Laguna Seca 200 Miles - One Driver's Experiences

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Thanks to Hun200kmh and his great thread on the Roadster 4 Hours race, I was inspired to make the event a real competition and enjoyed it thoroughly. After success in that event, I felt prepared to move on to the next, the Laguna Seca 200 Mile endurance race.


Going in, I had a few goals/limitations in mind.

First, the race had to be a close one. I did not want to just run away from the crowd because I simply had no fun doing that. The only thrill comes when there's a chance of loss and you need to actually pay attention to your relative position.

Secondly, I wanted to use a vehicle that fit the scene. It had to be an American car, and I decided that I wanted some classic American muscle. What's more, I wanted it to be near-stock. I finally decided on the '69 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3). This car shows 299 horsepower in a 1552 kg body at the showroom, showing 456 performance points, which seemed about right.


I took the car to the tuning garage and slapped in an adjustable LSD, fully adjustable transmission, and fully adjustable suspension. Then I took it to get its oil changed and added a bit of aerodynamics-more for looks than anything (as I set the downforce to minimum), but the PP came up to 461. I purchased all grades of sports tires and fitted the hards.

I ran the car for a few laps to make some tuning adjustments. When I was happy, I fired up the race.


From the start of the race I could see that this was going to be a tough one. I was never particularly fond of Laguna Seca; the course's lack of a long straight was my primary complaint, and I never really got particularly good at the track. I don't know why not.

I quickly fell back a few places, but eventually, after about 15 laps, I managed to take sixth and hold it for a good long time. I had figured that the '99 Viper in the race would be a shoe-in, but was surprised at how long he was held up in the pack. He eventually broke free, though, and began gaining space on the rest of us.

My car was handling great. I lacked for speed and mid-range acceleration in the straights, and would often be passed, there, but my cornering ability in the corkscrew and the tight turns on either side of the home stretch more than made up for that. It was going to be interesting.

Throughout the first 30 laps I could see that I was losing more and more time on the Viper. If I was going to make this race work I needed a change, so I pitted and swapped my sports hards for sports mediums.

The five cars in front of me pitted soon after I came out, and when I began to hold my ground on the leading Viper my confidence grew a bit. With both of us on fresh tires, the competition seemed to be equal, and when I grew more confident with my car and the track, I was actually beginning to catch up to the next few cars. Crawling, to be sure, but nonetheless, I was making up ground.

After about a dozen laps I was actually close enough to the next cars to begin to set up a few passes, and before I knew it I had crawled into third place. But, on my sport medium tires, I was not going to be able to make 30 laps. Knowing this I decided that I was going to have to pit twice before the end, so I decided to do that at lap 50, 20 after the previous pit. I began to look in my rear view for that Viper. He was close, but I couldn't quite see him back there, yet.

Having to pit again lost me some time, but the experience on the mediums showed me that I could put mediums in the front and softs in the rear, and the tires would wear fairly evenly. I gave it a shot and exited the pits all the way back in eighth place.

Seventh and sixth came quickly, and I began to make some good strides toward the leader. My even stickier tires and the others' worn ones was helping a great deal. I made it back to fifth, fourth, third, and passed into second when the other guy was in for his second pit stop. I was still making good ground on the Viper, now, and got his distance from me down a bit more. His pit stop put him a tempting 38 seconds in front of me. I put my head down and tried to make up ground, but my old tires and his new ones put the advantage back into his court, and he began to pull away. By lap 70, my next scheduled pit stop, he was up to 45 seconds away and leaving me by about a second a lap. Something had to change, and I figured that I had no choice but to try the sports soft tires, nothing else could give me a chance to make up the ground. The catch: They wouldn't last me 20 laps. I suffered the loss of a few more seconds and took my current tires to 74 laps, my current tires weren't dead, yet, after all. I could only hope that was enough to get me home.

I came roaring out of the pit stop with nothing but speed on my mind. With soft tires I was bound to be an animal on the track, the likes of which the other cars hadn't seen. All I needed was for that Viper to get stuck in some traffic like he had for the first several laps. . . and a bunch of very perfect laps. The first measured gap of 1:20 was rather disheartening, though.

