Is Webber something special?

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Is Webber something special?

  • Goodness me yes. The car's a donkey - in a Ferrari he'd beat Michael.

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • He's very competent - he'd beat Reubens, but I reserve judgement on Michael.

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Are you kidding? I could win in that green car.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10

vat_man

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Okay - I'm unashamedly Australian - so I can't judge rationally.

Do the the performances at Brazil and Imola show a very special talent, or are we finally simply seeing someone very professional driving a Jaguar?

I think we're seeing someone on the cusp of greatness, but I think my patriotic fervour might be blinding me. Help me out here.

I haven't voted, by the way...
 
I think he is a great driver, who certainly has the talent to drive fast, no matter what colour car he has underneath him. He showed some very impressive driving in the Minardi, and is doing the same thing in the Jaguar aswell.

But i don't know if he is the next Schumacher.

Time will tell.
 
I agree with Mr Holland, but with one reservation. We have yet to see Webber go up against a competitive team-mate. Yoong, Davidson and Pizzonia (at least at this stage in his career) would make any competent Grand Prix driver look quick.

I would say that it's a shame that Jaguar didn't keep Irvine on the books, on a performance related salary, for continuity and experience. He'd have provided us with a yardstick to measure Webber by, and probably made him look very quick too.
 
Okay, being a true blue, fair dinkum top Aussie bloke, I can't make a rational judgement. But after viewing his performances at Brazil and Imola, I'll say yes, he is a brilliantly talented driver, just his machinery keeps letting him down. :grumpy:

I think that if you put Mark in a Renault (<- yes I am a fan!), Williams, McLaren, or 'Rari, he'll produce something extremely special.
 
I think Webber's not so much a professional as much as he is an extremely gifted and talented driver. He went through a nonchalant and very aggressive phase a few formula's down, none the less he managed to finish high. So I think if he'd calm down a little, and would learn to understand and treat his equipment better he's a potential F1 world champion. I truly believe so!
 
Originally posted by sn00pie
I think Webber's not so much a professional as much as he is an extremely gifted and talented driver. He went through a nonchalant and very aggressive phase a few formula's down, none the less he managed to finish high. So I think if he'd calm down a little, and would learn to understand and treat his equipment better he's a potential F1 world champion. I truly believe so!
Webber's a very gifted and talented driver, but his aggressiveness has let him down in the past. I suppose there is such a thing as pushing an F1 car too hard...
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
Webber's a very gifted and talented driver, but his aggressiveness has let him down in the past. I suppose there is such a thing as pushing an F1 car too hard...

Indeed. It's called over-driving, and that's what's currently affecting Firman, and has previously threatened to destroy the careers of the likes of Sato and Massa.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Indeed. It's called over-driving, and that's what's currently affecting Firman, and has previously threatened to destroy the careers of the likes of Sato and Massa.
Yep, there's that fine line between aggression and stupidity, and some drivers just fail to see it...
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Indeed. It's called over-driving, and that's what's currently affecting Firman, and has previously threatened to destroy the careers of the likes of Sato and Massa.

I think you're mixing up over-driving with not being able to control 800 horsies, Giles. Which was the case with Sato.
 
Originally posted by sn00pie
I think you're mixing up over-driving with not being able to controll 800 horsies, Giles. Which was the case with Sato.

I was being charitable! However, you're right, it did look like Sato was waiting for the rollercoaster to stop at times.
 
haha, its so hard to avoid defending him. why are so many people bashing this guy?

struggling to handle the cars, hardly.

he didnt have a seat this year because jordan needed a pay driver. you honestly think firman is better? he is pretty bad, probably the slowest driver so far. jordan using cosworth engines this year probably had something to do with it also.

satos future looks bright. next year he will have a seat with BAR, a team that looks to be on their way up. There will be no doubting his talent next year.
 
ill be fair and say i believe he was overdriving for atleast part of the year.

It would be nice to distinguish between the two.

IMO if you are fast while looking sloppy, you are overdriving. If you are slow, you are struggling with the car. If someone were really struggling with a car I dont see how they could be quick.
 
I believe that Sato is a good driver, but he doesn't utilise his talent to full extent.

He's a hard drivre, there's no doubting it. I hope he does well next year with BAR.
 
Mark Webber was a victim of over-driving for a while there with Minardi, but he sorted himself out mid-year. Apart from a shocking run of DNFs, he drove nicely for the second half of last year.
 
Originally posted by advanR
agreed, but i dont see how someone could say that he was struggling to handle the car.
Even though Sato was fast last year, he was over-driving, and so, struggling to hold onto the car at most times.
 
Originally posted by advanR
haha, its so hard to avoid defending him. why are so many people bashing this guy?

struggling to handle the cars, hardly.

he didnt have a seat this year because jordan needed a pay driver. you honestly think firman is better? he is pretty bad, probably the slowest driver so far. jordan using cosworth engines this year probably had something to do with it also.

satos future looks bright. next year he will have a seat with BAR, a team that looks to be on their way up. There will be no doubting his talent next year.

Sato is definitely talented, I don't think he's being unduly bashed here. If you want to see bashing, search for posts by myself or Vat_Man containing the words Tarso Marques!

He completely dominated British F3, which is undoubtedly a great achievement, because it's one of the most competitive single seater series in the whole world. The problem with it is it requires a very specific style and having developed that style, I think it's fair to say that Sato struggled to adapt to the different style required by F1.

Of course, it is also fair to say that he struggled with engine failures, and also with the fact that Jordan were struggling to find the funds for an extensive testing programme, but then Takuma himself must take a portion of the blame for these things since he himself contributed to the budget shortfall by increasing the parts build cost.

And it's absolutely right to say that the only reason he's not driving the Jordan this year is financial, even if the rumours of $6m 'support' from Honda are true. However, he did absolutely the right thing jumping at the long-term B.A.R. contract, since that team will successfully lever Villeneuve out this year, plus a year of testing will do him the world of good.

Like I say, he's not being bashed per se, but he has attracted fair criticism for a rather erratic debut year.
 
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