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So apparently the burial site of Jesus was found. I honestly dont have much of an opinion on this other than it's kind of interesting to see what comes of Christianity if this turns out to be true. Apparently from what I hear that means it will change the way Christians think and supposedly it means there are people running around with Jesus blood in them. I get the feeling this is just a PR scandal.

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JERUSALEM (AP) -- Filmmakers and researchers on Monday unveiled two ancient stone boxes they said may have once contained the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, but several scholars derided the claims made in a new documentary as unfounded and contradictory to basic Christian beliefs.

"The Lost Tomb of Jesus," produced by Oscar-winning director James Cameron and scheduled to air March 4 on the Discovery Channel, argues that 10 small caskets discovered in 1980 in a Jerusalem suburb may have held the bones of Jesus and his family.

One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son, according to the film. (Watch why it could be any Mary, Jesus and Joseph in those boxes Video)

"There's a definite sense that you have to pinch yourself," Cameron said Monday at a news conference. He told NBC'S "Today" show earlier that statisticians found "in the range of a couple of million to one" in favor of the documentary's conclusions about the caskets, or ossuaries. (Watch Cameron talk about his involvement in the documentary Video)

Simcha Jacobovici, the Toronto filmmaker who directed the film, said that a name on one of the ossuaries -- "Mariamene" -- offers evidence that the tomb is that of Jesus and his family. In early Christian texts, "Mariamene" is the name of Mary Magdalene, he said.

The very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.

In 1996, when the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.

"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.

Shimon Gibson, one of three archaeologists who first discovered the tomb in 1980, said Monday of the film's claims: "I'm skeptical, but that's the way I am. I'm willing to accept the possibility."

The film's claims, however, have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.

Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 -- 10 being completely possible -- it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun." Ancient Semitic script is notoriously difficult to decipher.

Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time," he said.

William Dever, an expert on near eastern archaeology and anthropology, who has worked with Israeli archeologists for five decades, said specialists have known about the ossuaries for years.

"The fact that it's been ignored tells you something," said Dever, professor emeritus at the University of Arizona. "It would be amusing if it didn't mislead so many people."

Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, said the Antiquities Authority agreed to send two ossuaries to New York, but they did not contain human remains. "We agreed to send the ossuaries, but it doesn't mean that we agree with" the filmmakers, she said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/26/jesus.sburial.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
 
It's a big news until you actually read the article. Also, the TV program I was watching did touch on the fact that Jesus, Joseph, Mary were some of the most common names there at the time.
 
The thing is: so what?

As is mentioned in the Da Vinci Code debates, over and over, Jewish men of the time were commonly married, thus it's no special thing to mention it. If Jesus were married, it would surely have been in many of the Gospels, unless the censors of the Roman times were more thorough than previously thought.

Most moderate Christians may go "meh" or utter a snort of derision. The only people who'd get upset are the fundies who've castrated themselves from society by preaching and practicing (or maybe not) celibacy and chastity.

I'm waiting to see the documentary. I've never thought Cameron to be one to go into conspiracy theory, but let's see where this goes.
 
I'm waiting to see the documentary. I've never thought Cameron to be one to go into conspiracy theory, but let's see where this goes.
Only conspiracy I'm seeing here is $$$. :D

This will sell. Even if it wasn't true, it will still make a profitable documentary, I'm sure.
 
Whether it's right or not James Cameron has got a huge interest in it and he'll be making loads from it. We'll never know whether it's true or not, there's no possible way of confirming or denying whether it was he or not.
 
"They just want to get money for it,"

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

Pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.
 
"But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

There's so many holes in it already though... Well most religions anyway.
 
In 1996, when the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.
But we will make the claim anyway and put it on TV.
 
"They just want to get money for it,"

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

Pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.
However much I may agree with this, it does seem rather cynical - I find it highly ironic that this news will indeed be treated with a great deal of cynicism and skepticism by Christians, when, for all we know, this might actually be the real tomb of Jesus Christ...