I gave it everything that I had. I was hitting apexes 80% of the time in corners where I struggled to him them 30% of the time in the rest of the race. If it would gain me time, I was trading paint with cars that I was lapping. These are basically touring cars, after all. That's what they're for. The Viper's lead was getting smaller, but it quickly became apparent that this was a case of too little, too late. My soft tires might have been better than the Viper's half-worn ones, but I could only gain a maximum of two seconds in a lap. With only 16 left, I just couldn't do it. Things didn't get any better, either, when my aggressive driving began to show in my tires, and with about five laps left, my pace slowed considerably, and my heart sank.

I crossed the finish line just over a minute behind the leading Viper. I took second place, but I was unsatisfied. The race was a great one, it was fun, exciting, exhilarating, and required strategy and speed. It was, in a word, a battle. It was a battle that I lost, however, and I immediately swore revenge. I had learned what would improve my car, and I went to the shop to take care of it. The rematch would have to wait, though.


Stay tuned for round two.
 
Great write up (and inspiration), I'm looking forward to the next chapter and am curious about your new setup!
Do you use a wheel or the ds3 controller?
 
Great description and congrats for making it a challenge. I like to do this too, my closest so far was a 1.9 second win at Suzuka. Sarth or Nurb 24 next :D
Make sure you write up your next attempt!
 
Thanks for the positive words. I realize that I'm probably over on the lesser-seen side of the forums, but it's good to see that people read and are interested!

Do you use a wheel or the ds3 controller?

I use the DS3. I wish I had a wheel but I'm in the midst of moving house and making a major lifestyle change (simplified: from city job to farmer) and need to save wherever I can for now (no matter how much I want a wheel). Not only do I use the DS3, by the way, I use the D-Pad and buttons rather than the sticks. I manage alright as I've been playing this way for years, but I'm sure that I would shave some time off with a wheel. I'm no perfect driver, but have experience going all the way back to GT1, for what it's worth.

Also, I play from the cockpit mode in order to make the game a bit more realistic and challenging.

I also play with all aids off except for an ABS setting of 1.


Okay, to round two...


Preparation:

During the previous run I noticed a few things about my car that I somehow missed in setting it up. Firstly, the transmission was set up too long. I would get just into fifth gear on the straights, and unless I was drafting, I had enough room before the rev limiter to leave it in fourth. I shortened the gears up from a top speed of about 150 down to 130 mph (210 kph). This, I felt, would give me speed to bring fifth gear right up to redline without hitting it, unless I was tailing someone. The 'Vette's horsepower drops pretty fast after maxing out, so I didn't want to be past redline more than I had to be.

Secondly, I found that my brake balance of 5:5 would burn up the front tires if I was braking late and trying to steer into a turn. This likely caused some of my front tire wear, and caused understeer under braking. I switched the balance to 3:6, losing a little braking but, hopefully, allowing me to trail brake a bit more as well.

I also learned from my first race that a tire selection of sport mediums in the front and softs in the rear gave me the best combination of grip and durability, so my plan was to wear these for the whole race and work on a three pit plan with stops on the end of the 23rd, 46th, and 68th laps. I knew, also, that I needed about 75 liters of fuel during those stops, so I planned to pick up 25 liters at each stop.

Finally, I took the car back to the garage for another oil change and a round of chassis maintenance. . . those paint scrapes at the end of the previous race were enough to make it necessary. Because the car had not been well broken in before the previous race, I now had a higher PP of 465 and 314 horsepower.

Time to roll.


The Race: First Stretch


Obviously, I had to pick a field with that '99 Dodge Viper GTS in it again, and after a couple of loads, I found it. The whole lineup was as follows:

1: Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
2: Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
3: Taurus SHO '98
4: Chevelle SS 454 '70
5: Viper GTS '99
6: Cougar XR-7 '67
7: Corvette Convertible (C3) '69 (Me!)
8: Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
9: Prowler '02
10: Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07
11: 300C '05
12: Superbird '70

I knew that the Z06 Corvette would pose some competition, as well, with its PP listed as 504, but all of the smack talking before the race was aimed squarely at that damnable Viper (PP 507).

The race got off much smoother than last time. It took me only three laps to pull to the front, aided by my softer tires and the fact that the Viper had a hard time getting through the crowd. At the front, though, I did not make a lot of headway, managing only to stay in the lead without growing it by much. I kept checking my rear view mirror waiting for the Viper to pass the Camaro that was in second place. At lap eight he did it, and my lead shrank quickly.

