Just got a G27. First time wheel user. Have questions.

[soap_hand]

Okay. Just got a G27. I have a few questions/concerns.

1.) Is it normal to not have stability when clamped to a desk? The wheel keeps slipping and coming undone. It seems you really need to screw this thing in in order to get any kind of stability while racing.

2.) Is it normal for the force feedback to "wobble" like 90% of the time I'm racing? Especially during straights you really have to grip this thing with two hands or else you will lose control. And coming out of corners the wheel really wobbles causing me to spin out. It is very aggravating. I just need to get used to this? This is definitely normal for the G27?\

3) Does the FFB setting(1-10) have any effect in the Gran Turismo 5 wheel setting menu? It says it will only effect Driving Force GT and Pro wheels. Why does it say that? How do I alter the force feedback setting. I've tried 3 and 10 and have not noticed a difference. Though maybe I just don't know what to look for.

4.) Hearing weird noises and feeling "rattles". This one is hard to explain but while racing, especially on dirt tracks I feel all kinds of rattles that just don't feel right. Like the force feedback is trying to pull the wheel but it's so weak I barely feel it and it just rattles.

5.) one last question: After the wheel is done calibrating(first on the XMB and second in GT5) is it normal for the wheel to not return to center 100%? It finishes with the wheel slightly to the right.

Thanks.

Edit: also, how does the force feedback of the T500RS compare to the G27? Is it much better? Does the T500 "wobble" as well?

Double edit: I am running "simulation" setting in the wheel settings menu and have turned off assisted steering. I drive with no assists or traction control.

 

[CBH]

Okay. Just got a G27. I have a few questions/concerns.

1.) Is it normal to not have stability when clamped to a desk? The wheel keeps slipping and coming undone. It seems you really need to screw this thing in in order to get any kind of stability while racing.

2.) Is it normal for the force feedback to "wobble" like 90% of the time I'm racing? Especially during straights you really have to grip this thing with two hands or else you will lose control. And coming out of corners the wheel really wobbles causing me to spin out. It is very aggravating. I just need to get used to this? This is definitely normal for the G27?\

3) Does the FFB setting(1-10) have any effect in the Gran Turismo 5 wheel setting menu? It says it will only effect Driving Force GT and Pro wheels. Why does it say that? How do I alter the force feedback setting. I've tried 3 and 10 and have not noticed a difference. Though maybe I just don't know what to look for.

4.) Hearing weird noises and feeling "rattles". This one is hard to explain but while racing, especially on dirt tracks I feel all kinds of rattles that just don't feel right. Like the force feedback is trying to pull the wheel but it's so weak I barely feel it and it just rattles.

5.) one last question: After the wheel is done calibrating(first on the XMB and second in GT5) is it normal for the wheel to not return to center 100%? It finishes with the wheel slightly to the right.

Thanks.

Edit: also, how does the force feedback of the T500RS compare to the G27? Is it much better? Does the T500 "wobble" as well?

Double edit: I am running "simulation" setting in the wheel settings menu and have turned off assisted steering. I drive with no assists or traction control.

No 1) when clamp to a desk it should not come undone.
No 2) Is it normal for the force feedback to wobble. Hold wheel with 2 hands.
No 3) Does the FFB setting(1-10) have any effect in the Gran Turismo 5. Yes
No 4) That is normal.
No 5) That is normal.

In simulation settings I have the power steering always ON

 

[soap_hand]

No 1) when clamp to a desk it should not come undone.
No 2) Is it normal for the force feedback to wobble. Hold wheel with 2 hands.
No 3) Does the FFB setting(1-10) have any effect in the Gran Turismo 5. Yes
No 4) That is normal.
No 5) That is normal.

In simulation settings I have the power steering always ON

Thank you for replying. Do you mean assisted steering? It is better to leave that enabled?
I must be missing something with the clamps. I'm mounting it to a flat surface. Rubbed stopper things are going all the way back and I'm screwing the handles in as tight as they go. It stays stable if I push forward while steering but even a little back of backward force will cause the whole thing to slip.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Good buy! It does take some getting used to, especially the clutch, and gear shifting. Once you get used to it, you will love it!

 

[soap_hand]

Good buy! It does take some getting used to, especially the clutch, and gear shifting. Once you get used to it, you will love it!

Thanks. Got it for $200 on Amazon. Definitely going to take some time to get used to!

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Thanks. Got it for $200 on Amazon. Definitely going to take some time to get used to!

Thats a great deal. I highly recommend one of these...http://wheelstandpro.com/buy-online?gclid=CJS_3KjFkrsCFVGCQgod0hsA1Q

Its an extra investment, but its totally worth the money, totally compact, well made, and very sturdy. It also allows you to hard mount the wheel to the stand so it never slips. 👍

 

[CBH]

Thank you for replying. Do you mean assisted steering? It is better to leave that enabled?
I must be missing something with the clamps. I'm mounting it to a flat surface. Rubbed stopper things are going all the way back and I'm screwing the handles in as tight as they go. It stays stable if I push forward while steering but even a little back of backward force will cause the whole thing to slip.

