Japanese influence and races in live time zone

[jacksmith]

I have posted a thread before about this but for some reasons its not in the thread list,I apologise for my grammer and spelling.

As a fan of the gt series I would like to point out few things which according to my opinion need to change or to be introduced.

1.I know that gt was born in japan so its normal to have japanese influence on the dna of the game but what I am not happy about is that in all the previous gt titles japanese cars were favoured.GT-R had 4 or 5 different variants yet they were all the same except the names and yet cars like the c-class did not have any famous variants like the CLK63AMG or all the cars from AMG,M CARS,RACING AUDI series.

2.The other thing is the tuning houses.Europe and Usa have more tuning houses than japan but its always been flooded with the japanese tuning houses.I would like to see more cars from the european and american tuning houses.

3.GT features plenty of classic 70s and 80s toyotas,datsuns and other brands but not much has been done in the case of european and american cars.There are so many classic muscle and old european cars still being left out.

Live time races-

After watching the home page in gt5p I have seen the live temperature from different cities with race tracks.Now enough has been said about the weather but I thought of a simple solution.

If we can see temperatures from different tracks in live time zone then the race taking place on that venue should have the same temperature and weather conditions shown on the home page.GT can pre-plan all the different weather conditions and when you pick a track to race on then it should automatically adopt to the conditions present in the homepage for that particular track for example I do not want to see 15 degrees and cloudy for monaco and then when you get there for a race its bright and sunny.Its like racing on suzuka and then in monaco and its daylight on both venues.


The other thing is that the driver should pat the steering or throw his fist in the air after a race victory and not like the stig just keep driving.

Sorry for any mistakes as I am still getting used to this.

 

[amar212]

So basically this - if you only have time to play and race in nighttime - because you work, have familly, friends, etc - than you would ALLWAYS race night races because the game should be linked to real weather/time of day?

And what about weather time/conditions on original tracks?

Wrong, sorry mate.

 

[Klaus_PSU]

Obviously the whole world isn't on the same time zone amar - so it could work, but there should be a choice to whether you want real time weather or set it to your liking.

 

[s15specr]

Obviously the whole world isn't on the same time zone amar - so it could work, but there should be a choice to whether you want real time weather or set it to your liking.

+1 👍

 

[dzidza]

Obviously the whole world isn't on the same time zone amar - so it could work, but there should be a choice to whether you want real time weather or set it to your liking.

So if it's night in my time zone and in USA is morning, i should drive in nights, and my mate in the morning. It's a no no :-)

 

[amar212]

In the perfect world conditons should be set to liking of players in each private lobby.

IF there will be conditions to set.

However, besides licenced RL tracks, there is plethora of original, city and special courses which can't have time/weather as it is.

What about them? And watch your answer in order to not caught yourself into demagogy.

 

[Klaus_PSU]

So if it's night in my time zone and in USA is morning, i should drive in nights, and my mate in the morning. It's a no no :-)

I really wasn't talking about online, and I don't think the thread starter was either.

Online obviously couldn't work like that.

And I agree with you amar, it's a tough issue about the special courses. I guess they could be left at the same time always, like the courses on Prologue?

 

[Ardius]

I have posted a thread before about this but for some reasons its not in the thread list,I apologise for my grammer and spelling.

As a fan of the gt series I would like to point out few things which according to my opinion need to change or to be introduced.

1.I know that gt was born in japan so its normal to have japanese influence on the dna of the game but what I am not happy about is that in all the previous gt titles japanese cars were favoured.GT-R had 4 or 5 different variants yet they were all the same except the names and yet cars like the c-class did not have any famous variants like the CLK63AMG or all the cars from AMG,M CARS,RACING AUDI series.

2.The other thing is the tuning houses.Europe and Usa have more tuning houses than japan but its always been flooded with the japanese tuning houses.I would like to see more cars from the european and american tuning houses.

3.GT features plenty of classic 70s and 80s toyotas,datsuns and other brands but not much has been done in the case of european and american cars.There are so many classic muscle and old european cars still being left out.

You miss the problem - the reason they put more Japanese cars in is because they are:
1. Easier to acquire, because mostly they all backed the game series from the start and all benefitted greatly, so they don't need convincing. Plus the relationship with several major manufacturers seems to be quite good, especially Nissan.
2. Cheaper to acquire, of course we don't know the details of how much they paid for the licenses, but this probably plays a part in why we don't see so many Jaguar's etc.
3. More readily available for sound tests, pictures, handling tests, etc. (because they are based in Japan usually).

Obviously I agree with what you say (and probably everyone does) but there are good reasons why Japan gets favoured, its not really something that can be "fixed".

