Its Baaaaack: Best Compact Car

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Okay, after the short deliberation, I've decided that doing the 'Best Car' thread was worth the return. I've decided that we're going to go by segment, however, we won't keep it exclusive to national sales alone. This means we must attempt to go with a bit of price differences here, and I will attempt to do my best to keep it as fair as possible.

So, for our first segment:

FINDING THE BEST COMPACT (AND UNDER) CAR

The rules are as follows:

1) Nominate a new car/truck/whatever that fits into the applicable category. All vehicles must be model year 2006 or newer, and MUST follow category specifications.

2) Please post a photograph (or more if you wish) of the car you have chosen to nominate. It helps people decide what exactly they want to look for, and may help those who are undecided make a better decision later on.

3) PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR NOMINATION. I can't stress enough how important this is. A reason for nomination is part of the point, and lets be honest, it is half the fun as well.

Other notes from previous experience:

- Debates are fun to have, so please do so. Be as respectful as possible, please.

- I don't want to hear complaining about certain things. Follow the rules and we won't have to go through it.

- Please also keep in mind that this is a global debate of models, so while some of them may not be available in the US, UK, EUR, AUS, etc that does not disqualify them from the competition, much less make them bad vehicles.

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So what are the rules for this week? First of all, we're trying to find the best compact (and under) car made available to the public worldwide. Pricing budgets have been set at £16,000 GBP, €20,000 EUR, and $20,000 USD. All vehicles nominated MUST fall in those categories, MUST be compact or smaller (we're looking for the size range of the VW Golf or smaller), and must be on-sale as of 2006.

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So there we go! Have fun and nominate. I'll give it a few days for nominations (about four), and then we will move on to the first round of voting.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NOMINATIONS!

My nomination:

2007 Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit

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There is a reason as to why the Volkswagen has always been, and almost always will be the class-dominating, class-leading, benchmark of benchmarks... Its damn good, almost too good, and Volkswagen knows it. Simply put, I can't think of a better Compact car than the VW Golf/Rabbit simply because it is built so well and sold at such an incredible price.

Lets consider the basics here. For just shy of $15,000 USD you get the strong (yet fuel-efficient) 2.5L I5, a wonderful five-speed manual transmission, many standard features unseen on cars that cost thousands more, not to mention the solid history behind the VW brand. Available as both a coupe (cheap) and a sedan (still fairly cheap), there is a version of the Golf for everyone. Beyond that, the drive is a good balance of sport and comfort, and with the ample room behind the front seats, there is more than enough space for the parents and the kiddies, not to mention the family pet.

Cars like the Honda Jazz/Fit come to mind as great rivals to the Golf, and so too do cars like the Citroen C4 and Renault Megane. But simply put, these cars wouldn't have existed without the Golf, and quite frankly, wouldn't have anything to measure their own performance by if it weren't for that spunky little VW.

Therefore, I nominate the Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit for Best Compact Car.
 
So it's been 7 months since the first one...

Way too soon in my opinion. Should shoot for at least one automotive production year. (I stress the "at least" part greatly)
 
I would like to add that the Honda Civic is becoming a good compact car. It is producing 197HP now from it's Honda Integra/Acura RSX Type-S engine. The civic is one of the most famous cars out there, and also have alot of people that tend to rice the civic up. :indiff: The 197HP Civic Si (or was it Type-R?) has a 6 speed transmission, just like the RSX. This is one of those cars that I would like to see to continue evolving, unlike the New Lancer Evolution. They ruined that car severly in appearance IMO. What was Mitsubishi thinking? Now back on topic. The Honda Civic will always be a car that people wouldn't keep stock. I wish that there was a New Honda CR-X though, I think it would be popular, as well as making a New Honda Del Sol, which would finally be a MR car. All this would make Honda more famous, and hopefully better cars added in GT5 or 6. :cool: Atleast the Civic isn't ruined, IMO they made it way better. I love it.
 
The 08's are already out. I don't see why not. :D


Hmmm... Best compact car? I think I'll go with the....


Honda Civic

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This has to be one of the best looking compacts on the market. Its reliable, sporty (in the shown Si trim), while bieng practical (the sedan) The car is solidly put together, and the interior is really freakin cool. :sly:


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This car is the compact benchmark.​
 
One problem with the Civic Si, it is already priced out of the competition. However, the rest of the lower-spec models are fair-game.
 
I agree with the Rabbit, I don't think I've been in a better compact car as of recently. I would have said the GTI but I forget how pricey they were.
 
Because that's what it used to be called, I like the name because Golf was a dumb name for a car anyways.
 
