Intrest Check- Weekly Speed Chalenge

[opendriver]

Ok, I mentioned this idea in another thread, but I think that people outside of the 300mph club might like to do this. Since the WTC is dead, we kinda need something to "liven" things up to say the least. So hears the idea:

• Pick any car (not on the 300mph list, for obious reasons)
• Tune it to the max, or the best to your ability
• Post pictures of you speed obtained
• See whos the fastest tuner

Of course there are going to be rule changes and some loop holes to be filled, but I just wanted to check what you guy/gals thought of this "idea".



EDIT: CAn one of the mods ad a pole saying yes or no? Please?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I could certainly have a go at this stuff.

I think there should be some set rules though, preferably the same that applies to the 300mph thread (no wheelies, follow the track in intended direction, no hybrids etc.). Except that here I think it should be done on a weekly basis, where a new car is appointed every week. Maybe by the winner of previous week? Just suggestions.

 

[eg6_dude]

I think that is an interesting idea. It sounds like it could be a fun.

If you were to do it would it be another weekly thing or just whenever?

(BTW, you have a typo in the thread title)

 

[opendriver]

It would be a weekly thing like the WRS or whatever. Maybe some sort of point system?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

A pointsystem requires a database to keep track of whos done what. Simply point out one winner, and that winner points out the next car. That way, you´ll get some speed (!) in the participation. Again just a suggestion of course.

 

[Leonidae]

I know one car that isn't quite on the 300mph list, lacking 2 mph from that goal.. but i think it could be among the fastest in competition like this.

 

[opendriver]

I could certainly have a go at this stuff.

I think there should be some set rules though, preferably the same that applies to the 300mph thread (no wheelies, follow the track in intended direction, no hybrids etc.). Except that here I think it should be done on a weekly basis, where a new car is appointed every week. Maybe by the winner of previous week? Just suggestions.

Yes, It will have rules similar to the 300mph club. I dont think that the winner of each week is going to pick the next car, but I might do a "theme" sort of thing ( Like I4 under 2L 400-550hp) or, I would have a specific restriction like minimum of 6L or something along those lines. Kind of like the WRS "free runs"

So, how 'bout that?

 

[Loon]

I know one car that isn't quite on the 300mph list, lacking 2 mph from that goal.. but i think it could be among the fastest in competition like this.

I know what car that is....

Back on-topic, I like your whole idea about this speed tuning comp, I personally don't like the idea about themes, I think you should stick to certain cars.

 

[opendriver]

I know what car that is....

Back on-topic, I like your whole idea about this speed tuning comp, I personally don't like the idea about themes, I think you should stick to certain cars.

I know, but it will give you the chance to have a large verity of cars to choose from. So you dont have a playing feild thats like this: ________________________________________________________________


Does anyone remember what happened to the tunning comps we had a while back? 1 car, 1 tracks week after week. I want to keep the WSC "up-beet" to say the least. So the reason why I might do a multi car challenge is to liven things up.

*Waits for DE to come in and say "good idea"*

 

[2078TM]

I think I would go along with the theme idea so long as it is manageable from a competior's standpoint. If the category is too broad (your I4 under 2L, as an example) too much of my time will go into figuring what cars qualify rather than into tuning and going fast (I hated trying to figure out what cars qualified as being under 3400mm or built before 1963, etc, etc). A smaller category might work, for example DTM racers (there's what, five or six?). Even better, in my opinion, would be to actually list the cars that can run.

I do see a possible downside to multiple cars, though. Unlike road racing, where given a stable of cars the fastest is not necessarily obvious (eg: a few weeks back the WRS ran any WRX or EVO and people had varying opinions); with top speed runs I think it would only take a few runs in each of the contenders to find the one that is the fastest.

But I am certainly willing to give any form of this competition a try and have it evolve. 👍

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I can see another problem with a multicar deal too. The level of tuning is not the same on all cars. Some cars can´t take a turbo, some not a stage 3 turbo etc.
Someone WILL complain that "my car couldn´t take as much power, that is why I lost", I promise.

 

[2078TM]

I had another thought.

I think it would add a lot to the interest if speeds are posted throughout the week.
1) This way there will be ongoing competition throughout the week rather than just waiting for results at the end.
2) It will help to build interest in the thead as people post speeds and hopefully foster some discussions and conversations. And as a side benefit the thread will get bumped more often so more people will see it and possibly decide to compete.
3)And it will make people faster. If I think 281MPH is as fast as a car will go I will stop tuning and submit it. But if I then see someone put up a 282.5MPH then I'll go back and try some more.

 

[FormulaGT]

I can see another problem with a multicar deal too. The level of tuning is not the same on all cars. Some cars can´t take a turbo, some not a stage 3 turbo etc.
Someone WILL complain that "my car couldn´t take as much power, that is why I lost", I promise.

First of all, I think it's a great idea, opendriver! Perhaps, to make it equal, why not just choose one particular car per week (very much like the WRS)? You can still have a theme, but it will relate solely to the designated car. Finally, on the topic of rules, the existing Three Hundred Mph Club rules work nicely. Obviously, there would have to be a few changes here and there, but they form a good base...

FormulaGT

 

[MasterStorm]

I'd also suggest sticking with one car. Certainly, it's not much effort to find out which of a group of cars is likely to be fastest after just a few runs each, and so that would just be time consuming - let people focus on the actual tuning instead of testing cars.

I would also suggest that if the single car basis is used, then you should try to avoid cars which have 6.2 mile specials, as not everyone will be able to obtain these within the week, giving those tuners an unfair advantage.

 

[opendriver]

I think I would go along with the theme idea so long as it is manageable from a competior's standpoint. If the category is too broad (your I4 under 2L, as an example) too much of my time will go into figuring what cars qualify rather than into tuning and going fast (I hated trying to figure out what cars qualified as being under 3400mm or built before 1963, etc, etc). A smaller category might work, for example DTM racers (there's what, five or six?). Even better, in my opinion, would be to actually list the cars that can run.

I do see a possible downside to multiple cars, though. Unlike road racing, where given a stable of cars the fastest is not necessarily obvious (eg: a few weeks back the WRS ran any WRX or EVO and people had varying opinions); with top speed runs I think it would only take a few runs in each of the contenders to find the one that is the fastest.

But I am certainly willing to give any form of this competition a try and have it evolve. 👍

Ok, didnt think about that, I guess that wont be finalized

I understand the part for choosing a multi car week, I will do it, but I need to discuss it further with some other people to make it legit. Im not going to do it in the first week though...

I can see another problem with a multicar deal too. The level of tuning is not the same on all cars. Some cars can´t take a turbo, some not a stage 3 turbo etc.
Someone WILL complain that "my car couldn´t take as much power, that is why I lost", I promise.

Thats the whole point of weeding out all of the "bad" cars, to find the best one.

I had another thought.

I think it would add a lot to the interest if speeds are posted throughout the week.
1) This way there will be ongoing competition throughout the week rather than just waiting for results at the end.
2) It will help to build interest in the thead as people post speeds and hopefully foster some discussions and conversations. And as a side benefit the thread will get bumped more often so more people will see it and possibly decide to compete.
3)And it will make people faster. If I think 281MPH is as fast as a car will go I will stop tuning and submit it. But if I then see someone put up a 282.5MPH then I'll go back and try some more.

1) 2)I like the idea of the participant being able to post their speeds as they go (just like the WRS) and I think it would people interested in beating each other.

3) Thats the idea I kind of thought of, but never posted

First of all, I think it's a great idea, opendriver! Perhaps, to make it equal, why not just choose one particular car per week (very much like the WRS)? You can still have a theme, but it will relate solely to the designated car. Finally, on the topic of rules, the existing Three Hundred Mph Club rules work nicely. Obviously, there would have to be a few changes here and there, but they form a good base...

FormulaGT

I will, but ill mix it up from time to time, just like the WRS


DE, If you dont mind, I would like to use the 300mph club rules, as a guideline of course.


/long post

 

[Dark Elite]

Good idea!

