Looking for interested entries for B-spec Endurance Championship

[braunracing88]

Before becoming a member, I had an idea for an online B-spec Dream Car Endurance Championship. Since there's a lot of talk about online championships on here, I thought this would be a great place to pitch the idea. Here's some details about what I had in mind.

Course, distance and date:

Daytona Road Course - 141 laps - 500 miles - mid-February, during Speedweeks

Suzuka Road Course - 173 laps - 1000km - March

Autodromo Nazionale Monza - 173 laps - 1000km - April

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - 143 laps - 1000km - May

Circuit de la Sarthe (weather and time change) - 119 laps - 1000 miles - mid-June, around the time of the real 24 Hours of Le Mans

Nürburgring GP/F - 195 laps - 1000km - early July

Cape Ring - 137 laps - 600 miles - late July

Grand Valley Speedway - 163 laps - 500 miles - mid-August

Tokyo R246 - 196 laps - 1000km - early September

Nürburgring 24h (weather and time change) - 79 laps - 2000km - late September or early October

Vehicle class structure
Dream Car GT1 (up to 650 HP)
Dream Car GT2 (up to 550 HP)
Super Touring Car (FTO Super Touring Car, Impreza Touring Car, Lancer TC, Impreza TC) (up to 450 HP)
Touring Car (Prius TC, CR-Z TC) (up to 350 HP)
Minimum Weight for all classes = 1000kg
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

Points structure:
1st = 100
2nd = 75
3rd = 60
4th = 50
5th = 40
6th = 30
7th = 20
8th = 15
9th = 10
10th = 5

Other notes:
Race-modified cars are allowed in any of the four classes.
Up to 4 drivers are allowed and there is no recommended minimum level.
With the wide-variety of cars available, unless a car can have its number or color changed or is already available with different colors and/or numbers, only one example of a particular car can be entered.
Points structure applies to all four classes, so there will be season champions for each class.
Early 2000s Le Mans GTS cars like the ORECA #91 Dodge/#51 Chrysler Viper GTS-R and #64 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R are eligible in Dream Car GT1.
More details to come.

 

[james6653]

I'm very interested but how would it work?

 

[rallymorten]

Same as above. I don't have an idea about how this would work. Can someone explain?

 

[braunracing88]

I admit there are still some kinks to work out, but I really believe this could work. I remember seeing online events on the Nürburgring 24h layout set at 200 laps, so it's not like these would be the longest online races in Gran Turismo history. Unlike the GTP Endurance thread I've seen on here, these races would place more emphasis on the endurance aspect, especially in terms of distance.
I'll also admit that I'm very much new to this whole online racing thing since I haven't done very much of it, so I have very little experience in setting one up. If there's anyone reading this who knows the ins-and-outs of setting up an online race, feel free to sound-off here and offer some help. It would be greatly appreciated. I've heard of some championships having qualifying (something the game should've included it), so I think that should be included. I think 20 minutes for the majority of the tracks should work, 30 minutes for Le Mans and Nürburgring 24h.
Also, does anyone think prototypes should be included? I'm starting to have second thoughts about the Touring Car classes, namely in regard to the lack of vehicles that would fit in those classes. And does anyone know the absolute maximum # of cars that can compete in an online event?

 

[rallymorten]

As far as I know, the limit is 16 no matter race type. The main thing I haven't found out (and thus is having problems understand) is how we want the B-Specs to race each other in our cars on tracks we choose (a function in Remote Race I haven't noticed yet?) and if we must be there to guide them. It may be something obvious but I haven't noticed it..

I think you could keep it to GT1 and GT2, with a 4 driver limit this means we can enter 2 drivers in each class.

If I find out how things like this series works out and I won't have to be present to guide, I'm thinking of reserving either the 2 Vipers or some RM 'Vettes for GT1, GT2 tba 👍

 

[braunracing88]

As far as I know, the limit is 16 no matter race type. The main thing I haven't found out (and thus is having problems understand) is how we want the B-Specs to race each other in our cars on tracks we choose (a function in Remote Race I haven't noticed yet?) and if we must be there to guide them. It may be something obvious but I haven't noticed it..

I think you could keep it to GT1 and GT2, with a 4 driver limit this means we can enter 2 drivers in each class.

If I find out how things like this series works out and I won't have to be present to guide, I'm thinking of reserving either the 2 Vipers or some RM 'Vettes for GT1, GT2 tba 👍

So I take it you've got some ideas as to what cars you have in mind. As for me, I'm thinking either my #91 ORECA Viper, a Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM, or a Lamborghini NOMAD Diablo GT-1. I think 8 cars per class should work.