I'll wait for some of the Europeans to come in for this category. The compact market over there is almost saturated with ridiculously good cars.
 
Why did VW decide to change the name of the Golf? I hate the name Rabbit. It makes me not want to buy a VW Golf anymore.

Because they thought that the customer base had no connection with Golf. Honestly Rabbit is a much more likeable car.


AWW WAT A CEWT WIDDLE WABBIT. See? Thats a lot better than AWW WAT A CEWT WIDDLE GOWLF.

:dopey:
 
I, too, agree with the Volkswagen, but here's another great (and less predictable) contender:

Suzuki SX4
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Repeat after me: 4WD for $14,999. That's right, not All-Wheel-Drive, but a part-time 4WD system that can switch between three different modes -- FWD, "Automatic 4WD" (similar to AWD), and locked 50:50 split 4WD.

Between the 4WD system and the live axle setup in the rear, you know Suzuki is serious about the off-pavement capabilities of the car, and it's no coincidence that the SX4 will be competing in the WRC in 2008. It's safe to assume that a WRC-derived turbocharged model will be available in the future.

But for now, the modest 2.0L DOHC 143 horsepower 4-cylinder will have to do, and although the 11-second 0-60 time falls short of its contemporary hatchback rivals, it's the only car in its class with 4WD, which doesn't help its curb weight (a respectable 2800 lbs.). However, even with that weight penalty the SX4 hustles through the corners like a compact should and returns an acceptable 24/30 mpg.

Despite its low price, the SX4 is rather well-equipped, especially if you go for the $16,449 Sport model, which comes with pretty much every bell and whistle standard. Features include keyless entry, a 6-disc MP3-capable stereo with 8 speakers and a subwoofer, and stability- and traction-control.

The car's exterior was designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro's Italdesign studio, and it shows. The car is a rather tall (as if it's a mini-SUV), but it's still one of the most attractive compacts available, with sharp lines and tough-looking details that allude to the car's 4WD underpinnings without looking overly ambitious. The interior, while not particularly special, is purposeful and roomy.

For years Suzuki has been content to focus on its motorcycles and get by building mostly mediocre cars. The SX4 represents a complete shift away from that line of thinking. It's also a damn impressive car in its own right.

And for those reasons, I nominate the Suzuki SX4 to the compact category.
 
I'm going to have to agree with YSSMAN and the Rabbit as the best run-of-the-mill compact people-mover. The car is comfortable as hell, gets good gas mileage, is easy and decent to drive, and is surprisingly inexpensive.

Now if we were talking sport compacts, it'd be a different story...
 
I nominate:

2007 Suziki Swift (sport model preferably):
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Simple yet elegant exterior and interior design, its cheap to run and buy and probably insure, looks better than 80% of it's competition (*see anything from Toyota/Honda/Chrysler), has great fuel economy, and did I mention it's cheap? 0-62mph in 8.9s isn't too shabby for a car in this segment with this price range.

And if both Fifth Gear AND TopGear love it then it must be a brilliant car.
 
After seeing the SX4, I immediately thought "Someone is going to nominate the Swift..."

Good one! It is one of the best compacts not sold in the United States (yet), and it is rather sad we're going to have to wait until calendar year 2008 to maybe get one.

Still, both Suzukis deserve credit where credit is due. Both are pretty good values, as I understand it are quite fun to drive, and overall have a very unique look to them that definitely are separate from the segment.

Will it be enough to topple the class-leading Golfs and Civics? We'll have to find out...
 
Did you expect this nominee from me though? What did you think I'd nominate?
 
Being totally biased, I'd have to go for the Mazda3:
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I've been critical of it at times for lacking the immediateness of its predecessor, the Protege, but amongst the current crop of compacts, the Mazda3, despite approaching model mid-life, still holds its head high in terms of handling and performance. Yes, you could argue that the Civic Si or a Golf GTi handles better, but we're talking mass market compacts here, not the "sport" versions, right? In base trim, the Civic is, at best, sure-footed, but it's not as engaging a drive.

It may not be the final word in ride comfort, but it's comfortable enough. And with the upcoming facelift, they'll give it a little more power, too.

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Regarding the Fit... shouldn't we have a separate poll for subcompacts and superminis? The Fit is a terrific car, but it doesn't quite fit the current compact class.
 
Well, if we simply must have another pointless comparison, I'm definitely nominating this...

2008 Honda Civic Type-R (UK model)
Base price ~ £17,500
Type-R GT ~ £18,500

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For all purposes necessary, there really isn't a competitor for this car. 200bhp, a track proven suspension setup, more than comfortable interior bits, and Honda reliability. I could ramble on about this car's overall "hotness", but I truly don't need to. Facts speak for themselves.

