Locked Tunes? - Is it true? - They can't be serious!

[ItsHim]

Was just chatting to a mate of mine and he claimed he heard - you know the drill - that bought Forza 3 tuned cars (I think via the storefront) can't be tweaked anymore.

Aka, the tune is locked and can't even be looked at nor minor changes applied.

This can't be true, can it?

 

[Kryz11]

Maybe because they are SPACIAL tuned cars? Thats the point of being special.

 

[ItsHim]

What's so "special" about a tuned car? 80% of the stuff floating round FM2 were just crap, and I used to tweak the better part of the remaining 20% to my tastes or the track.

Now if that can't be done, well, I'm speechless if it were true.

 

[Kryz11]

I guess you have to be careful what you buy now..

BY the way the Forza 3 tuned cars, do you mean the tuned cars that are modded by the TEEAM or some random player that have lock the TUNE feature?

If by random player, then you really have to be careful who you buy from, and the great tuners in few months will have their names spread out on forums so buy from them.

 

[ItsHim]

Just to make absolutely sure we are talking about the same thing:

FM2: i bought a car off the AH - paint was locked and could not be transferred to another car. All the upgrades and all tuning parameters were there for me to gaze at and modify.

FM3: car bought off the storefront from anybody NOT T10 - paint like above PLUS all tuning is locked and can't even be looked into?

Is this statement 100% correct?

 

[Tenacious D]

If this is true, it has to be THE DUMBEST IDEA EVAR! I hate to say it, but it sounds very Microsoft...

 

[Eric.]

You can sell tuning setups now...Why would you want everyone being able to see that setup? You should be able to clear off of that tuning and start at default values. Its the same for liveries. You don't sell someone an unlocked livery. If you do, and you have some sort of your own branding on it to show you did it, they can get rid of that and claim it as their own.

This was a known feature, by the way.

 

[ItsHim]

Because I'm no greedy son of a bachelor and gave away most of my tunes and/or sold them for a measly 50k?

Because I had no interest in becoming a billionaire in Forza too?

Because most of the tunes sold on the AH were "quite ok" but not really perfect to my style?

Because I used to drive without ABS and thus most setups ran too much breaking pressure?

Because learning from the other tuners pushed ALL of them further and everybody gained?

Because all that "profiteering" talk was always a bit rich considering from whom it came from.

Because after all it's the RACE that matters, not how much freaking CRs you had in your bank account?

Because I don't have the time to put a solid tune on 200+ cars?

Because I often took a lower class tune as a basis for my tunes.

Because that's how society works - learning from your peers and predecessors?

Because I never could stand winning only because I drove a frickin' LB tune?

Because, ah, never mind.

 

[Eric.]

Because I'm no greedy son of a bachelor and gave away most of my tunes and/or sold them for a measly 50k?

Because I had no interest in becoming a billionaire in Forza too?

Because most of the tunes sold on the AH were "quite ok" but not really perfect to my style?

Because I used to drive without ABS and thus most setups ran too much breaking pressure?

Because learning from the other tuners pushed ALL of them further and everybody gained?

Because all that "profiteering" talk was always a bit rich considering from whom it came from.

Because after all it's the RACE that matters, not how much freaking CRs you had in your bank account?

Because I don't have the time to put a solid tune on 200+ cars?

Because I often took a lower class tune as a basis for my tunes.

Because that's how society works - learning from your peers and predecessors?

Because I never could stand winning only because I drove a frickin' LB tune?

Because, ah, never mind.

In which case, sounds like all liveries and everything else should be free too? After all, what better way to learn how to that photorealistic image than to see each individual layer?

 

[Northstar]

I am glad they added this feature. In FM2 I as well as other people had tuning "companies" and it kind of sucked knowing that someone could just take your tune and sell it as your own.

 

[ItsHim]

I really couldn't care less because no paintjob ever made me faster.

Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the pros and cons any further and thus it's EOT for me.

Nevertheless, thanks for taking the time to confirm the locked tunes issue.