By the way, how do you enter 2 cars in such a race?

Also, would promoting this championship idea in the GTPlanet Official Series thread help draw in interested entrants? I think that may be of help.

 

[gokartman78]

I would be interested, but how would you get all the drivers to race as one team? Also, how can you do this online?

 

[rallymorten]

The big problem is there's only 3 ways to do B-Spec:

Offline "career"

Online Seasonal Events

Remote Race

Career and Seasonal are against AI while Remote Race events are already set up and there's nothing to do about it 👎 though I really hope we'll have a system similar to that intended integrated soon and maybe replace the current Remote Race.

 

[braunracing88]

The big problem is there's only 3 ways to do B-Spec:

Offline "career"

Online Seasonal Events

Remote Race

Career and Seasonal are against AI while Remote Race events are already set up and there's nothing to do about it 👎 though I really hope we'll have a system similar to that intended integrated soon and maybe replace the current Remote Race.

What's the current Remote Race setup like? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with them and could use a little clarification.
Also, would 2 or 3 drivers per car be better? My original idea was 4, but for events like this, that might be overkill.

 

[rallymorten]

The current Remote Race has pre-setup events (those including NASCAR at Daytona, Ferrari and co. at Monza etc.) and doesn't have an option to make your own in that sence. Though I hope IF PD fixes it then this'll get going, could be quite an epic championship (this does give A. Senna a bit more time to practice )

 

[braunracing88]

The current Remote Race has pre-setup events (those including NASCAR at Daytona, Ferrari and co. at Monza etc.) and doesn't have an option to make your own in that sence. Though I hope IF PD fixes it then this'll get going, could be quite an epic championship (this does give A. Senna a bit more time to practice )

Yes, that would be nice. I just wish I knew how to reach them about the idea.

Also, you mentioned earlier something about entering two cars in a race. Is that really possible? I'll admit I've never done a remote race before and this has me quite intrigued.

 

[rallymorten]

Long story made short, YOU as in the host, not you personally, can only enter one driver in those events, however you can choose several drivers from your friends list. So it looks like there goes that brilliant idea

About reaching them, I'm far from sure but I think I remember hearing about Kaz/PD tweeting so that may be an option. I'm not sure also if they have a suggest-box on their website but it may be worth checking out 👍

Edit: bit off-topic compared to what you're trying to achieve but I'm currently having an unofficial championship with the B-Specs of some alternate accounts with the current RR events

 

[braunracing88]

Long story made short, YOU as in the host, not you personally, can only enter one driver in those events, however you can choose several drivers from your friends list. So it looks like there goes that brilliant idea

About reaching them, I'm far from sure but I think I remember hearing about Kaz/PD tweeting so that may be an option. I'm not sure also if they have a suggest-box on their website but it may be worth checking out 👍

Edit: bit off-topic compared to what you're trying to achieve but I'm currently having an unofficial championship with the B-Specs of some alternate accounts with the current RR events

You have my attention.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I doubt this series will work.

There, someone said it.


If you're interested in endurance racing, GT5's already got you covered for A-Spec. B-Spec just seems like such a waste in this game.


Or, if you really fancy getting fancy, PC gaming (rFactor, Race '07, etc.,) are all also good bets.

 

[braunracing88]

I doubt this series will work.

There, someone said it.


If you're interested in endurance racing, GT5's already got you covered for A-Spec. B-Spec just seems like such a waste in this game.


Or, if you really fancy getting fancy, PC gaming (rFactor, Race '07, etc.,) are all also good bets.

But what do you do if you've already conquered all endurance races, both A-spec and B-spec and you want a new challenge? In a way, that's what I had in mind when I came up with this championship idea. The only event in mine that's basically a carbon copy of one already available is the Suzuka 1000km. The others are either all-original events or based on other real-world endurance races that aren't currently featured in GT5. And I'm probably not the only one wanting some new such events to challenge.
Also, I have Macs and I don't know if they can handle gaming.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

But what do you do if you've already conquered all endurance races, both A-spec and B-spec and you want a new challenge? In a way, that's what I had in mind when I came up with this championship idea. The only event in mine that's basically a carbon copy of one already available is the Suzuka 1000km. The others are either all-original events or based on other real-world endurance races that aren't currently featured in GT5. And I'm probably not the only one wanting some new such events to challenge.
Also, I have Macs and I don't know if they can handle gaming.