PS. Yes, this car is currently available.
http://www.honda.co.uk/
 
toyomatt84
2008 Honda Civic Type-R (UK model)
Base price ~ £17,500
Type-R GT ~ £18,500

One problem. It doesn't fit into the pricing standards.

MYSELF
Pricing budgets have been set at £16,000 GBP, €20,000 EUR, and $20,000 USD.

So if you can find the Type-R for sale for less than €20,000 EUR, by all means...

JCE3000GT
Did you expect this nominee from me though? What did you think I'd nominate?

I was thinking MK2 Focus...

niky
Regarding the Fit... shouldn't we have a separate poll for subcompacts and superminis? The Fit is a terrific car, but it doesn't quite fit the current compact class.

Probably. My origional intent was to roll those into this class, but I had forgotten that they exist pretty much as an entirely different segment in Europe and Asia by comparison to the US. We'll do so afterwards... Thus far, the compact thread is more-or-less a test to see how things go (aka, pretty good so far).
 
I would of voted for the MkII Focus but I feel the Swift would be in the end cheaper to run and buy. And the GOOD MkII Focus--the ST--is out of your price range. The Fiesta ST would of been another one I would of nominated--but I wasn't sure on pricing.
 
Its a bit less than the Focus, but I'm not sure on exact amounts at the moment. The good news is that we're getting the next Fiesta here in the US, so thankfully it can be a bit of a holdover until we maybe get the MKII Focus, otherwise we have to wait for the MKIII...
 
The Fiesta ST should be a fantastic car in America, I can't wait for it--and the Swift for that matter.
 
Right, so since no one's come forward with it, I'll vote for the

Ford Fiesta Sporting Trophy (ST)


2.0 litre engine
150hp
top speed: 208 kph
0-100 kph: 7.9 seconds
total price (with many options): 18,640€

One of the best-handling small cars around.

AutoExpress Magazine (UK)
This is the first Fiesta equipped with disc brakes at the rear, and stopping power and pedal feel are good. Under the bonnet, the 2.0-litre Duratec engine may lack the ultimate output of more powerful rivals such as the Renaultsport Clio, but performance is brisk, with a near 130mph top speed, and throttle response sharp - 0-60mph arrives in around eight seconds. The tuned exhaust also gives a pleasant burble. Nevertheless, with leather sports seats and chrome details to brighten up the interior, the ST will bring a smile to the faces of fast Ford lovers.

Autocar
The ST's chassis feels harder-edged, more precise and more physical than any standard Fiesta's, with modest body roll and genuinely keen turn-in. There's no doubting the quality of the damping or the rassuring reserves of grip. Or, come to that, the hugely powerful and deliciously progressive brakes. In short, the basic poise and fluency of the ST is appealing. It has a real sense of finesse and precision.

The Sun
What hot hatch lovers really want to know is how quick the ST is and whether it delivers the handling. The answer to the first question is bl--dy quick, thanks to a two-litre engine that delivers a thumping 150bhp, and it handles superbly, out-driving any of its hot hatch rivals. The whole driving experience is spot-on. The slick gear change, precise steering and rock-steady handling and grip while driving at the limit mark the ST out as a special small car. Ford have also been extremely competitive when it comes to price. At £13,595 the ST stacks up well against any of its rivals.
 
I think the given pricing levels are always going to cause problems. You can get a 150bhp 2.5ltr Golf/Rabbit in the US for $14,990 - $5k under your $20k limit. In the UK, our £16k limits us to a 113bhp 1.6ltr Golf! - hardly gives us a level playing field does it?
 
SEAT Ibiza Cupra TDi Smack on the £16,000 limit.

0-60 7.6 secs
158bhp
243 lb ft

Evo 4.5/5
What Car 4/5
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Why this car? Why not it's big brother from VW? Because this is excellent value for money that is basically a VW Polo but without the brand snobbery. It's relatively fast, looks amazing and turns pretty tight aswell without shaking your spinal column out your anus.
 
My nomination goes to the Mini Cooper S.



Widely regarded as the best real hot hatch available at the moment.

• £15,995
• 175 hp
• 177 ft-lb
• 0-60 - 6.8 seconds
• 140 mph
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Rationally seen the Focus II is a bit better than the Golf/Rabbit, but given the various interesting versions of the Golf, the advanced technology of Volkswagen and the to me disappointing design of the focus, my vote goes to the Golf/Rabbit.
 
Are these really compact cars? The Golf and the Civic are large enough to be Family Hatchbacks. I would have thought compact cars would cover things like the Jazz, Yaris, Clio, Corsa etc.
 
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