Lending GT6

[Conza]

I've pre-ordered GT6: AE, ages ago, I pre-ordered it before it existed at the stores, then went into the stores to comfirm it was the AE edition once I knew it existed.

I just went in, today, 17 days before the game is due out here and pre-ordered another one(? A question in itself imo), basically because once I use my version on my PS3, I'm unsure how the game would play on other PS3s.

There are other reasons, security, as in if one store doesn't have enough to match its pre-orders (and I've heard of this happening at one of the stores I've ordered at), the other store will likely have it. Also if a friend wants the special edition version later he came buy it from me, or maybe I could sell it online later and make a small profit, who knows.

It might be overkill, but the pre-orders are quite unbinding, I could cancel them on the day, and also if I don't pick up the games within a certain amount of time they can sell them on to other people, an obviously my deposit could be refunded or credited to another.

Is anyone else this paranoid/crazy? Or thinks I might not be either one of those?

 

[Bluntified]

Your friend can use/buy it from you. If you use special edition codes though, they won't be able to use it, its one time use.

Also, as far as I know, deposits are non refundable, if you don't pick it up within a specified time frame, usually 48 hours, its gone.

My buddy lost a $100 deposit from his PS4! He went a day too late.

 

[Conza]

Glad to know that the game will be a vanilla share around, which is what I expected, but these days who knows, guess that's another + point for it being on PS3.

Not in Australia, thankfully, that'd be called theft here. I put down cash, I can get it back, its Australian consumer law, and I've done it once or twice - the game is totally different story, they can sell that on after 48 hours, but my money they can't do anything with until I say 'yes, I'll use the deposit and pay the difference for the game' or 'no, I'll take it back please, I've changed my mind'.

 

[Bluntified]

Over here a deposit is just that, a deposit. If you don't fulfil your obligation, its your loss. I've never heard of a refundable deposit. I guess the work is a different place.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Over here a deposit is just that, a deposit. If you don't fulfil your obligation, its your loss. I've never heard of a refundable deposit. I guess the work is a different place.

I've never heard of a deposit that wasn't refundable. But then again, you live in Mississauga correct?

 

[Conza]

Wow two different Ontarian's with different rules? Anyway, obvious Australia's policy is fairer, I'm sure if you kicked up enough fuss you could get your deposit back, I don't see why they'd get to keep it, risk of buying a video game they're going to sell anyway? If you went to the Police and said 'that store is refusing to refund my deposit' I'm sure they'd surrender. You're 100% sure this is law you're basing this on, not just some doddle at the counter saying 'waa, no deposit back, waa'?

Another example here, is they'll often say PC games are non-refundable, but unfortunately for them, and the people they con, thats a lie, because Australia consumer law entitles people to a refund, they just don't like people doing that because the product is consumed with the first person who uses it.

 

[Bluntified]

I've never heard of a deposit that wasn't refundable. But then again, you live in Mississauga correct?

You're talking about before the game comes out right? While pre-ordered? If it comes out and you don't pick it up in 48 hours you don't get it back. It's happened to me once and my buddy.

Edit:
Here's an example of non-refundable deposit. Say you were going to rent an apartment, you put down first and last months rent, last being the deposit. If you damage or "don't fulfill" your obligation (keep the place as you found it, pay rent on time etc.), you don't get your deposit back. Buying a car is the same thing, you don't come back for it/fulfill your obligation of picking it up, you lose it.

@Johnnypenso, ask your ebgames about it.

 

[Conza]

But apartments are much more serious sales agreements than video games, and if you were using your video game with your deposit, it'd make sense, but you aren't.

Look, I just think, like I said above, unless you're 100% sure that it's the law, and can find citations that would mean you're correct (as I can for my country), I wouldn't call doomsday for this. Maybe you've lost your deposit for the past incident, being that it'd be so long ago now, but make sure you don't have to lose your deposit in the future, it's $10, $20 or $30 dollars you might be able to save, and so far we don't know for sure it isn't just some annoying shop keeper not wanting to give it back.