Yes, It looks like the clamps are not grabbing to the flat surface. try a none slipping tape under the clamps and then it will not slip.

 

[soap_hand]

Thats a great deal. I highly recommend one of these...http://wheelstandpro.com/buy-online?gclid=CJS_3KjFkrsCFVGCQgod0hsA1Q

Its an extra investment, but its totally worth the money, totally compact, well made, and very sturdy. It also allows you to hard mount the wheel to the stand so it never slips. 👍

Haha! Way ahead of you. I plan on getting a WheelStandPro soon for the holidays.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Haha! Way ahead of you. I plan on getting a WheelStandPro soon for the holidays.

Way to be!

 

[skazz]

Okay. Just got a G27. I have a few questions/concerns.

Edit: also, how does the force feedback of the T500RS compare to the G27? Is it much better? Does the T500 "wobble" as well?

Double edit: I am running "simulation" setting in the wheel settings menu and have turned off assisted steering. I drive with no assists or traction control.

In answer to your extra question: the wobble on straights seems to be how PD built in support for the G25/27. I'd say it's based around not wanting the dual motors to burn each other out around center, and when you run a single motor Fanatec wheel using G27 compatibility it does the same wobble.

The DFGT and T500RS do not wobble around center. You can let go of the wheel on a straight and nothing untoward will happen (except Le Mans where you'll hit a bump and veer off course).

I just got my new T500RS yesterday, and haven't done a direct comparison with my G25, but I'd say functionally you shouldn't expect big differences, they both offer sufficient accuracy and the motors don't get in the way much (unlike DFGT). The T500RS is more refined, smoother, clearly more powerful motor and spin speed, has awesome paddle shifters, has better pedals, but during normal driving you probably wouldn't be faster with it.

Still, if you are wondering whether the extra cost is worth it? I'm obviously going to say yes since I just upgraded, but then again I actually upgraded away from a Fanatec GT2 for use with GT6, my G25 is still attached to my PC

 

[LiMe101]

I just returned mine today and I can't exchange it because of amazon policy. The wheel started to CLUNK pretty freaking hard after a few days. when I turn right hard it would CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK then when I would go on the grass/dirt it would CLUNK even harder. I googled it and it turns out it was a faulty wheel i got. I got it for 200 on black Friday and now I'm really sad after years of playing GT with a DS I finally get a wheel and LOVED IT. I got gold on all the goodwood races with it I was so happy and now I lost it. I get my money back but the Wheel isn't the same price I'm just venting on thread that is similar to what I'm venting about.

 

[Gunstar]

Sorry to hear that man. Why didn't you just go through Logitech?

 

[OdeFinn]

Okay. Just got a G27. I have a few questions/concerns.

Double edit: I am running "simulation" setting in the wheel settings menu and have turned off assisted steering. I drive with no assists or traction control.

Like others saying, Power Assisted Steering helps handling, and saves wheel.
Personally I use Simulation,PowerAssistedSteering,FFB=6,Sensitivity=6(from driving options before race) and Undocumented feature of reduced steering angle(670°) and DeadZone, check from here.

One question for you: Can you check what revision number your wheel has, few known:
941-000045
941-000046
941-000092

Thanks.

 

[markoc84]

Thats a great deal. I highly recommend one of these...http://wheelstandpro.com/buy-online?gclid=CJS_3KjFkrsCFVGCQgod0hsA1Q

Its an extra investment, but its totally worth the money, totally compact, well made, and very sturdy. It also allows you to hard mount the wheel to the stand so it never slips. 👍

I would just like to add that this stand is the best investment I have made for my wheel. So simple to set up and pack away, good enough stability, strong, folds away nicely and can be stuck in the corner of a room when not using. I tried building a few different stands when I got my wheel but this stand is soooo much better than any of my creations.

 

[R34EVO9]

I just got a wheel too from eBay though and I cant get the brake pedal to work any ideas?

 

[CBH]

I just got a wheel too from eBay though and I cant get the brake pedal to work any ideas?

Is your G27 new one or a used one.

 

[Gunstar]

I just got a wheel too from eBay though and I cant get the brake pedal to work any ideas?

Play only Burnout and NFS games? =)

 

[R34EVO9]

Is your G27 new one or a used one.

It was used/remanufactured but I found the problem. The three wires connected to the brake pedal was touching and causing it to short to ground. Found it with my voltmeter

 

[MozzMann]

Okay. Just got a G27. I have a few questions/concerns.

1.) Is it normal to not have stability when clamped to a desk? The wheel keeps slipping and coming undone. It seems you really need to screw this thing in in order to get any kind of stability while racing.