 

[Moglet]

I believe you can choose whether you want it locked or not. I always leave my vinyl designs unlocked.

 

[Dave A]

I believe this is the case, when you sell a paint job you can choose to clock it or not so that the buyer can modify it or not. This freedom from the seller makes sense, because some people might not care if someone else modifies thier designs, yet others might prefer to stop people form editing them slightly and then being able to re-sell them as thier own. I think this extends to the setups that people sell as well, you choose to lock it or not.

 

[KSaiyu]

I think everything on the storefront is locked and you can choose whether or not an Auction House item is locked or not. Could be wrong though. Oh and boo at not being able to look at tuning from leaderboards anymore

 

[Christian_C]

This doesn't really affect me, Most of the tunes on FM2 were just rubbish anyway and I only bought the car for the paint and then retuned it totally for my own driving style. I don't like the idea especially when it is now allowing the already lazy "Top Garages" to sell even more half baked tunes that now people can't even look at. I mean really how long is it until someone just plain out sells a default tune claiming its awesome and no one would be able to tell the difference.

 

[Hereward]

bought a car of the marketplace, said the tuning was locked, but I could reset it and tune it myself. Same as the artwork system om F2 and F3 you can lock a desighn but the person buying it can delete it and do there own. Y have actualy bought 3 cars and only 1 had the tune locked.

 

[Mr Fox]

Theres a perfectly good reason for locked tunes, in the past people would purchase cars from tuning garages, take the tune copy it onto their own cars then sell it back on the auction house.

The guys who put in countless hours tuning the cars effectively had people copy/paste'ing their tunes and makeing alot of credits.

If the tune then ended up unlocked and download'able on the scoreboard it became effectively worthless.

think of it like copyright enforcement, someone cant take your stuff and make credits out of it whilst cutting you out of the profits, or worse giveing away the product for free (piracy).

 

[Tenacious D]

This doesn't really affect me, Most of the tunes on FM2 were just rubbish anyway and I only bought the car for the paint and then retuned it totally for my own driving style. I don't like the idea especially when it is now allowing the already lazy "Top Garages" to sell even more half baked tunes that now people can't even look at. I mean really how long is it until someone just plain out sells a default tune claiming its awesome and no one would be able to tell the difference.

Very true. I think most of these tunes are for controller users anyhow, as I tried a couple on Forza 1, where you had to copy from the board by hand, and both were horrible with the wheel. Thank heaven you can delete them if they're locked.

 

[barryl85]

I wasnt aware of this and...........

Well yesterday i purchased a Buick Regal and its PI was R3 so it looked to be fully upgraded, i wouldnt care how it was tuned cos i'd do it myself. Now the car itself is 63k brand new - i paid 110k for this one which i thought was fair.

When i went to view the upgrade shop to see if it was fully tuned it told me the tune was locked do i want to delete it. So i thought what the heck i'll delete it and do my own tune.

Big Mistake....

Once deleted it put the car back to a D class and there was no upgrades already paid for. So effectively i paid 110k for a stock Buick Regal



Anyone know if theres anything i can do? or is it a lost cause?

 

[extreme car]

I wasnt aware of this and...........

Well yesterday i purchased a Buick Regal and its PI was R3 so it looked to be fully upgraded, i wouldnt care how it was tuned cos i'd do it myself. Now the car itself is 63k brand new - i paid 110k for this one which i thought was fair.

When i went to view the upgrade shop to see if it was fully tuned it told me the tune was locked do i want to delete it. So i thought what the heck i'll delete it and do my own tune.

Big Mistake....

Once deleted it put the car back to a D class and there was no upgrades already paid for. So effectively i paid 110k for a stock Buick Regal



Anyone know if theres anything i can do? or is it a lost cause?

easy just put the upgrades back. go to the tuning shop and put them on. they're not gone, you've just uninstalled them.

 

[Loon]

easy just put the upgrades back. go to the tuning shop and put them on. they're not gone, you've just uninstalled them.

Re-read what he said. He said there were no upgrades already paid for when he went to the upgrade shop.