Is Sony to blame for GT5's shortcomings?

[OkeyD]

With the recent news that we won't be able to take standard cars on photo travel along with the fact that they look worse, lack interior modeling, are less customisable and God knows what else I began to question their reason for even being in the game.

It all begins with GT PSP. Gran Turismo, being Sony's flagship franchise, is burdoned with the responsibility of selling Sony hardware. This is the sole reason for GT Portable's existence--to sell PSP's. It's pretty clear Kaz's heart wasn't in it. Why would he want to go backwards after GT4? The game was swept under the rug for a number of years as PD shifted their focus towards more important things (GT5), but in 2009 it was resurrected and rushed to launch alongside the PSP Go. Hmmmm.

How does GT PSP affect GT5? Well, obviosuly were it not for that road block we could have been playing the game already. But I also believe Sony has shoved PSP to PS3 connectivity down PD's throat. This means every car from the portable version has to be transferable to GT5. As there's no possible way to model those 800 or so cars in "premium" detail in less than 20 years, we end up with standard cars

Another thing that could be to blame for one the many delays is the implementation of 3D. I've been seeing advertisements for 3D TV's featuring GT5 and it's now becoming apparent that Sony shoehorned this feature into the game at the last minute to sell their crappy 3D products. Just another unnecessary setback in the development of the game and resources that could been better spent elsewhere

So what do you think?

 

[BoneSawTX]

Who ever is in charge of over seeing the making of GT5 would be at fault.

 

[kyleh613]

The thing you have to understand is that any business has people to please. Kaz is not 100% his own boss. PD is a business and needs to meet goals and demands which the board members at Sony are making. It sucks, but that is life.

I think most of it however is Polyphonys fault, as much as we probably don't want to admit that. Poor management, way to many features they wanted to put in the game, and not a big enough staff. Kaz has never come off to me like the manager type, but someone who just loves cars and really wants to make his dream video game. He really needs someone around to tell him that his ideas are good, but they won't work. He isn't very realistic in his goals, but that is also kind of why I admire him.

Who ever is in charge of over seeing the making of GT5 would be at fault.

That would be a lot of people.

 

[Aarron_M]

standard cars...along with the fact that they are less customisable

It's still not proven. There are many ways to interpret the reading of "Changing wheels". I wish you and others wouldn't state this as "fact" when you truly have no idea yet.

Why does it matter who's to blame? If you don't like it, go buy a 360 and Forza.

 

[BoneSawTX]

That would be a lot of people.

Then there you go, lots of people we will never know of.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Im not sure about your "crappy 3D" comments because I watched a demostration recently of a Sony 3DTV and it blew me away. Im very envious of anyone who can afford one though.

Difficult for me to answer in this thread because I don't really see any GT5 shortcomings. The only thing im slightly disappointed is the track list.

The only thing I will say is I agree about the GT PSP and did PD stretch themselves by adding too much content into GT5. Before anyone asks "what content" I mean Nascar, Go Karts, Track Creator, online features, weather, Day/night transitions etc. All of which are forgotten because too many are busy complaining about the lack of tracks, cars!

 

[dunavantj]

How does GT PSP affect GT5? Well, obviosuly were it not for that road block we could have been playing the game already. But I also believe Sony has shoved PSP to PS3 connectivity down PD's throat. This means every car from the portable version has to be transferable to GT5. As there's no possible way to model those 800 or so cars in "premium" detail in less than 20 years, we end up with standard cars

I don't understand why they didn't outsource the standard cars to other company's. It seems like a no brainer! We could have a full track list and all premiums

 

[kyleh613]

I don't understand why they didn't outsource the standard cars to other company's. It seems like a no brainer! We could have a full track list and all premiums

I hope PD does this with GT6. Can you imagine 1,031 premium cars? It would be just insane.

 

[The_One_&_Only]

I don't understand how polyphony digital work man. They have like 2 engineers working on gt5 man. They need to hire at least 500 engineers so that gt6 can come out next year.

 

[OkeyD]

It's still not proven. There are many ways to interpret the reading of "Changing wheels". I wish you and others wouldn't state this as "fact" when you truly have no idea yet.

Why does it matter who's to blame? If you don't like it, go buy a 360 and Forza.

It is clearly stated in a screenshot. Can't get more solid proof than that.

And I'm not complaining. I despise Forza. I enjoyed Prologue more than any Forza game and I will love GT5 to bits. But this whole standard/premium business is such a weird design choice that I can't help but wonder what is the REAL reasoning behind it.

