Lake maggiore problem with new physics

[jlguay]

Hi friends,

I wanted to discuss about something quite general but that does affect on the last mission of human comedy, GR.3 cars are WAY slowers having a lot more of understeer causing to having to lift in sections like the esses or not being able to rotate the car on the turn nº2, so this leads to maybe 1'5-2s slower laps while the AI is doing the EXACTLY same times as before, making it even harder.

I think I'm right because before, the leaderboards had people with 31 laps and now the best has 30 laps completed but I would like to know ur thoughts on everything.

Thanks and have fun!

 

[Meythia]

Yes, the laps have become slower, but at the same time have the cars become a bit more tame, which makes it a bit easier to not mess up your own line.
The AI is also slower, they dont casually lap for 1.55 anymore.
The pendulum has swung for the Ai and the player + some of the AI are needing an extra pit now.

 

[jlguay]

Yes, the laps have become slower, but at the same time have the cars become a bit more tame, which makes it a bit easier to not mess up your own line.
The AI is also slower, they dont casually lap for 1.55 anymore.
The pendulum has swung for the Ai and the player + some of the AI are needing an extra pit now.

I thought AI was lapping for 1.56 before, but you don't find the understeer so hard now? Maybe I should try more oversteer cars now to get the car into the turn easier.

Did you find any gr.3 getting way better on this update?

Thanks!

 

[Meythia]

As much as I am concerned, I find them better now.
About the understeer: I dont think that is actually a problem, the slower lap times are coming from a differen BoP that has reduced the speed of cars.
The cornering speed is basically identical.

Fresh victory, not an impressive lead as with the previous version, but absolutely not in jeopardy of not being first.

 

[jlguay]

As much as I am concerned, I find them better now.
About the understeer: I dont think that is actually a problem, the slower lap times are coming from a differen BoP that has reduced the speed of cars.
The cornering speed is basically identical.

Fresh victory, not an impressive lead as with the previous version, but absolutely not in jeopardy of not being first.
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Hi! Thanks for the pic as well, it must be coincidence but we tried this with the same car (just because I thought it would not understeer) but u got the victory and I couldnt reduce the gap of 4s with the bmw doing midlow 58s and some 57 but the car just feels amazing it just handles so well even on worn tires, it is slow on straights but feels secure to drive so I can be consistent.
(My last chance its to wreck the BMW out in the first lap )


I still dont get this physics, if u can take a look a this video:
The first attempt is 2 tenths over the world record (for some reason bc I thought it was a bad one) and on the 11:05 attempt it feels like I did absolutely perfect, I need to rethink how I drive or something.

 

[Meythia]

I still dont get this physics, if u can take a look a this video:
The first attempt is 2 tenths over the world record (for some reason bc I thought it was a bad one) and on the 11:05 attempt it feels like I did absolutely perfect, I need to rethink how I drive or something.

Im simply having a different line there


2nd attempt is almost the same time as your best, just my is +0.001 slower
For the race: smoother lines means less tyrewear, and wider swings through a corner (by smoother driving) gives you a higher exit speed.

 

[jlguay]

Im simply having a different line there


2nd attempt is almost the same time as your best, just my is +0.001 slower
For the race: smoother lines means less tyrewear, and wider swings through a corner (by smoother driving) gives you a higher exit speed.

u got it on just 2 attempts, you make it look easy!
Yeah, I was taking your approach on the 4 turn going slower through turn 3 to take a wider line but that was not working for me because could not put power without sliding so if I can't accelerate quicker what's the point of doing a wider line?
I'm pretty impressed u could put that time even with that massive snap on the exit, that was maybe a .2

But I'm taking notes on how u take the turn 3 and how u are using the brake to rotate the car on turn 2!
btw, are u using good pedals?

Thanks!

 

[Meythia]

btw, are u using good pedals?

Im playing with the DualSense controller.

