LSD x AWD cars

[daltonlm]

Hey,
first of all sorry if any topic similar is there, i just visited the AWD drift discussion, and since is closed i felt freedom to open this thread.

Second, im completly against AWD powersliding around the track and bothering the genuine RWD (preferentialy FR) pratices. Im just here to get info with the most experienced drifters from GT5, since even still a newbie, i take the GT5 online drifting seriosly and its the most important feature that makes me play hours and hours.

So the main question is; What and how the LSD works on AWD cars?
- Does it have any possibility to turn a 50/50 traction in 10/90 traction or its just a falacy?
- If its true, what is the right setting to turn a 50/50 into 10/90?
- If it isnt, so its official that people should finaly forget about the AWD and drift properly using the complete set of disciplines on a genuine FR?

Please dont turn this topic into a flamewar. I believe that people that use AWD should know what they are doing and when and where his car will be better or worst than a normal FR prepared for drifting.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

I haven't tried it myself but IMO the more 'rwd' you can make an awd car the better. Some AWD cars are nice and I would love to be able to drift them like a RWD car, just never really considered playing with the LSD. I'll try later!

 

[ZSPaulus]

Before they close the topic because there are so many of them; i will point you to tha one i read;

General LSD stuff

 

[djinline]

Get the variable centre differential on your AWD drifter to achieve 10% front, 90% rear.

Then get the LSD and change initial to 5, acceleration to 5 and braking to 5 on the front differential. Change the rear differential values to your own preferences/depending on the car used. That's how I do it.

EDIT: And the reason why I do this is that I'm more into FR drifting than AWD drifting, of course I'm taking an AWD closer to FR characteristics if I want to drift it. Much less understeering and more fun.

 

[nk4e]

I believe that DR said it best but Drift it like a AWD not like a FR.

 

[saleenf5]

basically you can have 90 of the power to the back tires. To some this is acceptable but the difference is still monumental.

 

[Jesus]

Theres a reason the AWD thread is locked and stickied.

 

[wainwj]

I use a Skyline R32 GT-R, set the LSD to 5/60 on everything and that drifts like a RWD with room for error.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

I just tried this on my Evo RM. Feels just like a RWD car to me, and a good drifting one at that. all lsd set to 5 front and my settings rear. Torque distribution 10 front 90 Rear. It's easy to control and good fun

 

[Nismo34]

Thats what really annoys me. people drifting (or trying to) AWD cars like there RWD. Drift them like they are. It looks better seeing a AWD sideways round a corner with smoke pouring out of all four wheels. Just my opinion...

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

I like to feel like there is skill involved though. I find most awd cars to easy to drift/slide. If it feels like a rwd then it is more rewarding and fun IMO. I do think that the 'no awd' rule should be lifted from some tournaments. In RL people can make some incredible drifts with awd. Take ken block with his Gymkhana videos

 

[Powellx235]

I like to feel like there is skill involved though. I find most awd cars to easy to drift/slide. If it feels like a rwd then it is more rewarding and fun IMO. I do think that the 'no awd' rule should be lifted from some tournaments. In RL people can make some incredible drifts with awd. Take ken block with his Gymkhana videos

Thats the thing really. Theres less skill involved and if you have a 500 hp car, theres still 50 hp going to the front, so that results in an unfair advantage because the frknt wheels are pulling the car along and its faster. Personally i sometimes mess around with 4wd cars but i still agree on rwd restrictions in tournaments. If it was allowed people would just be going for evo's because they have alot of grip (IRL anyway)

 

[SKOT_FREE]

I'll tell you a quick story about my Drift development: I started out with a Levin but got frustrated not being able to Drift so I got a Impreza. So I start drifting that with a 20 front 80 rear LSD setup and I feel like a drift pro, but I notice that thanks to the AWD any mistake I make is correctible. So I go back and forth trying to transfer The skills learned in AWD Impreza to the Levin RWD. It didn't work! Know how I DID learn? During my switching back and Forth between cars I thought I had picked my Impreza when I had just Won a PT-86 and had it selected as my ride unknowingly and since I play with the bumper view I didn't notice. So I go out using my Impreza drift technique but I'm driving the PT-86 and I'm amazed because up to that point I wasn't all that great. Then I'm noticing the lack Of power I usually get, so I go to see what's up with my car and I was like I finally got it and from then I haven't touched my Impreza's to drift.

Its strange you cant disable the front LSD as D1 driver Kumakubo who drives a Impreza is one of my fave drivers but until they fix that feature AWD drifting belongs on the Dirt.

 

[daltonlm]

Thanks for all the constructive and non-hater contribuitions. Specialy the best explanation about what and how the LSD change the power transfer into an AWD.