2.) Is it normal for the force feedback to "wobble" like 90% of the time I'm racing? Especially during straights you really have to grip this thing with two hands or else you will lose control. And coming out of corners the wheel really wobbles causing me to spin out. It is very aggravating. I just need to get used to this? This is definitely normal for the G27?\

3) Does the FFB setting(1-10) have any effect in the Gran Turismo 5 wheel setting menu? It says it will only effect Driving Force GT and Pro wheels. Why does it say that? How do I alter the force feedback setting. I've tried 3 and 10 and have not noticed a difference. Though maybe I just don't know what to look for.

4.) Hearing weird noises and feeling "rattles". This one is hard to explain but while racing, especially on dirt tracks I feel all kinds of rattles that just don't feel right. Like the force feedback is trying to pull the wheel but it's so weak I barely feel it and it just rattles.

5.) one last question: After the wheel is done calibrating(first on the XMB and second in GT5) is it normal for the wheel to not return to center 100%? It finishes with the wheel slightly to the right.

Thanks.

Edit: also, how does the force feedback of the T500RS compare to the G27? Is it much better? Does the T500 "wobble" as well?

Double edit: I am running "simulation" setting in the wheel settings menu and have turned off assisted steering. I drive with no assists or traction control.

OK first off is this in relation to a G25/27 and PC or console Gaming.

All the information relates to PC installation ONLY !!

Are you running the Profiler from Logitech ? this is a MUST DO or NONE of the set up I am about to outline is going to mean a thing.

No 1) NO , when clamped to a desk it should not come undone, but sometimes it may be that your desk is right on the minimum thickness to clamp to, place a small House hold Sink sponge under the main unit and that will aid the clamping stability..and grip.

No 2) Is it NOT normal for the force feedback to wobble, BUT this can be effected by the various Add-On mods for GTR2 rFactor and other Games etc and is directly related to the correct set up of the Profiler as well. If you HAVE to hold wheel with 2 hands your FFB is FAR too high and VERY unrealistic.

No 3) FFB settings are very different from Simulation to Simulation BUT again proper setup of your Profiler can minimize this.

No 4) Again this is NOT Normal and highly dependent on the Simulation and the actual Vehicle being driven, some have rather severe effects curve that for a particular vehicle may need to be turned down and or tuned for that vehicle That is normal.

No 5) Again the wheel should be on or about centre but may have a widish area in the centre of the movement that has little feedback unless your "In Game" .

Elsewhere on these forum pages I have posted a concise base setting that will suit just about anyone's driving style and then allow you to tune to suit, again this is for PC. BUT the Profiler settings may well be adaptable to suit console use.


There are a few pieces of information I believe are way off base, allow me to explain.


The Logitech profiler is specifically designed to interact with various games and simulations so that EACH simulation can access various FFB effects via Direct X and allow each specific simulation to adjust and use specific settings for that Simulation and that simulation alone without effecting other Games, something that is extremely difficult without running the Profiler software.

The information I provide here is done so after many years of trial and error and aimed specifically at the PC and nothing else, so that other's may reap the reward of using what I believe the best bang for buck Wheel available on the market !

You must set it up correctly and then it WILL work as designed without the issues that you intimate.

It has been my experience that you NEED to set the Global Settings in the Logitech Profiler and THEN set your desired amount of rotation for each individual Simulation you use,
for instance in rFactor,
Global

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rFactor specific settings

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And in Game the control sensativity is 100% and Steering lock is 15 this results in a very smooth precise steering and far less front tire wear.

iRacing is the same as you vary the amount of steering lock,
My advice would be set your iRacing Profile to say 540 Deg if you like and then test changes in iRacing and then vary the settings to suit the vehicle and your driving style, what works for my my seem very odd to you. Trial and error is the key and you will eventually find the sweet spot where things come together nicely.
Remember also that individual tuning for ANY axis of you controller is available too.

Running the Steering sensitivity at 100% allows the entre range to be accessed by the simulation (This is very misleading and trust me it works)

Now because I run a load Cell for my braking the stock settings were changed
and they may work for you too as is.

The throttle is also tweaked too.

Now while the settings outlined here may seem a bit weird try them and get used to how a car should feel and handle, these setting may not suit everyone but I will guarantee you will be much smoother and eventually faster.
The settings within rFactor and RRE GTR2 and other's are also set at 100 Steering and Clutch Brake but 0% for throttle . once you look at the Bar graph in Game and see the actual effect that the sensitivities has will immediately see what I am getting at.
NB the Allow Game to adjust settings should be ticked in the specific game profile ONLY so that that game and ONLY that game adjusts those settings.
Each Specific Game Profile can be individually tailored to GT Cars or F1 etc and those settings IF changed will not effect any other simulation.

Then to effect a uniform change to the car's steering input and response all that is needed is a tweak to the Steering Lock and or Sensitivity in Game.

Don't forget that some Models in varous Games and Simulations will require the FFB to be reversed and settings tweaked there as well. REMEMBER small changes as the ALL interact with each other.

I hope this helps everyone with their Logitech Profiler.