The wide line should be on turn 4 because of the semi-long straight afterwards. For the test it is a bit screwed up with the positioning of the trial-finish, ideally this would be placed just before the braking zone for the next corner to give you the best opportunity to compare exit speeds.

For the race: the Mazda RX VGT (if you already own it or dont care about purchasing) still seems to be a strong choice, the Peugeot was slower though just a tiny bit easier to drive. Just used the Peugeot because I didnt before and wanted to give it a try.
Some have a very strong roling start (Corvette) and others comparatively weak. But after that lap times in the current version seem to be much closer than before, same goes for fuel consumption.

 

[jlguay]

Im playing with the DualSense controller.

The wide line should be on turn 4 because of the semi-long straight afterwards. For the test it is a bit screwed up with the positioning of the trial-finish, ideally this would be placed just before the braking zone for the next corner to give you the best opportunity to compare exit speeds.

For the race: the Mazda RX VGT (if you already own it or dont care about purchasing) still seems to be a strong choice, the Peugeot was slower though just a tiny bit easier to drive. Just used the Peugeot because I didnt before and wanted to give it a try.
Some have a very strong roling start (Corvette) and others comparatively weak. But after that lap times in the current version seem to be much closer than before, same goes for fuel consumption.

Props to you by doing such amazing times on controller to be honest, I'm on a G29 and making slower times.
My first attemp was with the Mazda RX and it seems quicker but its harder to drive and its terrible to me on slow turn, the Peugeot seems to me a better choice to have stable times and less scary moments but its fuel consumption... well the pit stops are gonna be long.

 

[Meythia]

Props to you by doing such amazing times on controller to be honest, I'm on a G29 and making slower times.
My first attemp was with the Mazda RX and it seems quicker but its harder to drive and its terrible to me on slow turn, the Peugeot seems to me a better choice to have stable times and less scary moments but its fuel consumption... well the pit stops are gonna be long.

Same car (Jaguar), it is basically the same line and almost the same cornering speed, the main difference is coming down to different top speeds before the braking zones.
One of my fast laps before the update:


Fast lap of today:

 

[jlguay]

Same car (Jaguar), it is basically the same line and almost the same cornering speed, the main difference is coming down to different top speeds before the braking zones.
One of my fast laps before the update:


Fast lap of today:

That's 2 seconds off your pace on the other update, the car now looks like really struggle to rotate faster and it looks like it has way less aero (still impressed with these clean race lines).

I really think this update makes the race harder but doable with a really good pace but maybe its just the Jaguar, when I have time I'm going to give a try the Supra Gr.3 because it seems like is OP now by the comments on the forum.

 

[Meythia]

I really think this update makes the race harder but doable with a really good pace

That seems to be the case.

Im going to spin every Gr.3 (I dont have the Mazda Stealth, nor the legendary dealer McLaren) there and this is my (current) results - with a grain of salt as the total times can either be because
1. the car is simply fast or slow
2. the car is unstable and gives me troubles
3. different AI lapped cars blocking the way (not really a problem, there is not much lapping happening)
Also I am not Sophy obviousy, so times may vary between drivers (and me and myself )
Always using Racing Mediums and 2 pits after 10 laps (Yamanaka shows that 3 pits doesnt work), maybe a few cars would be faster on Racing Hards or a switch in between, maybe some cars should have a different point of short shifting than I was using.
But at least comparing on my own end is what I wanted to do.


Current standout car to me is the M6 Sprint, it should technically be identical to the M6 Endurance, but 20seconds of a difference isnt simply down to good luck race vs bad luck race - I would need to test both again and see if I can replicate the times to a degree, but first I want to finish all the other cars.
Also worth mentioning: the fastest AI time I have yet seen would have beaten me in all but once of the races, but the average time of the AI is at least slower than most currently driven cars.
The AI won in 1 race (and 2 I didnt finish).

And as a bit of a helper in case of AI threatening to divebomb
1st turn:


banked hairpin: