Lambos under braking, WTF?

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i have this problem with a lot of cars, especially the Lamborghinis, wher eas soon as you touch the brakes the back end looses traction and you slide.

the car i most recently got this with is an F40.
it seems like too much weight is being transferred, but i've tried stiffening the front, raising the front, less extension on the rear dampers and more on the front under compression, and playing with the brake balance, and nothing seems to help.

any tips?
 
I have this problem too but I didn't even worry about it and haven't driven them until recently. I'm open to hearing thoughts about this as well.

I would think that add brake bias to rear would help initially. Thoughts?
 
I have this problem too but I didn't even worry about it and haven't driven them until recently. I'm open to hearing thoughts about this as well.

I would think that add brake bias to rear would help initially. Thoughts?

No. The opposite. Take brakes away from the rear.

This happens with MR cars - it's just how they behave. For the most part, you need to brake these cars in a straight line. They have to be driven a little different than most cars.
 
Yes, just shift braking balance towards the front, like 8 in the front and 3 in the rear. Or you could increase the braking sensitivity on the limited slip.
 
From Adrenaline's tuning garage thread.

3: Brake Balance
I prefer a rear bias, for a few reasons, but mostly to avoid overheating the front tires before a turn.
It also helps to allow the front to rotate into the turn easier.
This setting can easily be adjusted to your preference without conflicting to the tune.

4: LSD
There are many different theories on the LSD and I'm not going to go into a single one.
I'm only going to explain cause and effect, because that's all that matters to me.
Initial: Higher = More Lock, Lower = Less Lock.
More lock usually means better acceleration, but less turning abilities.
You want to set this as high as you can, without it having any negative effect on your handling characteristics.

Acceleration: Low Number = Inside tire wheel spin, Higher Number = Outside tire wheel spin.
You want to set this as high as you can, without breaking traction on the outside tire.
Lower numbers are more conservative, easier to drive, but sacrifice forward bite.
In a long race with tire wear, you might want to lower this setting by 2, to ensure a safer car, for a longer time period.

DeAcceleration: Lower Number = More rotation, Higher Number = Less rotation.
This setting only effects corner entry, when coasting or braking. If the car is unstable, raise the number.
If the car feels too tight on entry, lower the number. I use 5 as often as I can, but that is personal preference.

Final thoughts: Increasing or Lowering the Initial has a partial connection with Accel & DeAccel settings.
Since raising the Initial creates more 'lock' it will effect the balance of the Accel & DeAccel that you may have already tuned.
Another noteworthy aspect, is that many, many, different variables will effect your LSD balance. Including but not limited to:
Transmission Gearing, Downforce, Ride Height, Spring Rates, Brake Balance and so on.
So keep that in mind, when making other adjustments, that LSD balance might have been compromised.


This tuners set ups have really helped and the LSD function explanation has helped even more.
Hope it helps you.

All the best

Andy
 

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