 

[Aarron_M]

It is clearly stated in a screenshot. Can't get more solid proof than that.

And I'm not complaining. I despise Forza. I enjoyed Prologue more than any Forza game and I will love GT5 to bits. But this whole standard/premium business is such a weird design choice that I can't help but wonder what is the REAL reasoning behind it.

This one? Because I interpret it to mean:

The beginning refers to two choices, purchase new wheels, or change your car's existing set. The last sentence refers to the second option...changing your cars existing set. Which would mean, purchasing new wheels would still be available.

So you see, there is another way to read that, and it's not a FACT yet.

 

[rydeen]

Im looking forward to ONLY having premium cars in GT6! Thats what PD at least have to do.

 

[Owen.C93]

They are also accountable for some great things in GT5 and the franchise itself. Go Sony.

 

[Spagetti69]

Q Why can't I change my rims
A Its not the real wheel changing simulator, they have been busy doing weather.

Q Why isn't weather on all tracks.
A Get over it, it's not the real weather simulator, they have been busy with a 1000 cars'

Q why isn't there cockpit on my 1000 car's
A Are you for real? They have been busy doing real time day/night transitions.

Q Why isn't there day/night transitions on all tracks.
A your getting on my nerves now, this isn't a real time globe, they have been busy doing photomode.

Q Can I put rims on for my photomode shoots.
A. *shotgun BANG.

 

[OkeyD]

This one? Because I interpret it to mean:

The beginning refers to two choices, purchase new wheels, or change your car's existing set. The last sentence refers to the second option...changing your cars existing set. Which would mean, purchasing new wheels would still be available.

So you see, there is another way to read that, and it's not a FACT yet.

How can you change the wheels if you can't buy new ones? This is off topic. Take it elsewhere.

 

[PirateThom]

Why does it matter who's to blame?

It maters entirely, if only to avoid issues like this in the future and more or less to see where Polyphony Digital and SCE need to act quickly for GT6 development.

Out of all of Sony's first party studios, Polyphony Digital are by far the most poorly run, they were given a blank cheque in terms of time and money to deliver a game and seem to have built a perfectly fine game marred with a lot of blemishes. At the same time, Sony never stepped in and said "enough is enough" or helped streamline the production or outsource at least some of the work (even passing some of the modeling or whatever to other Studio Japan departments).

Really, I think Yamauchi would be better off if he didn't have to worry about the business side of PD and was left to focus on the game but, at the same time, he would never get the same level of freedom, for better and worse, he gets away with now.

I can tell you one thing though, if GT5 isn't the huge seller it should be, major changes will happen at Polyphony Digital. That's a fact.

 

[Aarron_M]

q why can't i change my rims
a its not the real wheel changing simulator.

for crying out loud, it's not a fact yet.

 

[Aarron_M]

How can you change the wheels if you can't buy new ones?

At the bottom it doesn't say you can't purchase new ones on Standard Cars. Where the hell did you read that?

 

[AlexGTV]

If the racing "feels" right, we'll forget all these. Photo travel, interiors etc. are the iceing on the cake. Hope the cake's not a lie. And it won't.

 

[kyleh613]

Im looking forward to ONLY having premium cars in GT6! Thats what PD at least have to do.

This is pretty much how I feel as well. I don't think I would even look at GT6 if it didn't have all premium cars and a better well rounded car list. I don't care if it has less cars, they just need to all be premium.

 

[sumbrownkid]

The topic title is like asking is the father to blame for the child's color-blindness.

 

[L_Hamilton]

Q Why can't I change my rims
A Its not the real wheel changing simulator, they have been busy doing weather.

Q Why isn't weather on all tracks.
A Get over it, it's not the real weather simulator, they have been busy with a 1000 cars'

Q why isn't there cockpit on my 1000 car's
A Are you for real? They have been busy doing real time day/night transitions.

Q Why isn't there day/night transitions on all tracks.
A your getting on my nerves now, this isn't a real time globe, they have been busy doing photomode.

Q Can I put rims on for my photomode shoots.
A. *shotgun BANG.

+1 👍

 

[Goudvis]

I was only going to buy GT5 to change wheels.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

Quit moaning until you have something to moan about, until YOU have played it, then come and moan about it, Jeeezzz.

 

[daan]

Quit moaning until you have something to moan about, until YOU have played it, then come and moan about it, Jeeezzz.

Yep, fed up with all the childish moaning in yet another moaning thread.