So a 10/90 AWD is more forgiving and most of times will exit a corner faster... but still can do everything that a proper FR does?
I.E. angle correction during the tandem and the many techniques described in the Drift Bible...

Should i go to Cape Ring with an AWD and try my luck around the epic Ring? (joking, i wont touch any AWD for drifting)

 

[Loco4tokin]

^^^There is nothing wrong with playing around with awd drifting(I know I like to mix it up a bit from just an FR) just don't bring it into a lobby that is not awd friendly.

 

[alvin23a]

I drift a AWD and the no AWD rule for comps should stay because it's harder to spin in a AWD, they carry more speed and pull out easier.As for how to drift them drift them like a rally car.

 

[i9-wilson-9i]

Thats what really annoys me. people drifting (or trying to) AWD cars like there RWD. Drift them like they are. It looks better seeing a AWD sideways round a corner with smoke pouring out of all four wheels. Just my opinion...

this^^ even though im on a rwd only drift team i love awd powersliding with smoke from all tyres look awsome

 

[daltonlm]

So a 10/90 AWD is more forgiving and most of times will exit a corner faster... but still can do everything that a proper FR does?
I.E. angle correction during the tandem and the many techniques described in the Drift Bible...

Should i go to Cape Ring with an AWD and try my luck around the epic Ring?

Sorry for the self-quote, but i guess u missed something inportant.

 

[ZSPaulus]

So a 10/90 AWD is more forgiving and most of times will exit a corner faster... but still can do everything that a proper FR does?
I.E. angle correction during the tandem and the many techniques described in the Drift Bible...

You have it the wrong way round if im correct:
An AWD car with 10/90 is less forgiving then an AWD car with 50/50.
"A proper FR car" cannot do what an AWD car can; (hold 90's throughout the corner)
AWD and RWD can both correct angle during drifts (tandems or not)


But i dont know why you would even bother. You say youreself:
"(joking, i wont touch any AWD for drifting)"

So just get in an RWD car; fail at it; do more practice; fail some more; do more practice; then do some small drifts; do more practice and then you can really say you can drift a car. (notice how i didnt even mention which type of drivetrain)

Its not easy and you will spin out so many times! But when you get it; you will love it at least twice as much as you did AWD sliding..

 

[daltonlm]

No i stated correctly: 10/90 More forgiving.
Easier to stabilize, much less counterstering adjustment, phisical "pendulum" more at the middle instead the top or the end (depending the engine position). Otherwise i feel, only by look not by praticing cose i dont use AWD, that while a RWD can sustain a overstering forever, at any point the AWD will get back the grip.

Also i never mentioned 50/50, because the discussion is about street drifting in all possibilities, not only based on semi-controlled powerslides.

Im trying to find any video of somebody doing the epic ring on Cape Ring @youtube but i couldnt find no AWD doing it.
Is that impossible or people simply dont try it?

 

[pergatory]

I like to feel like there is skill involved though. I find most awd cars to easy to drift/slide.

Then you aren't doing it right. AWD cars are just as hard to drift as RWD. If you find it "easy" then you are probably just content with getting the car sideways and staying out of the dirt most of the time. That's not all there is to it.

Just like RWD, your entry speed has to be perfect in order to hit the apex at the right spot and carry speed all the way to the outside at the corner's exit while maintaining a steady angle.

It's a completely different technique, of course. If you just try to drift it like a RWD then you'll find yourself gravitating toward 10/90, and yeah it's going to feel easy because it's like driving a RWD with a handicap. It probably helps you cover up miscalculations in your entry speed, but anyone who realizes what you are doing is going to think you're a complete joke.

If you leave it closer to a 40/60 split it can still be drifted but it's a different kind of drift; a true AWD drift. To do it, you have to break your habit of countersteering. In an AWD drift, you only use a little bit of countersteer to exit the drift.

Look up some videos of Rhys Millen drifting his Evo on pavement, or the JUN Hyper Lemon Evo. Like anything, it looks easy when done right but it's definitely not.

100% RWD =

10/90 AWD =

40/60 AWD =

 

[zedfonsie]

Thats what really annoys me. people drifting (or trying to) AWD cars like there RWD. Drift them like they are. It looks better seeing a AWD sideways round a corner with smoke pouring out of all four wheels. Just my opinion...

I don't generally like people who drift with AWD. Im not saying I like it I am totally against it.

The only BIG problem I have with Awd drifters is the speed they drift! When some guy Is behind me in a r34 skyline they are drifting at least 10 mph faster than me. It usually results as him crashing into me or I get cut off and end up in the ditch.

PD should put in that you can choose what drivetrain for the specific room.
If you want a room with every drive train put in all. If you want specifically rwd or awd then make it so thats the only drive train allowed in the online or ANY lobby.