You join ITCC Season II.


^ My obvious answer. Otherwise, you've come to the right site. Join a racing series for A-Spec (i.e., driving online with online drivers who are faster than you, like rallymorten, polarbear345, cnd01, or myself)

Fact is, there are always people who are faster than you, that you could learn from. And, learning a new racing line through Eau Rouge (like I did ) is much more rewarding than B-Spec.

 

[braunracing88]

You join ITCC Season II.


^ My obvious answer. Otherwise, you've come to the right site. Join a racing series for A-Spec (i.e., driving online with online drivers who are faster than you, like rallymorten, polarbear345, cnd01, or myself)

Fact is, there are always people who are faster than you, that you could learn from. And, learning a new racing line through Eau Rouge (like I did ) is much more rewarding than B-Spec.

I have a few other event ideas, all but one are A-spec as of now. Would you be interested in hearing about them?
Also, I'm looking at the ITCC thread right now.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Well, I'm not sure ITCC Season II is happening, so... You might want to try to make your own online series.

 

[james6653]

Since your new to GTP might I suggest the USCC for your first A-SPEC series. Practice today feel free to join.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Since your new to GTP might I suggest the USCC for your first A-SPEC series. Practice today feel free to join.

Don't worry James, he's with WMA. Thanks for trying, I guess.


The United Sports Car Championship you're running, I just want to say, is likely not the name Grand-Am will use.

 

[braunracing88]

Don't worry James, he's with WMA. Thanks for trying, I guess.


The United Sports Car Championship you're running, I just want to say, is likely not the name Grand-Am will use.

You mean when Grand-Am and the American Le Mans Series join forces for 2014? I really don't know what name they'll use.
Also, I would like to say that the championship in this thread originally started out as more of a sprint-format series for GT cars and touring cars. Both would have a sprint race and a feature race, the latter requiring drivers to make one pitstop.
Touring Car Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 50 miles
Touring Car Feature: min. # of laps beyond 100 miles, pitstop included
GT Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 60 miles
GT Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 120 miles, pitstop included
If the endurance layout idea doesn't work, I won't mind reverting back to the sprint format. What do you guys think?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You mean when Grand-Am and the American Le Mans Series join forces for 2014? I really don't know what name they'll use.
Also, I would like to say that the championship in this thread originally started out as more of a sprint-format series for GT cars and touring cars. Both would have a sprint race and a feature race, the latter requiring drivers to make one pitstop.
Touring Car Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 50 miles
Touring Car Feature: min. # of laps beyond 100 miles, pitstop included
GT Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 60 miles
GT Sprint: min. # of laps beyond 120 miles, pitstop included
If the endurance layout idea doesn't work, I won't mind reverting back to the sprint format. What do you guys think?

B-spec or A-Spec?

The Touring car idea sounds exactly like ITCC, but, ITCC might have a third race tossed in there (last season's "big pull" was the number of chances to win everyone had; everyone had like 50 chances to win, so almost everyone came close to winning/won/got good points in at least one race, and there were lots of close battles.)

The GT Feature idea sounds like polarbear345's Rolex series. I used to race with that group, but, I just couldn't practice enough, couldn't keep race-pace, and just couldn't enjoy myself as much in the long races. I'm not hyper-active, but, I do enjoy close-racing. Most longer races sorta turn into hot-lapping races. While that's fine and dandy, I'd prefer to go door-to-door.

 

[braunracing88]

B-spec or A-Spec?

The Touring car idea sounds exactly like ITCC, but, ITCC might have a third race tossed in there (last season's "big pull" was the number of chances to win everyone had; everyone had like 50 chances to win, so almost everyone came close to winning/won/got good points in at least one race, and there were lots of close battles.)

The GT Feature idea sounds like polarbear345's Rolex series. I used to race with that group, but, I just couldn't practice enough, couldn't keep race-pace, and just couldn't enjoy myself as much in the long races. I'm not hyper-active, but, I do enjoy close-racing. Most longer races sorta turn into hot-lapping races. While that's fine and dandy, I'd prefer to go door-to-door.