Over the next few laps I watched the Viper creep closer to me down each straight, only to lose some ground on the sharper corners on the track. On lap 14, he passed me two straights before the corkscrew, but lost the lead to me again at the corkscrew. Behind him the Z06 had managed to work its way through the crowd, and was now coming to join our lead pack, which had pulled away from the slowly dispersing crowd.

I managed to keep both the Viper and the Corvette behind me through the next few laps, but as my tires began to wear down it became increasingly difficult. At lap 21 I lost my lead to the Viper, and on lap 23 I lost it to the Corvette. Oh, well, I figured, I had to pit, anyway, and did so three seconds from the leader.


Second Stretch


My pit crew did its job and had me back on the road quickly. I pulled back onto the track over 30 seconds behind and back in the crowd in sixth place, but my fresh rubber allowed me to run past the pack quickly and finally make some ground on the free-roaming Viper. I was pulling back to the tune of a second or two per lap and was beginning to feel quite confident. The Z06 Corvette had lost pace and proved easy to pass (and, in fact, would never pose a real threat, again). When I could see the Viper in front of me as he pitted on lap 32, things looked quite good.

I pulled into first place and opened up some breathing room and found that the Viper was back, now, by 32 seconds, a pretty quick pit for a gas-hungry AI car, I thought. Let's see how he likes his new tires.

For the next few laps I managed to hold the lead, but as my tires started to go, so did my lap times, and the Viper began to nip into my lead. At my next scheduled pit stop, the Viper was 25 seconds behind me.


Third Stretch


The guy with the fuel finished filling me up just as the Viper crossed by my starboard side. I watched as he pulled away as I cruised down the seemingly endless pit lane, and finally came out about six seconds behind him.

Again the tables were turned and I was on fresh rubber against his that were a third done. The gap stayed stuck at about five or six seconds for a few laps, but soon my pace was too much for him and I began to close the gap. By lap 55 I was right on his tail, and at the first hairpin on lap 56 I was beyond him. His power put him back past me on the high speed section following that, but I passed him again at the corkscrew and never looked back.

The next several laps allowed me to put a few seconds between the Viper and I, and his pit stop at lap 64 gave me a lead of nearly 30 seconds. Suddenly I found myself thinking that I had made this too easy, somehow. Maybe using the medium and soft tires was too much of an advantage. My altered transmission was giving me too much of a boost out of the slow turns. Somehow I had overcooked it...

When I hit the pit at lap 68 my lead was down to about 25 seconds. My tires were well spent and, again, the Viper was fresh.


Fourth/Final Stretch


I pulled back out 10 seconds behind but still confident that I could close the gap easily in the remaining 22 laps.

For some reason, though, my lap times were not what they were before. I felt like I was still hitting my lines, but what had been laps of 1'42" were now laps of 1'44" and 1'45". Either my pit crew put sugar in the gas tank or the old 'Vette engine was just showing the normal wear and tear that a 200 mile endurance race can cause. Over the next 12 laps I could barely make a dent in that 10 second lead. I showed gaps from 8.5 to 10.5 seconds when I crossed the lap line, but nothing consistent was happening. I began to grow distraught. Another nearly three hours at this race track and another second place finish!? What could I do? The strong feelings of confidence that I had earlier in the race had turned into waves of panic, and I began to think about what I would need to do to get this Corvette a first place finish. Weight reduction? Engine tuning? A big loud muffler?

Enough of that, I finally decided. It was time to put my head down and give it a shot. Flashes of a race that I had heard about from the British Touring Car Championship in 1992, when Steve Soper, who had been knocked off of the course earlier in the race, came roaring back, shoving his way through the crowd to try to win. He and another racer spun off of the track before the end, but his determination was madly inspiring. This race wasn't over yet.

What follows is a lap-by-lap analysis of the end of the race.

Lap 81: 10 seconds behind. I still wasn't seeing any improvement and my tires were beginning to fade, but I had to drive all-or-nothing, or end up doing this all over again.

Lap 82: 9.5 seconds behind. Progress? Maybe. The Viper's tires have to be wearing, too. I have to hope for some traffic to block him.

Lap 83: 9.5 seconds behind. It was just as I thought, no real progress was made.

Lap 84: 9 seconds behind. My hopes are really starting to wane, now. . .