I would have thought that any tangible, physical evidence that Jesus actually existed would be welcome, rather than dismissed as a money-making scam by an already extremely wealthy man. Saying that, it is going to be rather difficult to establish whether or not it has got anything whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ himself, but atleast we should keep an open mind and entertain the possibility that it could. A good starting point for this would be to answer the rather simple questions, who was Jesus? and what were the exact details of his whole life?... unfortunately the historical records detailing Jesus's whole life are incomplete and sketchy (to say the least), but a start can be made based on what we do know...
 
Well to me Jesus was just some random guy with a lot of passion... like a good politician or a shwomaster with a lot of talent for making the masses believe stories... and he had a good pr-team ;)
So that's why I personally don't care if Cameron really found the bones of that Jesus, since to me he was just a normal guy. Then again... how could he proove that it really was that particular man ? He died like many at that time, so I don't see a possibility to verify the identity...
 
However much I may agree with this, it does seem rather cynical - I find it highly ironic that this news will indeed be treated with a great deal of cynicism and skepticism by Christians, when, for all we know, this might actually be the real tomb of Jesus Christ...

I would have thought that any tangible, physical evidence that Jesus actually existed would be welcome, rather than dismissed as a money-making scam by an already extremely wealthy man. Saying that, it is going to be rather difficult to establish whether or not it has got anything whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ himself, but atleast we should keep an open mind and entertain the possibility that it could. A good starting point for this would be to answer the rather simple questions, who was Jesus? and what were the exact details of his whole life?... unfortunately the historical records detailing Jesus's whole life are incomplete and sketchy (to say the least), but a start can be made based on what we do know...
If this was something new, I'd agree with you, and I would be intrigued. But from what I've been hearing is that this is old news, and archaeologists do not think this tomb belonged to the Son of God Jesus.

I'm under the impression that this documentary is like that Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, but probably even less reliable. I'd still check it out sometime though, like I checked out Al's. :D
Well to me Jesus was just some random guy with a lot of passion... like a good politician or a shwomaster with a lot of talent for making the masses believe stories... and he had a good pr-team ;)
So that's why I personally don't care if Cameron really found the bones of that Jesus, since to me he was just a normal guy. Then again... how could he proove that it really was that particular man ? He died like many at that time, so I don't see a possibility to verify the identity...
!!! It took Jesus to bring you back in! :P

Even if Jesus was just some sort of cult leader, I still would be very interested in uncovering of his tomb.
 
Well to me Jesus was just some random guy with a lot of passion... like a good politician or a shwomaster with a lot of talent for making the masses believe stories... and he had a good pr-team ;)
So that's why I personally don't care if Cameron really found the bones of that Jesus, since to me he was just a normal guy. Then again... how could he proove that it really was that particular man ? He died like many at that time, so I don't see a possibility to verify the identity...

to me jesus is nothing
 
However much I may agree with this, it does seem rather cynical - I find it highly ironic that this news will indeed be treated with a great deal of cynicism and skepticism by Christians, when, for all we know, this might actually be the real tomb of Jesus Christ...

I would have thought that any tangible, physical evidence that Jesus actually existed would be welcome, rather than dismissed as a money-making scam by an already extremely wealthy man. Saying that, it is going to be rather difficult to establish whether or not it has got anything whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ himself, but at least we should keep an open mind and entertain the possibility that it could. A good starting point for this would be to answer the rather simple questions, who was Jesus? and what were the exact details of his whole life?... unfortunately the historical records detailing Jesus' whole life are incomplete and sketchy (to say the least), but a start can be made based on what we do know...

I have to agree with a6m5 on this one. This is not a new discovery. If fact, the archaeologists finds the possibility of it's Jesus based origins to be highly unlikely. Wasn't this story originally brought up in the 80's? Cameron smells money on this story and will suck every last penny out of it that he can. Just because he doesn't need money, doesn't mean he doesn't want money. :)
 
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