Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem with 22 cars, we need 26.
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I think Audi would do well in F1, they have alot of race experience, so why not?
VW would do well too, considering they own Audi
VW would do well too, considering they own Audi
I'd like to see all of them in there to be frank.
I miss the days of full grids - anyone remember the heady days of pre-qualfying in the very early 1990's? You used to get some pretty wild sessions then - seemed everybody in Europe was putting together a GP project.
Then again, this did give rise to memorable projects like Life, Andrea Moda, Coloni, Eurobrun, Lambo/Modena, Onyx/Monteverdi and Rial...
I miss the days of full grids - anyone remember the heady days of pre-qualfying in the very early 1990's? You used to get some pretty wild sessions then - seemed everybody in Europe was putting together a GP project.
Then again, this did give rise to memorable projects like Life, Andrea Moda, Coloni, Eurobrun, Lambo/Modena, Onyx/Monteverdi and Rial...
There were some VERY dodgy cars out there.
Check out www.f1rejects.com - they have some great backgrounds on the bad teams (and drivers) there.
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I would like to see more teams, but it's limited to 12, so we'll only have 24 car grids. Of the manufacturers you name, I have the following comments to offer:
Audi: Child of parent company VW, run by ex-BMW boss, and known F1-phile Bernd Pischetsreider (sp?!!). Nowhere left to go in motorsport after dominating rallying, touring cars and GTs. Repeatedly issuing strenuous denials, which in F1 language is an admittal. Also, persistent rumours from high places regarding a Jordan tie-up/buy-out, and persistent rumours regarding a 900bhp 3L V10 engine already on the bench.
Nissan: Owned by Renault, already in F1. Have been known to produce F1-spec engines through TWR, although TWR obviously contracted to Arrows, and TWR have prior commitments/obligations to GM (see below). So Nissan not going to happen.
VW: Of the five big manufacturers (Fiat, Ford, General Motors, VW Group, DaimlerChrysler), VW is one of the two not currently participating in F1. Badge-engineers supreme, it's massively unlikely that VW would enter F1 under the VW brand. Instead, see Audi, above.
Chevy: Owned by General Motors, the only other (with VW) of the 'big five' not in F1. There is significant impulse for them to join, but I think they're looking for post-Kirch stability, and to avoid being caught in the storm of the next Concorde Agreement (due 2007) and the proposed breakaway in 2008. Personally, I feel that GM are behind the Phoenix shambles. This is because the Phoenix figurehead is Chris Nickerson, a long-time friend of Tom Walkinshaw. Additionally, TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing) build all the Holden 'HSV' cars, plus do extensive work for Vauxhall and Saab, all three of which are GM companies. I think you'll see GM enter F1 about 12 - 18 months after the Kirch/rights/breakaway row is sorted.
Just my $0.02. I submit it to be shot down, as always!
Audi: Child of parent company VW, run by ex-BMW boss, and known F1-phile Bernd Pischetsreider (sp?!!). Nowhere left to go in motorsport after dominating rallying, touring cars and GTs. Repeatedly issuing strenuous denials, which in F1 language is an admittal. Also, persistent rumours from high places regarding a Jordan tie-up/buy-out, and persistent rumours regarding a 900bhp 3L V10 engine already on the bench.
Nissan: Owned by Renault, already in F1. Have been known to produce F1-spec engines through TWR, although TWR obviously contracted to Arrows, and TWR have prior commitments/obligations to GM (see below). So Nissan not going to happen.
VW: Of the five big manufacturers (Fiat, Ford, General Motors, VW Group, DaimlerChrysler), VW is one of the two not currently participating in F1. Badge-engineers supreme, it's massively unlikely that VW would enter F1 under the VW brand. Instead, see Audi, above.
Chevy: Owned by General Motors, the only other (with VW) of the 'big five' not in F1. There is significant impulse for them to join, but I think they're looking for post-Kirch stability, and to avoid being caught in the storm of the next Concorde Agreement (due 2007) and the proposed breakaway in 2008. Personally, I feel that GM are behind the Phoenix shambles. This is because the Phoenix figurehead is Chris Nickerson, a long-time friend of Tom Walkinshaw. Additionally, TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing) build all the Holden 'HSV' cars, plus do extensive work for Vauxhall and Saab, all three of which are GM companies. I think you'll see GM enter F1 about 12 - 18 months after the Kirch/rights/breakaway row is sorted.