 

[Tired Tyres]

So basically this - if you only have time to play and race in nighttime - because you work, have familly, friends, etc - than you would ALLWAYS race night races because the game should be linked to real weather/time of day?

And what about weather time/conditions on original tracks?

Wrong, sorry mate.

A time shift option could sort this so, for example, 2PM local is 2PM wherever you are.

In the perfect world conditons should be set to liking of players in each private lobby.

IF there will be conditions to set.

However, besides licenced RL tracks, there is plethora of original, city and special courses which can't have time/weather as it is.

What about them? And watch your answer in order to not caught yourself into demagogy.

PD can give any made up course a real world location of their own choice.

Freely selectable options for this sort of thing would be best though because not everybody would want it anyway.

 

[chepu]

Obviously the whole world isn't on the same time zone amar - so it could work, but there should be a choice to whether you want real time weather or set it to your liking.

Hey!, i Know you xD...What happened to PSU? i have like a year i dont show up there...

Enough Off-Topic, i Think The time thing will be good, but lets say Only for career Races, like events on the Hall, but in arcade/practice/multiplayer/Online mode, you should be able to choose at what time do you want to race.👍

 

[jacksmith]

So basically this - if you only have time to play and race in nighttime - because you work, have familly, friends, etc - than you would ALLWAYS race night races because the game should be linked to real weather/time of day?

And what about weather time/conditions on original tracks?

Wrong, sorry mate.

Sorry if you disagree but you don't have to race if its night time and I am talking about offline not online.You can wait till its daytime in your country for example if there is a touring car race in the world map and its on spa and its 11pm in your country but its 9am in mine then I can race in daylight and you can wait till next morning.Its the same if there is daylight in your continent or country then you can race on those tracks first and do the other tracks after.

And the other thing PD can do is to select few tracks ecspecially in endurance races to only be available in live timezone no matter what time you start it will be according to the live time of the day and for that PD has to establish a live racing time zone.

Or PD can set live timing for every different continent.I only thought of it because it makes it a great challenge and provides a variety and the japanese cars its not an excuse that the are easily available for testing,look at forza and pgr(no offence to all the gt fans as I am one of them) they have many european and american cars,if gt wants to stay ahead in the lead and with the kind of money thay make they should get out of japan and test those cars which are missing.

You miss the problem - the reason they put more Japanese cars in is because they are:
1. Easier to acquire, because mostly they all backed the game series from the start and all benefitted greatly, so they don't need convincing. Plus the relationship with several major manufacturers seems to be quite good, especially Nissan.
2. Cheaper to acquire, of course we don't know the details of how much they paid for the licenses, but this probably plays a part in why we don't see so many Jaguar's etc.
3. More readily available for sound tests, pictures, handling tests, etc. (because they are based in Japan usually).

Obviously I agree with what you say (and probably everyone does) but there are good reasons why Japan gets favoured, its not really something that can be "fixed".

I know what you are trying to say but since america,europe and australia are the bigger markets for PD they should respect it and start including the non-japanese cars more and acquiring non-japanese cars should not be a problem for PD as forza and pgr don't have this problem.

 

[Tired Tyres]

As you pointed out in your original post, PD is a Japanese company. It is only natural that they favour Japanese cars over anyone else's. There has been plenty of European and American cars in GT since GT2. We would all like more variety but PD make the game not us.

 

[jacksmith]

As you pointed out in your original post, PD is a Japanese company. It is only natural that they favour Japanese cars over anyone else's. There has been plenty of European and American cars in GT since GT2. We would all like more variety but PD make the game not us.

I never asked you

 

[WolfRacer543]

As you pointed out in your original post, PD is a Japanese company. It is only natural that they favour Japanese cars over anyone else's. There has been plenty of European and American cars in GT since GT2. We would all like more variety but PD make the game not us.

That's true, but they need to make the game for a world wide market. I'm in Australia... but if I were designing a game for the world market, I'd try my best to actually get world wide cars, not just the Aussie Fords, Holdens and Valiants which would only appeal to a local audience.

That said, I'm aware Australian cars are far less popular world wide than Japanese cars, so its not a brilliant comparison Except maybe the Monaro/Pontiac, the Aussie cars aren't well known.

 

[FoolKiller]

Regarding the Japanese influence of cars and whatnot, I am sure there is a lot of stuff that goes on that effects this other than just PD being more favorable to Japan. That might play a roll too, but I think that Yamauchi's comments regarding wanting NASCAR to introduce American style to the rest of the world and the fact that he owns a Ford GT is a sign that he does want a more balanced international mix. But just because he wants it does not mean that he can get it.