Lap 85: 8.2 seconds behind. Well, there's some closing distance. Keep it up, but I really need to up that pace. I took the car too fast through one corner and ran through some sand. I'm sure I lost some time, here.

Lap 86: 8.0 seconds behind. The little detour in the last lap kept me from a big gain, but I'm still gaining. My hopes aren't quite dashed. I manage to use the Superbird as a barrier to take a turn a little fast. I know that thing's near-priceless. Don't race it if you don't want a scratch!

Lap 87: 6.8 seconds behind. Good lap, still not enough. I can finally see the Viper on the other side of some of the straights, that's encouraging.

Lap 88: 6 seconds behind. Wait a minute...what's this I see? The Viper is about to hit a wad of three cars. If they can slow him down for even a lap or two this might just be possible...

Lap 89: 4 seconds behind. I score a good lap and that crowd is messing with the Viper. It looks like he's shaken one of them already, though. I can see them racing most of the time, now, and it looks like the Viper is pulling through the crowd pretty well. I watch as he pulls to the front of them just as I get to the back. I pass the rear car of the foursome through the last turn before the front straight and draft the next car down the road. This should help.

Lap 90: 1.8 seconds behind. That's a big gap now that the Viper's back out front. This is going to be really close but my lap is going to have to be perfect. I get a good line inside of two of the cars through the first hairpin and have nothing in front of me but that Viper. Each turn I pull a bit closer to him, only to watch him buzz away on the straights. At least I have him to draft off of, taking a bit of the strain off of my rather tired engine. I feel like I'm getting a bit closer but it seems like it's a bit too little at a time. As we pull up the hill to the corkscrew, I can see that this is likely my last chance, as he's always faster than me on the straights after this. The timing looks about right, and I brake just late enough to pull right along side the Viper, cutting into his space to turn in and down the hill. I get my nose pointed down and step on it, leaving him behind and opening up even more distance than I had anticipated. I ease off a little, confident that I can, and make it through the next three turns without incident. I pull across the finish line 0.8 seconds ahead of the Viper.

Sweaty, exhausted, excited, shaky, nervous, I put down the controller. . .

That, my friends, was a race.

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P.S. Why does the '69 Corvette Convertible have a speedometer (in the cockpit view) that is apparently in kmh?
 
What an amazingly epic comeback ! Stuff of legends, I don't think cyberspace's Laguna Seca will ever forget your achievement! ;) Congratulations! Will pay attention to whatever is your next endurance challenge! :cheers:
 
Great write-up Apmaddock!

and a very nice race as well! :)

That Viper didn't want to go down without a fight!

GTsail
 
Haha, excellent finish. Would have been so easy to bin it on that last lap, congrats.

I did that on the 300km of Grand Valley..
Resuming the race, I went against the most powerful car in the line-ups (Impreza '04) with a Impreza Sedan '10 (bought it from the NCD and went straight to the event). Open the last lap with tires shot in 1st, 2 seconds ahead of the other Impreza.
I went to the grass on the 1st turn, lost the lead, and almost got it back at the line.
Lost by 0.018.
 
Wow, man, that was one h... of a race. It was exciting just reading it. Now I definitely will do this race with that same car, it's collecting dust in my garage right now. This is the next race on my to-do list. I've been practicing the last couple of days for the 4h Nurburgring endurance but cannot get my lap times down to 9.0x.xxx even with cars that should easily do that, my wheel is not usable right now, so that one will have to wait till after the redecoration. So tonight I'll give this one a shot! Thanks for the inspiration!

At the moment I'm also using my ds3, I've been gt-ing since GT3 and immediately started using the analog sticks, I think you can shave off a few seconds per lap if you got used to that, you'll expand tire life also. It takes a while to get used to but throttle control is easier and steering way more precise. I even stopped playing GT-PSP because of the lack of good analog controllers, so that one is in the freezer until the 22nd of this month when the Vita arives.

Again, thanks for the inspiration, I know what I'll be doing this weekend!
 
NascarManiaco99
I did that on the 300km of Grand Valley..
Resuming the race, I went against the most powerful car in the line-ups (Impreza '04) with a Impreza Sedan '10 (bought it from the NCD and went straight to the event). Open the last lap with tires shot in 1st, 2 seconds ahead of the other Impreza.
I went to the grass on the 1st turn, lost the lead, and almost got it back at the line.
Lost by 0.018.