Just my $0.02. I submit it to be shot down, as always!
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Maybe Chevy will buy out BAR if they keep heading in the same direction?
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I think GM will use Chevy to see how far the IRL will take them before any F1 plunge. I don't see the point, they already badge-engineered the Ilmor to CART dominance from 1987-1992. GM has perpetually said no to F1; it will be along time until that happens.
I'm tired of waiting for Audi...perhaps Jaguar is a notice to all prospective "brands" jumping into F1. VW is parent to the four-ringed company, so it's either one or the other. In my mind, VW still has a grass-roots image, that's hard to shake, never mind they haven't competed in anything more serious than National F3 events and a little rallying over then past 20 years. No sports-cars, no Indycars, not much in the way of touring cars...Audi has the prestige and experience, though.
Nissan (Renault's company). It will be interesting at the Japanese GP if a Nissan logo doesn't appear somewhere on the F1 Renault.
Personally, I'd like to see more cars on the grid (I'm used to the old 13-row grids and DNQ/DNPQ's), but if they aren't going to ba any faster than the current state of Minardi or Jaguar, I don't think it's necessary. Remember that tems in the late 80's and early 90's were getting into F1 with $7-10 million budgets...Minardi and others spend about 3-4 times that now. Times have changed.
I'm tired of waiting for Audi...perhaps Jaguar is a notice to all prospective "brands" jumping into F1. VW is parent to the four-ringed company, so it's either one or the other. In my mind, VW still has a grass-roots image, that's hard to shake, never mind they haven't competed in anything more serious than National F3 events and a little rallying over then past 20 years. No sports-cars, no Indycars, not much in the way of touring cars...Audi has the prestige and experience, though.
Nissan (Renault's company). It will be interesting at the Japanese GP if a Nissan logo doesn't appear somewhere on the F1 Renault.
Personally, I'd like to see more cars on the grid (I'm used to the old 13-row grids and DNQ/DNPQ's), but if they aren't going to ba any faster than the current state of Minardi or Jaguar, I don't think it's necessary. Remember that tems in the late 80's and early 90's were getting into F1 with $7-10 million budgets...Minardi and others spend about 3-4 times that now. Times have changed.
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Nissan would probably come out with the same results Toyota came out with being both Japanese
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Well I just read today that they're worried about reliability in the one-engine scenario, so I think they have some work to do yet! In the long term, I would say it's possible, but unlikely. Unless they sold them through Big Flav and Supertec...
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Well they should bring down the cost of running a team, or give it some kind of a cap like 250,000,000.00 so other companys can enter I red some where that ferrari is spending near $$600,000,000.00 Thats what it said in the March issue of F1 magazine, thats sound like a **** load of $$ no wonder we have only 22 cars.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Audi or VW come to F1. When Phoenix Finance bough the old Prost team, there were rumours flying around that it was bough on behalf of the VW group, who were going to enter a team under the Skoda name, as it is racing arm of VW. That would have been cool, especially considering how good some of the more recent Skoda cars have actually been (anyone driven the Skoda Octavia RS? great car, and looks hot).
Nissan would probably fit in quite well, though probably more as an engine manufacturer for another team rather than a team in their own right, but I doubt we'll ever see Chevy in F1, they invest a ton in NASCAR (I think), and aren't really into making small, lightweight cars with lightweight powerful engines, they seem to like the huge muscle car style engines. Anyway, if GM were to enter a team, I imagine it would be Opel rather than Chevy.
Nissan would probably fit in quite well, though probably more as an engine manufacturer for another team rather than a team in their own right, but I doubt we'll ever see Chevy in F1, they invest a ton in NASCAR (I think), and aren't really into making small, lightweight cars with lightweight powerful engines, they seem to like the huge muscle car style engines. Anyway, if GM were to enter a team, I imagine it would be Opel rather than Chevy.
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