 

[xXHannibaalXx]

I once got a 10$ deposit back from ebgames about a month after the game came out (ended up buying it elsewhere since they didn't have it on day one), I don't know if Quebec laws are that different from Ontario but I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to not give you your deposit back.
I'm also fairly certain asking for a deposit on an appartment is illegal here though so the laws might be quite different.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Edit:
Here's an example of non-refundable deposit. Say you were going to rent an apartment, you put down first and last months rent, last being the deposit. If you damage or "don't fulfill" your obligation (keep the place as you found it, pay rent on time etc.), you don't get your deposit back. Buying a car is the same thing, you don't come back for it/fulfill your obligation of picking it up, you lose it.

@Johnnypenso, ask your ebgames about it.

I think I put down $5 on the game. It would cost me more in gas to drive to EB Games than I would lose by not showing up to claim the game

And you're a little off on the Landlord/Tenant act. A Landlord cannot keep a rent deposit in lieu of damage, he can only keep a damage deposit to pay for damage. Last month's rent is just that, when you give your notice, you don't pay the last month. If you leave without proper notice however, you may lose your deposit in lieu of notice. A car is the same. You cannot keep a deposit on a contract not fulfilled. You also have a "buyers remorse" clause that goes with any purchase. Can't remember the exact timeframe but it's at least 48-72 hours on just about anything you buy, during which you can return it for a full refund.

http://www.ontariotenants.ca/law/lastmonthsrent.phtml
http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/en/pages/what_are_my_rights.aspx

 

[Bluntified]

But apartments are much more serious sales agreements than video games, and if you were using your video game with your deposit, it'd make sense, but you aren't.

Look, I just think, like I said above, unless you're 100% sure that it's the law, and can find citations that would mean you're correct (as I can for my country), I wouldn't call doomsday for this. Maybe you've lost your deposit for the past incident, being that it'd be so long ago now, but make sure you don't have to lose your deposit in the future, it's $10, $20 or $30 dollars you might be able to save, and so far we don't know for sure it isn't just some annoying shop keeper not wanting to give it back.

It's not the law but a practice. Nothing is concrete but solely on the discretion of the seller. I've learned my lesson though, follow through with my intentions, don't back out last minute......life lesson folks, applies to everyday life .

I once got a 10$ deposit back from ebgames about a month after the game came out (ended up buying it elsewhere since they didn't have it on day one), I don't know if Quebec laws are that different from Ontario but I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to not give you your deposit back.
I'm also fairly certain asking for a deposit on an appartment is illegal here though so the laws might be quite different.

All rentals here require one months (last months) rent to be held as a security deposit. It's in case you destroy your apartment or don't pay your rent, they're covered. While it's not a Law, It's part of our Landlord Tennant Act for the Landlords protection.

Some of my friends rent and they tell me about all of their woes.

@Johnnypenso

The damages are subjective, it's all about how much is done and where they accumulate their estimates. In most cases they receive half the deposit - that's a good case scenario.

 

[Johnnypenso]

All rentals here require one months (last months) rent to be held as a security deposit. It's in case you destroy your apartment or don't pay your rent, they're covered. While it's not a Law, It's part of our Landlord Tennant Act for the Landlords protection.

@Johnnypenso

The damages are subjective, it's all about how much is done and where they accumulate their estimates. In most cases they receive half the deposit - that's a good case scenario.

Your friends are getting ripped off then because they are young and inexperienced and not familiar with the law.

The rent deposit must be used for the rent for the last month before the tenancy ends. It is a violation of the law to use it for anything else, such as to pay for damages.

 

[Bluntified]

Your friends are getting ripped off then because they are young and inexperienced and not familiar with the law.

I didn't say it's happened to them, they're just cautious about those things. They're, like myself, in our 30s. I just recently turned 32 .

Edit, your quote is ddependant on the board, a Landlord can make a claim to withhold security deposits.

I think were side tracking here too much , let's get back to our regularly scheduled program .

 

[jsjakesaid]

If you, as a consumer have a right to return a product that is bought in 15 days, i guess it would be an obvious thing that the deposit would be refundable then, it depends on the store i guess, but legally you have the right... the question is is it worth the fight legally to get back 10$?