Actually, both sprint and endurance ideas I had for this were based on the Dream Car Championship, so it would be full-blown racing cars competing as opposed to the modified production cars found in the ITCC. Which, by the way, I look forward to competing in. Eligible rides for the championship idea would also include Race Car DLC pack cars and production cars that have been given the racing modification. So it's not quite the same as the two you mentioned.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Actually, both sprint and endurance ideas I had for this were based on the Dream Car Championship, so it would be full-blown racing cars competing as opposed to the modified production cars found in the ITCC. Which, by the way, I look forward to competing in. Eligible rides for the championship idea would also include Race Car DLC pack cars and production cars that have been given the racing modification. So it's not quite the same as the two you mentioned.

Ooooooohh, the DLC cars are quite nice, but they're a bit well-spread. The GTRs are noticeably faster than the Evo/Impreza, which are noticeably faster than the Prius!


But, yes, the ITCC-spec modified production cars are my babies! I love it. It's just like the Canadian Touring Car Championship, and the WTCC/BTCC/STCC... If it's a touring car series, it usually uses modified production cars.

Anyways, I'm going to sleep. One more day at work, then I'm free! Good night, braun! See you on the track soon!

 

[braunracing88]

Ooooooohh, the DLC cars are quite nice, but they're a bit well-spread. The GTRs are noticeably faster than the Evo/Impreza, which are noticeably faster than the Prius!


But, yes, the ITCC-spec modified production cars are my babies! I love it. It's just like the Canadian Touring Car Championship, and the WTCC/BTCC/STCC... If it's a touring car series, it usually uses modified production cars.

Anyways, I'm going to sleep. One more day at work, then I'm free! Good night, braun! See you on the track soon!

I am aware of the difference in performance among the DLC vehicles. That's why I had a class structure in mind to keep them on as level a playing field as possible. Example:
GT1: High-end Dream Car machines like Ford GT LM, Pagani Zonda LM, etc., up to 650 HP.
GT2: 550-600 HP Dream Car racers like Camaro LM, Z LM, NSX-R LM, etc.
TC1: Touring Cars up to 450 HP, like the DLC Evo and Impreza, as well as the FTO Super Touring Car and Impreza LM Race Car.
TC2: Touring cars up to 300-350 HP, like the Prius TC and CR-Z Touring Car.
Hope this makes sense.

 

[rallymorten]

I hope you don't mind I use your thread to advertise for my own B-Spec championship?

Here goes:

In order to participate, send a FR to WRCtrackshare05 (as this is the only left with 1 B-Spec) in which you nominate your 2 drivers

This uses the current remote races and we'll go through them all, most likely this saturday.

Points system:

1st 0 points
2nd (or 1 car ahead of you): 1 point
3rd (or 2 cars ahead of you): 2 points
etc.

Each driver level will also reward a point from the start of the championship.

As you have probably guessed this is all about scoring the LEAST points, so they might as well be called penalty points also don't take the 2 driver limit serious for now, it all depends on how many drivers have sent a FR as I WILL use those user's drivers if need be

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I am aware of the difference in performance among the DLC vehicles. That's why I had a class structure in mind to keep them on as level a playing field as possible. Example:
GT1: High-end Dream Car machines like Ford GT LM, Pagani Zonda LM, etc., up to 650 HP.
GT2: 550-600 HP Dream Car racers like Camaro LM, Z LM, NSX-R LM, etc.
TC1: Touring Cars up to 450 HP, like the DLC Evo and Impreza, as well as the FTO Super Touring Car and Impreza LM Race Car.
TC2: Touring cars up to 300-350 HP, like the Prius TC and CR-Z Touring Car.
Hope this makes sense.

Wow, I like it, but would that be in separate races, or together? Racing with four classes on track means that each class can have at most 4 players.

I hope you don't mind I use your thread to advertise for my own B-Spec championship?

Here goes:

In order to participate, send a FR to WRCtrackshare05 (as this is the only left with 1 B-Spec) in which you nominate your 2 drivers

This uses the current remote races and we'll go through them all, most likely this saturday.

Points system:

1st 0 points
2nd (or 1 car ahead of you): 1 point
3rd (or 2 cars ahead of you): 2 points
etc.

Each driver level will also influence the points in this way:

Max. possible driver level - nominated driver's level = start points

Example:

40 - 32 = 8

As you have probably guessed this is all about scoring the LEAST points also don't take the 2 driver limit serious for now, it all depends on how many drivers have sent a FR as I WILL use those user's drivers if need be

Intriguing, how you make this work. This might be a good way to get old Rostov Semyonov up to the "Air of Experience" trophy, while having a generally fun time.

 

[rallymorten]

Right you are Mel, though I noticed a minor screw-up in the points, will be corrected in the nearest future (aka 5 minutes)