The only way for them to do it would be to force a balance, but the only way to do that would be to remove Japanese cars until their numbers are equal to the other regions.

But as time has gone on we have seen more and more manufacturers learning the importance of GT and so I am hopeful that we will see more balance as the series goes forward.



As for the time/weather thing, it would be best to have all of it adjustable in the options. Much like Burnout allows me to select the time of day so, do I hope, will GT. It would be ideal to be able to chose midday, dusk, dawn, evening, local, or real time, as well as raining, wet, dry, variable, or real time. The only races this wouldn't apply to would be on events that are designed around specific conditions, like a wet track race. Similarly any endurance race that simulates a real world race should be based on the timing of that race. For example, the 24 Hour of Le Mans should start me in mid-morning (or whenever it starts) and have day/night time changes occur as they would at the real event, similar to how the old 24 Hours of Le Mans PS2 game did. Weather would likely be variable based on a randomizer.

Of course, this is all assuming that day/night and weather changes are incorporated into the game. And these are all just my opinions for an ideal setup, not something that will make or break the experience for me. I will likely enjoy it however they implement this stuff, but doing things the way I described would enhance the experience even more.


However they do it, I hope that you can adjust it in the settings so that no one will be forced into a situation they do not enjoy often.

If they incorporate something similar to A-Spec points they should be adjusted based on the set conditions. A rainy track at night would be more difficult than ideal dry daytime conditions.

If there are no A-Spec points then perhaps the PSN trophy system can be implemented in a way to recognize your choices, like a trophy for winning a 3 lap race on every track in the rain.




All of this speculation is fun, but at the end of the day I will still buy this game at launch and likely love it.

 

[jacksmith]

Regarding the Japanese influence of cars and whatnot, I am sure there is a lot of stuff that goes on that effects this other than just PD being more favorable to Japan. That might play a roll too, but I think that Yamauchi's comments regarding wanting NASCAR to introduce American style to the rest of the world and the fact that he owns a Ford GT is a sign that he does want a more balanced international mix. But just because he wants it does not mean that he can get it.

The only way for them to do it would be to force a balance, but the only way to do that would be to remove Japanese cars until their numbers are equal to the other regions.

But as time has gone on we have seen more and more manufacturers learning the importance of GT and so I am hopeful that we will see more balance as the series goes forward.
















As for the time/weather thing, it would be best to have all of it adjustable in the options. Much like Burnout allows me to select the time of day so, do I hope, will GT. It would be ideal to be able to chose midday, dusk, dawn, evening, local, or real time, as well as raining, wet, dry, variable, or real time. The only races this wouldn't apply to would be on events that are designed around specific conditions, like a wet track race. Similarly any endurance race that simulates a real world race should be based on the timing of that race. For example, the 24 Hour of Le Mans should start me in mid-morning (or whenever it starts) and have day/night time changes occur as they would at the real event, similar to how the old 24 Hours of Le Mans PS2 game did. Weather would likely be variable based on a randomizer.

Of course, this is all assuming that day/night and weather changes are incorporated into the game. And these are all just my opinions for an ideal setup, not something that will make or break the experience for me. I will likely enjoy it however they implement this stuff, but doing things the way I described would enhance the experience even more.


However they do it, I hope that you can adjust it in the settings so that no one will be forced into a situation they do not enjoy often.

If they incorporate something similar to A-Spec points they should be adjusted based on the set conditions. A rainy track at night would be more difficult than ideal dry daytime conditions.

If there are no A-Spec points then perhaps the PSN trophy system can be implemented in a way to recognize your choices, like a trophy for winning a 3 lap race on every track in the rain.




All of this speculation is fun, but at the end of the day I will still buy this game at launch and likely love it.

I was saying it should be according to the live timing in the track country.If your starting a race in japan and its morning there then you should be racing in morning and if its dark then it should take place in darkness regardless the time in your country,it should depend on the day/night conditions of the country with the track we are racing on same with the weather conditions.PD can give it as an option or make few races take places in live time zone.

And I agree that if gt is a world game then it should be more balance.

 

[Lucas]

I won't lie. I don't like the fact Japan had hundreds of cars in GT4, while the other manufacturer's cars (all combined) could not even surpass that number of cars. But i hate the fact that America, for example, got the famous models (Corvette, Camaro, Chevelle, and not even all, the old Mustang was missing), instead of other cars, such as the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Ford Sierra Cosworth, etc.

 

[jacksmith]

I won't lie. I don't like the fact Japan had hundreds of cars in GT4, while the other manufacturer's cars (all combined) could not even surpass that number of cars. But i hate the fact that America, for example, got the famous models (Corvette, Camaro, Chevelle, and not even all, the old Mustang was missing), instead of other cars, such as the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Ford Sierra Cosworth, etc.