 

[Conza]

I don't think a court battle would be required for a black and white law, I believe police men would be called to the scene and force the shop to give back the money. It's a crime in progress.

 

[jimipitbull]

I've pre-ordered GT6: AE, ages ago, I pre-ordered it before it existed at the stores, then went into the stores to comfirm it was the AE edition once I knew it existed.

I just went in, today, 17 days before the game is due out here and pre-ordered another one(? A question in itself imo), basically because once I use my version on my PS3, I'm unsure how the game would play on other PS3s.

There are other reasons, security, as in if one store doesn't have enough to match its pre-orders (and I've heard of this happening at one of the stores I've ordered at), the other store will likely have it. Also if a friend wants the special edition version later he came buy it from me, or maybe I could sell it online later and make a small profit, who knows.

It might be overkill, but the pre-orders are quite unbinding, I could cancel them on the day, and also if I don't pick up the games within a certain amount of time they can sell them on to other people, an obviously my deposit could be refunded or credited to another.

Is anyone else this paranoid/crazy? Or thinks I might not be either one of those?

Security? Sell online for profit?

GT6 will be available as a digital download. I doubt the physical disc and case will ever be worth anything beyond sentimental value.

And in regards to consumer law......
"As a gesture of goodwill, many traders will return your deposit"
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Buying_goods/Consumer_rights_myths_and_facts.page

 

[Conza]

that's a local state law for NSW (.nsw.gov.au)

I'll cite my reference, and we really need to look at this for a foriegn company acting on a national level, it's called the "Competition and Consumer Act 2010" and you can read at the top, but in plain english, the council of (state) governments came together and agreed on what protections consumers were entitled to, and proposed it as a federal law to speed up amendments in the future.

The title of the protection that allows consumers, across the nation, their right to a refund can be seen under

Volume 3, Schedule 2-The Australian Consumer Law, Chapter 3-Specific protections, Part 3-1 Unfair practices Division 1-False or misleading representations ect 33 Misleading conduct as to the nature ect. of goods.

Which states

"A person must not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is liable to mislead the public as to the nature, the manufacturing process, the characteristics, the suitability for their purpose or the quantity of any goods."

Shortening to our relevant pieces

"A person must not, in [...] commerce, engage in conduct that is liable to mislead the public as to the nature [...] or quantities of any goods"

So, I'll give EB Games $30 today, and be entitled to buy the game for an additional $85 at the date of release. I'm also entitled to my $30 back, as I have not completed my purchase, I've effectively put my name on a list of interest in the product, the product has not been sold.

It covers the other scenario, if they sell out of the product after 48 hours, I'm entitled to my $30 back since the product is no longer available.

If you read just a little further down, you find that the retailer is protecting from 'guarantee' of the product at any time, since they apply the 48 hour time limit for the product to be collected

 

[jimipitbull]

Ok then, Victoria.

"Traders do not have to give a refund if you simply change your mind about a product."

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/shopping/refunds-and-returns/change-of-mind

 

[Conza]

Hi, refer to my above post for required rebuttable to your last statement.

It's federal now... Please read my posts of you're going to reply, I spent a good 15-20 minutes putting it together, it deserves to be read and interpreted, your latest comments do not reflect that at all.

 

[jimipitbull]

Hi, refer to my above post for required rebuttable to your last statement.

It's federal now... Please read my posts of you're going to reply, I spent a good 15-20 minutes putting it together, it deserves to be read and interpreted, your latest comments do not reflect that at all.

Ok then. EB games Australia is not a foreign entity. There is no evidence to suggest they are misleading you.

In fact, if you pre order two, but only intend to purchase one, you are misleading them.

 

[Conza]

EB Games is a foreign company, GameStop, operating as EB Games Australia so they may comply with our laws, this is one of them.

I don't plan on pre-ordering two and buying one, I plan on pre-ordering two and finishing the sale of... you know what this is pointless, my case is flawless, its the end of the discussion as far as I'm concerned, if you don't want to believe it, that's your choice.