(Happy? )

Thanks for making a seperate thread. This probably won't be 300mph stuff, so thank you for taking it out of the Club thread, which hardly needs any more posts in it
However, any new 300mph cars that aspire from this little competition are more than welcome over in the 300mph Club! 👍

You're quite welcome to use the rules from the 300mph Club's first post, copy them in full or adjust them however you like. Thanks for asking

As far as others' posts go, I'm in agreement with Team666 saying that a multiple car choice will probably not work that well, as less mature people might start complaining that their car is the cause of their loss. They would be quite right, but they chose it
Also, posting up speeds throughout the week would be a much better way of doing it, as opposed to final submissions at the end - as 2078TM says, this makes sure that everyone knows where they stand, how much work they have to do, and generally helps keep everyone pushing each other forwards. It would create a more intense version of the old battles in the 300mph Club: here, there's no question of moving to a different car - there's always going to be one person ahead of the rest, resulting in the other tuners being pushed on and encouraged by knowing that a faster speed is possible.

Remember, I used to be pretty sure that the Toyota GT-One would never hit 350mph - we learn from others as well as trial, error, error and trial again.

Just my opinions. Good luck!

DE

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Ok, didnt think about that, I guess that wont be finalized

I understand the part for choosing a multi car week, I will do it, but I need to discuss it further with some other people to make it legit. Im not going to do it in the first week though...

Thats the whole point of weeding out all of the "bad" cars, to find the best one.

1) 2)I like the idea of the participant being able to post their speeds as they go (just like the WRS) and I think it would people interested in beating each other.

3) Thats the idea I kind of thought of, but never posted

I will, but ill mix it up from time to time, just like the WRS

/long post

I have given this multi-car-deal some thought, and I must say it appeals to me more and more.
Thing is, it could actually be very exciting, seeing how different people could get different things out of different cars. And let´s say the majority of participants come to the conclusion that car A is the fastest, and easiest to tune, but someone gets more speed out of car B instead.
I think this opens for interesting discussions and a more "alive" thread, just like you want it.
I say 👍 to multicars, or themes if you like.

 

[opendriver]

Ok, I kind of have a rough outline of what is it going to look like now:


The rules

These are just the general rules:

• Pick any car (not on the 300mph list, for obious reasons)
• Tune it to the max, or the best to your ability
• Post pictures of you speed obtained
• See whos the fastest tuner

Now, for proving speeds:


-1.1 All speeds must be proven by photograph of the Session Record screen showing maximum speed in miles per hour to go onto the leaderboard.

-1.3 Video proof can be requested for any particular speed which is suspected of breaking any rule(s).
-1.4 All types of proof should be posted in this thread.
* 2. At no point in your run must any of the car's wheels leave the ground. At no point in your run must your car make contact with any barrier, visible or invisible.
* 3. All speed runs must be made at the Test Course in Max Speed Test mode.
* 4. You must not at any point in your top speed attempt travel backwards around the course.
* 5. Nitrous is allowed where available.
* 7. No cheat systems or cheat codes are allowed.
* 8. You may share settings in this thread if you wish, however nobody can force you to do so.
*8.5 You can share your photos of your speed progress, but it is you decision to post it
* 9. Please act with courtesy and respect at all times

Like I said, this is just a rough outline. If you see anything that needs to be cleaned up, let me know.

EDIT: I moved the thread to attract a wider audience

 

[2078TM]

Opendriver, I realize this is preliminary - so with that in mind here are my comments:

If what we were discussing was a weekly competition then that part needs to be included as right now this reads essentially the same as the 300MPH thread.
For example:
Rather than "pick any car" how about: "Each Monday we will post the car or cars to be used"
And:
"You may submit speeds (no proof needed except for final submission) throughout the week"
"The competition closes midnight Sunday PST - winner declared by midnight Monday"
(Days and times are obviously up to your discretion)

Rules 1, 1.2, and 6 can probably be eliminated

Way to go. Looks like this will get off the ground

 

[opendriver]

Ok. I updated the list. And if anyone else has something to add, please feel to do so.