Very truethe small datsuns and toyotas from the 70s were in gt but all the legendary muscle cars weren't.I mean not most of them and there are so many tuned japanese cars but not many european and american cars like the FIA GT3 OR GT2 cars

 

[VenomdanF1]

I agreed with FoolKiller on the time and weather issue, and hope that its added in GT5.
Just to throw this, I was thinking last night and still PD is adding in NASCAR to GT5, could they add Indy Car? Just a thought.

 

[RACECAR]

After getting through the repetitive Release date threads these new members keep putting up without clearly reading the stickies, I finally found a thread worth reading and posting in:

I have posted a thread before about this but for some reasons its not in the thread list,I apologise for my grammer and spelling.

As a fan of the gt series I would like to point out few things which according to my opinion need to change or to be introduced.

1.I know that gt was born in japan so its normal to have japanese influence on the dna of the game but what I am not happy about is that in all the previous gt titles japanese cars were favoured.GT-R had 4 or 5 different variants yet they were all the same except the names and yet cars like the c-class did not have any famous variants like the CLK63AMG or all the cars from AMG,M CARS,RACING AUDI series.

2.The other thing is the tuning houses.Europe and Usa have more tuning houses than japan but its always been flooded with the japanese tuning houses.I would like to see more cars from the european and american tuning houses.

3.GT features plenty of classic 70s and 80s toyotas,datsuns and other brands but not much has been done in the case of european and american cars.There are so many classic muscle and old european cars still being left out.

Simple answer: Availability. Whatever car you see in GT is what was readily available(or at least the most readily available at the point in time). Turn 10 gets more money to access cars(which from what I see, ironically outnumbers the amount of Japanese cars) then PD.

Live time races-

After watching the home page in gt5p I have seen the live temperature from different cities with race tracks.Now enough has been said about the weather but I thought of a simple solution.

If we can see temperatures from different tracks in live time zone then the race taking place on that venue should have the same temperature and weather conditions shown on the home page.GT can pre-plan all the different weather conditions and when you pick a track to race on then it should automatically adopt to the conditions present in the homepage for that particular track for example I do not want to see 15 degrees and cloudy for monaco and then when you get there for a race its bright and sunny.Its like racing on suzuka and then in monaco and its daylight on both venues.

Here's a problem I have with this: What if I don't want to race Suzuka in the daytime while its sunny over there in real life? What if I don't want to race Monaco at night while its nighttime over there in real life? This severly limits freedom to pick what conditions and what time people want to race at a readily available time. If I want to do some test laps in my Audi R10 at Sebring in the night time or do some laps around Indy in my Toyota in bright daylight, I don't want to wait until that time to do it. Sure it would be cool to do that, but I'd prefer if it was an option rather then standard.

The other thing is that the driver should pat the steering or throw his fist in the air after a race victory and not like the stig just keep driving.

I thought thats what the player is supposed to

Sorry for any mistakes as I am still getting used to this.

Other then some missing commas (and a few closely spaced sentences), your english is far better then most native english speakers these days. I don't see you typing l33t sp3ak so its all good:tup:

 

[Conquerer]

The way it should work would be to ask you what you want before you race. So before you go to the race you choose between:

Real time
Day
Night
Dawn
etc.

Or maybe even an option to set the actual clock so you have even more of a variety. It would be nice to get to choose the type of weather as well for the choices, so you could choose dry, rain, etc.

 

[Vincent]

A livetrack feature, as an option, would be phenomenal.

 

[Dave A]

Obviously the whole world isn't on the same time zone amar - so it could work, but there should be a choice to whether you want real time weather or set it to your liking.

You're right, and I agree as an option there would be nothing wrong wth the idea. But in response to the original post having a live time connection to the tracks in GT mode wouldn't be nice if you couldn't turn it off. A lot of people tend to have slots of time to play a game usually around the same part of each day. If such a feature was mandatory that would mean you would always be racing the tracks at around the same time of day for each of thier respective time zones. For example, I might only get to play between 9-20pm, that would mean I was driving nearly all European courses at night nearly all year round. In contrast I'd be driving all American courses in the day nearly all year round etc.

I'd much rather times be pre-set in GT mode, ie for the snday cup you race Autumn Ring Mini at 1pm, then in a different event you race it at 10pm etc, I'd like that. Then have the time as an option in other modes and then having another option to match the real time in addition to that wouldn't be a bad thing imo.

 

[jacksmith]

A livetrack feature, as an option, would be phenomenal.

