gave me the quickest acceleration where with your setup setting the gears close and short shifting it helped me to be quicker.
My conclusion is that obviously their higher in the front setup is quicker but we need to work out the details and then we need to find the quickest gear ratio for that setup. I think I saw something mentioned about an oval track setup as well but since I don't know what that is it doesn't help me.
One other thing, running your car around one of the oval tracks in arcade or driving it in races will wear in the engine and give you a few more HP but I do not know at what point the HP will start to drop again. My Celica is at 292 HP.
The other thing I noticed is depending on your setup the gear ratio that gives you the quickest acceleration is not what you would expect. With some setups setting the gear ratio to max gave me the quickest acceleration where with your setup setting the gears close and short shifting it helped me to be quicker.
My conclusion is that obviously their higher in the front setup is quicker but we need to work out the details and then we need to find the quickest gear ratio for that setup. I think I saw something mentioned about an oval track setup as well but since I don't know what that is it doesn't help me.
One other thing, running your car around one of the oval tracks in arcade or driving it in races will wear in the engine and give you a few more HP but I do not know at what point the HP will start to drop again. My Celica is at 292 HP.
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- gto_alt
Forgot, one more comment.
I noticed this when (trying to) tune the Toyota 7 for the second course of the historic race (Monaco?). I keep losing over and over till I raised the top speed even though it is a slow course. At the time I assumed that it was due to wheel spin on gear changes or something but maybe not?
Example!!!!
Honda Intergra TYPE R (DS5) RM`04 (245HP,950KG)
City Circuit / United Kingdom London
Requirements:
*Race Modification
*Sport Tyres Medium
Aerodynamics: 15 / 35
Gear Ratio MAX SPEED 200 km/h
Ride Height: 40 / -25
Spring Rate (kgf,mm) 15,0 / 4,2
Dampers (Extension) 9 / 7
Dampers (Compression) 9 / 8
Anti-Roll Bars 6 / 4
Camper Angle (-) 3,4 / 0,0
Toe Angle 0,24 / 0,26
Brake Balance 5 / 5
0:56:513 my time (online Ranking 57)
Online winner time 0:55:738 (Davey_skills)
Honda Intergra TYPE R (DS5) RM`04 (245HP,950KG)
City Circuit / United Kingdom London
Requirements:
*Race Modification
*Sport Tyres Medium
Aerodynamics: 15 / 35
Gear Ratio MAX SPEED 200 km/h
Ride Height: 40 / -25
Spring Rate (kgf,mm) 15,0 / 4,2
Dampers (Extension) 9 / 7
Dampers (Compression) 9 / 8
Anti-Roll Bars 6 / 4
Camper Angle (-) 3,4 / 0,0
Toe Angle 0,24 / 0,26
Brake Balance 5 / 5
0:56:513 my time (online Ranking 57)
Online winner time 0:55:738 (Davey_skills)
I read the same posts I think. They also said something like "I think tuning in GT5 is mostly broken"
Ride height 20 / -50?!
I don't know much about tuning but that is logically nuts... right?
rear downforce is mostly needed by 4WD drivetrain...when you acceleration...
Rely on downforce to get around corners faster as the downforce pushes the car downwards helping it maintain grip on the road.
good tune mate...You just made a few changes to my setup, but it was exactly what i needed... i came up with 0:59.717...
its wierd to raise the car so much in the front though...
i try to work with the setup now and if i find some ten´s...i´ll let you know...
EDIT: 0:59.492 (The changes are highlighted)
Aerodynamics: 10 / 28
Gear Ratio (top speed): 300 km/h
Front/Rear:
Initial Torque: 5 / 13
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20 / 45
Braking Sensitivity: 12 / 23
torque split 45 / 55
Ride Height 20 / -50
Spring Rate: 16.0 /9.0
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 4 /3
Camber: 2.6 / 1.0
Toe : -0.31 / -0.05
Brake Balance: 5 / 1
its wierd to raise the car so much in the front though...
i try to work with the setup now and if i find some ten´s...i´ll let you know...
EDIT: 0:59.492 (The changes are highlighted)
Aerodynamics: 10 / 28
Gear Ratio (top speed): 300 km/h
Front/Rear:
Initial Torque: 5 / 13
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20 / 45
Braking Sensitivity: 12 / 23
torque split 45 / 55
Ride Height 20 / -50
Spring Rate: 16.0 /9.0
Extension: 7 / 4
Compression: 6 / 5
Anti-roll Bars: 4 /3
Camber: 2.6 / 1.0
Toe : -0.31 / -0.05
Brake Balance: 5 / 1
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