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My distaste for the New Defender has lead me to spend thirty minutes searching for a thread on the upcoming Ineos Grenadier, Britain's best off-roader and workhorse SUV, the actual spiritual successor to the Old Defender. This thing has been in development for years and I can't believe no thread has been made on it. I assume a bunch of you already know about this thing but here it is anyway.
You read that right, it's made by Ineos, the chemical company that doesn't make cars, except now they do. And it's legit - penned on a bar napkin by a drunken Sir Ratcliffe and his rich friends, the Grenadier combines all the best aspects of British ingenuity, including engineering by Magna-Steyr, power by BMW, drive by Carraro, and assembly by France. Okay, so it's not entirely British but the various parts will form a sort of European union that should prove very effective off-road.
Included in the package are a large box in which people and things go, a modern and surprisingly reliable BMW inline-6 up front, a fully-boxed ladder frame underneath those, and two live axles suspended below that. Off to a good start. And it'll have real suspension, not airbags, which is even better news. And it'll have rear and front locking differentials which is the best news you could ask for. Suddenly this thing is sounding as hardcore as a classic Defender, older G-wagon, 90s and earlier Land Cruiser, or Wrangler Rubicon. In fact the Grenadier is currently one of only two light-duty SUVs with front and rear live axles and front and rear lockers, the other being the Jeep. But the Jeep doesn't have cool aircraft-inspired switchgear.
The best part?
It's coming to America!
That's right, Ineos is about to cut the Defender's sales in half in North America by offering the product that people actually wanted. 2023 will be a good year for off-roading, as long as Ineos can keep the price appropriate. Speculation suggests otherwise but I think that speculation is wrong - Ineos would be a fool to not substantially undercut the Defender, and to compete directly with the Bronco's Sasquatch package and Wrangler Rubicon, both of which can be had below $45,000. If the Grenadier with its standard lockers can start at that, or even $50k, it will basically end sales of lower-spec Defenders, which of course barely exist anyway as we knew they wouldn't because Land Rover loves nothing more than to prey on wealthy Americans who adore nameplates.
Anyways, if you aren't already following them with excitement, Ineos has a Youtube channel for the Grenadier where they've shared videos throughout development. They're a fun watch.
Here's a recent Carfection video:
All hail Ineos, the savior of the classic British off-road workhorse!
You read that right, it's made by Ineos, the chemical company that doesn't make cars, except now they do. And it's legit - penned on a bar napkin by a drunken Sir Ratcliffe and his rich friends, the Grenadier combines all the best aspects of British ingenuity, including engineering by Magna-Steyr, power by BMW, drive by Carraro, and assembly by France. Okay, so it's not entirely British but the various parts will form a sort of European union that should prove very effective off-road.
Included in the package are a large box in which people and things go, a modern and surprisingly reliable BMW inline-6 up front, a fully-boxed ladder frame underneath those, and two live axles suspended below that. Off to a good start. And it'll have real suspension, not airbags, which is even better news. And it'll have rear and front locking differentials which is the best news you could ask for. Suddenly this thing is sounding as hardcore as a classic Defender, older G-wagon, 90s and earlier Land Cruiser, or Wrangler Rubicon. In fact the Grenadier is currently one of only two light-duty SUVs with front and rear live axles and front and rear lockers, the other being the Jeep. But the Jeep doesn't have cool aircraft-inspired switchgear.
The best part?
It's coming to America!
That's right, Ineos is about to cut the Defender's sales in half in North America by offering the product that people actually wanted. 2023 will be a good year for off-roading, as long as Ineos can keep the price appropriate. Speculation suggests otherwise but I think that speculation is wrong - Ineos would be a fool to not substantially undercut the Defender, and to compete directly with the Bronco's Sasquatch package and Wrangler Rubicon, both of which can be had below $45,000. If the Grenadier with its standard lockers can start at that, or even $50k, it will basically end sales of lower-spec Defenders, which of course barely exist anyway as we knew they wouldn't because Land Rover loves nothing more than to prey on wealthy Americans who adore nameplates.
Anyways, if you aren't already following them with excitement, Ineos has a Youtube channel for the Grenadier where they've shared videos throughout development. They're a fun watch.
Here's a recent Carfection video:
All hail Ineos, the savior of the classic British off-road workhorse!
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