That would be a fantastic option.Imagine spa or suzuka under live timing zone and imagine racing their at midnight and at lunch time with its raining on some parts of spa and dry on the other parts.

 

[deadlyz33]

In my opinion Japanese cars and motorsport are the best part of the game. They are the GT bread and butter, and what made me fall in love with GT so much. I want MORE skylines, MORE Nissan, and MORE Japanese tuning houses.

One thing that reeeeeeally bothers me is when people say "boohoo so many skylines" when they are ignoring the fact that it probably took them 2 minutes to take the GTR model they already had and change a few specs to make it into a different edition. Not to mention GTR is THE most legendary car from Japan and the fact it was an incredible piece of engineering. Nissan has completely supported Gran Turismo since DAY ONE. You think PD should just forget that? Frankly Nissan deserves to have the most cars in the whole game in my opinion.

In the end we all have our vision of what the perfect Gran Turismo would be, and unfortunately its not up to us, or i'd have MORE JAPANESE CARS. Japanese cars are what Gran Turismo is all about in my opinion and they are my favorite part.

Oh and the time zone/weather thing I think will quite definitely get implemented as a "weather option" for single or online races, but I don't think it will be implemented in career mode except for 24hr races maybe. Just mostly a cool online/free run option.

 

[RAVELLRON]

gt series mature day after day more and more.... PD is facing worldwide, so you have to wait only a bit cuz there will be many european cars from now to ever...

 

[jacksmith]

In my opinion Japanese cars and motorsport are the best part of the game. They are the GT bread and butter, and what made me fall in love with GT so much. I want MORE skylines, MORE Nissan, and MORE Japanese tuning houses.

One thing that reeeeeeally bothers me is when people say "boohoo so many skylines" when they are ignoring the fact that it probably took them 2 minutes to take the GTR model they already had and change a few specs to make it into a different edition. Nissan has completely supported Gran Turismo since DAY ONE. You think PD is going to forget that? Frankly Nissan deserves to have the most cars in the whole game in my opinion.

In the end we all have our vision of what the perfect Gran Turismo would be, and unfortunately its not up to us, or i'd have MORE JAPANESE CARS. Japanese cars are what Gran Turismo is all about in my opinion and they are my favorite part.

Oh and the time zone/weather thing I think will quite definitely get implemented as a "weather option" for single or online races, but I don't think it will be implemented in career mode except for 24hr races maybe. Just mostly a cool online/free run option.

I agree with you but since we the fans have been supporting gt from day one and most of us are non-japanese so we need cars from different parts of the world and if you want to see more nissans and japanese cars then you should get some other game,if gt wants to reach players all around the world then they have to include cars from all around the world just because nissan supported them does not mean they should bow to them and have 50 different skylines while there are 5 different m3s,more than 10 different amgs and m cars and various hot dodges,chevys,fords and so on.GT is like a dream for all those people who cannot afford to own or will one day a car like f430,db9 or corvette but gt tries to make the driving experience real so it will be like driving them in real life and if they only wana have japanese toys in gt then I would not want to play it as most of other fans,I want to drive a 70s and 60s corvette and mustang,r32/33/34 as well as an old m3 csl from the 80s and if gt only want to fill the game with more japanese cars then long live forza.

 

[Slurm]

GT5P's real-world weather locations, all centered over race tracks, many of which are already featured in GT games, is a pretty big clue to their intentions imo.

And they could easily make a system to work for their original tracks, besides, the tracks have been divided up in this way before.

All these people who think that having 100% control and choice over everything in a game is always the best... To you I say: It's boring and I hope that things never end up this way. I personally would like the weather to be something that I have no control over.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Hi i am Nathan, i'm a noob here to GTplanet and to me this board seems more down to earth and not so biased.Hope we can have a laugh.Anyway i have a solution, to how a weather menu in GT5 ( it's an old idea though ) could be used.With the live weather why not have a slider that reduces the harshness of the weather, if for instance a real race would have been called off due to thick fog, after that you can carry on racing or practicing etc.Flight Unlimited 3 had this feature in the game.What does the collective masses on GTPlanet think ?.Here is a link to the weather menu in FU3.When online the time zone for one selected track, is not changeable the time though updates to the current time, from the country/track you choose.If you look at the FU3 pic you might see a season modifier there, that would be put to good use, in the rally section of the game.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/flig...m_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;2

 

[Scaff]

I never asked you

First off don't triple post, secondly please use punctuation to the best of your ability and finally don't be rude to people.

Members do not need your permission to reply to you, if you post here then expect people to respond.

If you don't like that idea, well then think twice before posting.


Regards

Scaff