List of Sins Updated

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superberkut

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The New York Times
To its ancient list of sins like lust, gluttony and greed, the Roman Catholic Church has added pollution, mind-altering drugs and genetic experiments. In the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, Msgr. Gianfranco Girotti cited “violations of the basic rights of human nature” through genetic manipulation, drugs that “weaken the mind and cloud intelligence,” and the imbalance between rich and poor. It was not the first time the Vatican sought to modernize its list. Last year, it issued a kind of Ten Commandments for drivers against the offenses of road rage, alcohol abuse and rudeness.
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Apparently, this is not new, but is it really warranting an indefinite stay in hell if these new sins are committed? Shouldn't the original list have been a set of offenses that covered all areas in generality?

Apparently, the person dictating these 'consulted' God...
 
"...and the imbalance between rich and poor" - says Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti from his gold plated throne. :rolleyes:
 
Polution? Anyone who has ever cut the cheese is going to hell.

Not to mention cows...

Mmmm. Flame broiled burgers. :drool:
 
As a 1/4 Catholic American attending a private "Catholic" college, you have to take their word at face value: They're encouraging us to be a bit better with the way we live our lives, and thats all.

No big deal...

...Interesting that they felt the need to update though.
 
superberkut
Apparently, this is not new, but is it really warranting an indefinite stay in hell if these new sins are committed? Shouldn't the original list have been a set of offenses that covered all areas in generality?
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The church isn't immediately condemning anybody to hell so far as I know, I'm thinking that's why they have those semi-creepy confession booths...

I'm not a huge fan of church organizations in general, but I do have to hand it to the Catholic church on one point - they're trying to address modern issues that actually affect their 'flock', rather than reiterate outdated and tired dogma.

TheCracker
"...and the imbalance between rich and poor" - says Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti from his gold plated throne. :rolleyes:
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Glad someone pointed that out... 👍

YSSMAN
As a 1/4 Catholic American attending a private "Catholic" college, you have to take their word at face value: They're encouraging us to be a bit better with the way we live our lives, and thats all.

No big deal...

...Interesting that they felt the need to update though.
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Again, yeah, it's hard to fault them for trying to address actual modern topical issues - that's not something the Catholic Church has historically been very good at.
 
YSSMAN
As a 1/4 Catholic American attending a private "Catholic" college, you have to take their word at face value: They're encouraging us to be a bit better with the way we live our lives, and thats all.

No big deal...

...Interesting that they felt the need to update though.
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It's the update that is at issue. I think a lot of people are mistaking this as mortal sins. Either way I feel the church should not be calling things like littering a sin. Saying the church disagrees with a certain issue is one thing, but labeling things as sins is attempting to force your followers to follow a certain politically/socially motivated agenda.


Although, I am thinking that there is more media hype behind this as I can't even find stories with an agreement on what the seven new sins are. And it also seems that the "New Seven Deadly Sins" title was given by the media, not the church.
 
On the issues of mind-altering drugs and genetic experimentation, the "biblical position" would be pretty clear to begin with I'd think - the idea of the body as the temple of God should pretty much cover it.

The rest though - road rage, pollution, socio-economical imbalance, etc. - would be pretty easily derived from Jesus' teachings I suppose - kindness towards your neighbor, practicing wise and moderate stewardship of your resources (in this case the planet), and the idea that the meek shall inherit the earth speak directly to those issues.

I feel weird defending the Catholic church since I disagree with most of their positions on important issues... :confused: but these latter examples honestly seem like harmless attempts to have a positive impact on social behavior and conditions - though I may not share the particular stances.
 
I know the list also contains things like abortion and pedophilia and so on ... but my question is this: what would the church say if you were using your obscene riches to fund genetic engineering into finding a way to cure durg abuse? Or pedophilia?

I'm sure Dante is turning in his grave right now because there's seven whole new levels of Hell that have to be built.
 
They'd likely return the debate to a biblical context, and claim that there are already God-given "cures" for drug abuse and pedophilia, among many other things (prayer and repentant confession is the 'cure', I guess). While this is absurd on its face, it tends to be the church's position on quite a few things - their idea of birth control is biblically based as well - abstinence until marriage and then, erm, I guess after you've had as many kids as you can support you're supposed to be celibate? Either way... ouch!
 
YSSMAN
As a 1/4 Catholic American attending a private "Catholic" college, you have to take their word at face value: They're encouraging us to be a bit better with the way we live our lives, and thats all.

No big deal...

...Interesting that they felt the need to update though.
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How are you 1/4 Catholic? I wasn't aware that being catholic was an ethnicity.
 
If they're deriving these things from teachings in the Bible then I don't see much problem. Making up new sins is a problem though, humans can't do that.

PS- Road rage is so hard to resist if you were in the right :sly:
 
ShobThaBob
How are you 1/4 Catholic? I wasn't aware that being catholic was an ethnicity.
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Guess it depends on how you look at it?

Mom was Catholic, Grandma got pissed-off at the church, they left and never went back. Dad's a baptist, Mom switched teams officially a few years ago... But you can't just stop being Catholic...

Its a badge of honor I guess? I dunno. I just say it to say it I guess. Especially when I go to a "Catholic" private college and list my religion as "Jedi" on FaceSpace.
 
Never thought of Jedis for Jesus... That could be very interesting!

(We all know Jesus would have had a purple lightsaber too...)
 
No wonder people are turning over to other religions. Catholics are seeing escape routes to evade sins?
 
nk4e
No wonder people are turning over to other religions. Catholics are seeing escape routes to evade sins?
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Well, when you have families with like five or six kids and you tell them that can't use any contraceptives, so it is either more kids or no lovin' for the next 10-20 years.....

And if anyone brings up the church's suggested timing method I will happily point you to a few families I know that have at least one unexpected child.
 

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