 

[FormulaGT]

Ok, I kind of have a rough outline of what is it going to look like now:


The rules

These are just the general rules:

• Pick any car (not on the 300mph list, for obvious reasons)
• Tune it to the max, or to the best of your ability
• Post pictures of your speed obtained
• See who's the fastest tuner

Now, for proving speeds:


-1.1 All speeds must be proven by photograph of the Session Record screen showing maximum speed in miles per hour to go onto the leaderboard.

-1.3 Video proof can be requested for any particular speed which is (*You could remove 'which is' if you want) suspected of breaking any rule(s).
-1.4 All types of proof should be posted in this thread.
* 2. At no point in your run must (can) any of the car's wheels leave the ground. At no point in your run must (can) your car make contact with any barrier, visible or invisible.
* 3. All speed runs must be made (completed perhaps?) at the Test Course in Max Speed Test mode.
* 4. You must not, at any point in your top speed attempt, travel backwards around the course.
* 5. Nitrous is allowed where available.
* 7. No cheat systems or cheat codes are allowed.
* 8. You may share settings in this thread if you wish, however nobody can force you to do so.
*8.5 You can share your photos of your speed progress, but it is you decision to post it (them)
* 9. Please act with courtesy and respect at all times

Like I said, this is just a rough outline. If you see anything that needs to be cleaned up, let me know.

EDIT: I moved the thread to attract a wider audience

The rules look pretty good at the moment- just a couple of small corrections/additions (in blue). I couldn't resist!

FormulaGT

 

[opendriver]

Yes, the rules are fine, but side from a few grammatical errors, its fine

 

[Dark Elite]

Just to defend my wording here

Rule Two should stand as it was, using 'must' rather than 'can' not - because the car's wheels 'can' leave the ground, they are perfectly able of doing so, but if the run is to be legitimate they 'must' not do so. 👍

Modifying Rule 1.3 only saves a bit of effort you've made anyway and I wanted it to sound more official.

As for 'completing' your run, well, you need to start it at the Test Course in Max Speed Run mode as well

I didn't write 8.5

DE

 

[FormulaGT]

Just to defend my wording here

Rule Two should stand as it was, using 'must' rather than 'can' not - because the car's wheels 'can' leave the ground, they are perfectly able of doing so, but if the run is to be legitimate they 'must' not do so. 👍

Modifying Rule 1.3 only saves a bit of effort you've made anyway and I wanted it to sound more official.

As for 'completing' your run, well, you need to start it at the Test Course in Max Speed Run mode as well

I didn't write 8.5

DE

Yes, but when you use 'can' you are implying directly that if one of the vehicles wheels leaves the tarmac, the run will be deemed illegal and disqualified. Of course the wheels are capable of leaving the ground; however during the course of the run, they are not allowed to physically do so.

In essence they are quite similar, but plain English is less prone to misinterpretation.

FormulaGT

 

[2078TM]

Just 'cause we're talking grammar I'll weigh in as well

The correct word is neither "can" nor "must", it is "may"

DE's comment on "can" is correct.

The use of "must" with this sentence structure, however, implies that at no point will the car be "required" to wheelie or to make contact.
If, however, the wording was changed to "During the run the car's wheels must not leave the ground at any point" that would work,
or the original sentence with "may" substituted: "At no point in your run may any of the car's wheels leave the ground".

 

[FormulaGT]

Just 'cause we're talking grammar I'll weigh in as well

The correct word is neither "can" nor "must", it is "may"

DE's comment on "can" is correct.

The use of "must" with this sentence structure, however, implies that at no point will the car be "required" to wheelie or to make contact.
If, however, the wording was changed to "During the run the car's wheels must not leave the ground at any point" that would work,
or the original sentence with "may" substituted: "At no point in your run may any of the car's wheels leave the ground".

Very good point, 2078TM:tup:

That didn't strike me when I made my last post. I realised there was something odd about using a positive instead of a negative; i.e. 'must' instead of 'must not', but I didn't think past that!

FormulaGT

 

[FormulaGT]

Sorry, please ignore.

 

[opendriver]

Ok, I have moved the thread and now added a poll, so feel free to vote