Painful :(
 
Hun200kmh
Will pay attention to whatever is your next endurance challenge!

And I to yours! Thanks again for the inspiration. The bad news is that the next endurance race on the docket is the Indianapolis 500, which is liable to be less than exciting unless I find a way to make it happen in a Mini or something. Perhaps it'll be a good time to try racing with the sticks.

Haha, excellent finish. Would have been so easy to bin it on that last lap, congrats.
You should race in our endurance triple event, heres the link. Good write up 👍

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=241450

Yeah. It would have been. That pass at the top of the corkscrew was an all-or-nothing event. A human driver probably would have turned into me and sent me off of my line. Braking any later likely would have put me into the sand and, possibly, wall. It was either luck or skill. hehe

I would love to join your endurance event but I just can't commit to anything like that. With two young kids and a wife I rarely get to run any endurance event straight through, instead having to pause for this or that or race just a couple of hours at a time. . . someday, maybe.


NascarManiaco99
I did that on the 300km of Grand Valley..
Resuming the race, I went against the most powerful car in the line-ups (Impreza '04) with a Impreza Sedan '10 (bought it from the NCD and went straight to the event). Open the last lap with tires shot in 1st, 2 seconds ahead of the other Impreza.
I went to the grass on the 1st turn, lost the lead, and almost got it back at the line.
Lost by 0.018.

Ouch. That fully blows. I know the pain, though. I've lost entire championships through self-destruction in the last race. I'm pretty sure it's caused me to set the game aside for a while.

Painful stuff.

SjefGielen
I've been gt-ing since GT3 and immediately started using the analog sticks, I think you can shave off a few seconds per lap if you got used to that, you'll expand tire life also. It takes a while to get used to but throttle control is easier and steering way more precise.

I might just give it a try. Barring that, I've been a good boy, lately, and my birthday is just a month away. Maybe I can talk the wife into a wheel... Then, again, she thinks I'm obsessed, already. Getting a big plastic steering wheel probably wouldn't alleviate her concerns.

If and when that does happen, though, it will be the time that I restart my GT5 career (again) and get a GTP tag. I'm loving this stuff.
 
NascarManiaco99
Yeah. I thought of doing it again, but then I X1'd the race

Dont blame you, I ran that one properly but X1'd the Laguna and Indy enduros.
Suzuka can be good, I think you saw my report on that. Nurburg next in the 787B 👍

Apmaddock
Yeah. It would have been. That pass at the top of the corkscrew was an all-or-nothing event. A human driver probably would have turned into me and sent me off of my line. Braking any later likely would have put me into the sand and, possibly, wall. It was either luck or skill. hehe

I would love to join your endurance event but I just can't commit to anything like that. With two young kids and a wife I rarely get to run any endurance event straight through, instead having to pause for this or that or race just a couple of hours at a time. . . someday, maybe.

A human (a decent driver) would have gone defensive on you but you may have got them on the exit although doubtful at LS, so tough that corner.
Maybe next time with the endurance 👍
 
Did some testrounds on this race yesterday, I ended up buying a new 135i, left it stock but for the tires, I got Sports Soft, still passed the entire pack by the second round, I don't think this car would give me an exciting race.
The Beemer has about the same HP as your vette, 314 but I guess the handling is so much better in this more modern car that it's too easy to crack this race.
I think I'll go and find me a classic vette too... I just hope my race isn't going to be as close as yours, I'm sure I'll mess up in one of the last rounds trying to catch up with the rabbit.
 
Late to the party as usual, but I just found this thread as I was thinking of running this again myself. Nicely written report Apmaddock. 👍 I think I'm going to try something under 450PP though. :sly:
 
I attempted this race earlier today, got 19 laps in and decided that the car I was driving just wasn't powerful enough. I picked the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S - and left it stock. It was enough to keep pace with the '99 Viper on overall laptimes, but almost everything was faster than me down the straight. When I quit I was 44 seconds off the lead in 3rd place, with a Camaro SS maintaining a gap in front of me. Flat out, the Tommy Kaira was capable of about laptimes around 1:43, but the leader seemed to be consistently 1.5-2 seconds a lap faster.

Might have to try something with a bit more power. I had thought of the Motorsports Elise '99, but it might be too quick.
 
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