Mac vs. PC, the debate is over!

[Pako]

The debate is finally over! PC vs. Mac…..drum roll please…..























…and the winner is “Technology”. As tomorrow, I will have a new G4 sporting two-1.25ghz processors, 1.5gb’s of ram, OSX.2, and some other stuff. This will be strictly a Audio/Video production machine. I’m finally giving up doing audio production work on my PC. The reason being is my lack of self control. I have this idea that I should be able to do everything and anything on my PC, and that simply is not the case. There’s a lot of things that I can and will continue to do on my PC, but after everything is setup, I will do Final Audio Mixing, Web design, remote server maintenance, video games, and static graphics on the PC, while doing all mini-DV editing and Audio multi-track editing on the Mac. I will note, that I will end up with 3 PC’s and 1 Mac on my little home LAN all being able to share files and talk with each other. Oh life will be grand.

Anyhow,

 

[LoudMusic]

Awesome man.

From the Mac / Win System Administration point of view, you may find that the Mac is frustrating at times in its lack of options, but quite pleasing in its reliability to "just f`ing work".

I have five (count`em ... FIVE) dual 2Ghz G5 PowerMacs on their way to my office. I'll let you guys know how they handle after I get them set up (:

Edit: And if you need any tips / info about using a Mac after coming from the "PC" (Windows) world, don't hesitate to email me. I've been doing cross platform administration for ... going on six years now.

 

[Pako]

Nice, got any PCI cards that can push the extra bandwidth that the PCI Sluts can handle?

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by Pako
Nice, got any PCI cards that can push the extra bandwidth that the PCI Sluts can handle?

Well, you'd have to be a bit more spacific ...

 

[Pako]

Sorry, yeah. From what I've read so far about the G5's is that their new PCI archetecture is such that the bandwidth on the PCI bus is supposed to be absolutely increadable. This is of course assuming that you have a card that can actually push that much data that the new PCI archetecture can actually utilize.

 

[Sage]

Originally posted by Pako
As tomorrow, I will have a new G4 sporting two-1.25ghz processors, 1.5gb’s of ram, OSX.2, and some other stuff.

Congrats! 👍 BTW, if you're buying a new G4, why not pony up some more cash for a G5? (I could understand the price difference for a refurbished G4, but a brand-spanking-new Dual G4 doesn't have a huge price disparity between it and the G5 - Although of course, that could depend on which G5 you get).

Originally posted by LoudMusic
I have five (count`em ... FIVE) dual 2Ghz G5 PowerMacs on their way to my office. I'll let you guys know how they handle after I get them set up (:

Oh, come on - Wouldn't you like an upcoming PowerBook G5?

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And of course Pako, if you need any tips/advice about Jaguar, I would also like to extend an invitation to contact me any time you wish. I'd be more'n happy to help with whatever I can.

 

[Cobraboy]

Originally posted by Sage
Oh, come on - Wouldn't you like an upcoming PowerBook G5?

WHAT THE ****?!

That thing is hideous! Cos it's a mac...

 

[Viper_Maniac]

That thing is hideous.

Also how is it that the debate is over just cuz you bought a mac?

 

[Sage]

Does nobody understand that that picture isn't real? Jeezes.

 

[Cobraboy]

Originally posted by Sage
Does nobody understand that that picture isn't real? Jeezes.

Well, if it were a Windows computer maybe, must be because it's a mac.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Sage
Congrats! 👍 BTW, if you're buying a new G4, why not pony up some more cash for a G5? (I could understand the price difference for a refurbished G4, but a brand-spanking-new Dual G4 doesn't have a huge price disparity between it and the G5 - Although of course, that could depend on which G5 you get).


Oh, come on - Wouldn't you like an upcoming PowerBook G5?

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And of course Pako, if you need any tips/advice about Jaguar, I would also like to extend an invitation to contact me any time you wish. I'd be more'n happy to help with whatever I can.

Yes it is brand-new. Fortuneately for me it was someone's old inventory so I got it for a pretty good price compared to Apple's Store Education Discount Price. The G5's are .....well....too new, and untested through consumer use for what I want it for. I remember when the Mac that I just ordered cost close to $4,000...and that wasn't too terribly long ago. It will do what I need it to do quite nicely. I'm not going to render the next Pixar movie on it, I'm not helping with the next Episode of Starwars with it, I'm just capturing some mini-DV and video editing, and some 32-track, 24-bit, 96khz audio recording and mastering. I think it will do just fine. :-) Should I decide to move into a Protools HD system, the way that system works is through Processing Cards which don't even hit system resources that much. I know guys that have multi-million dollar studio's that are still running a G3, 500mhz on a Full-Blown HD system that would rock your structure. So again, it's about getting what you need, not what they tell you you need.



Thanks for the extend help resource with X.2, I'm sure I'll need it. From what I read, I'll need X.2.26...

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
That thing is hideous.

Also how is it that the debate is over just cuz you bought a mac?

Because I said so....gotta problem with that?

BTW - your signature is to many lines. Please condense it to 6 lines please, and do it because I said so.

Now to seriously answer your question, I thought I explained why the debate is over, but perhaps I should simplify it for you.

I already have three PC's, adding a fourth one would not solve my audio/video production needs. Adding a Mac fulfills those needs. Getting rid of the PC's would leave additional needs unmeet that the Mac would not be able to fulfill. So there you go, neither one is superior to the other, they are just better at doing different things. Does that make sence to you?

 

[Viper_Maniac]

Originally posted by Pako
Because I said so....gotta problem with that?

Yes.

Originally posted by Pako
BTW - your signature is to many lines. Please condense it to 6 lines please, and do it because I said so.

*grumbles*

Originally posted by Pako
Now to seriously answer your question, I thought explained why the debate is over, but perhaps I should simplify it for you.

I already have three PC's, adding a fourth one would not solve my audio/video production needs. Adding a Mac fullfills those needs. Getting rid of the PC's would leave additional needs unmeet that the Mac would not be able to fullfill. So there you go, neither one is superior to the other, they are just better at doing different things. Does that make since to you?

Yes it does make sense to me.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
Yes.

That's to bad.

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
*grumbles*

Sorry about that. Don't forget that spaces (carriage returns) count towards the number of lines in your signature.

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
Yes it does make sense to me.

You PeeCee guys are always so anal.

 

[Sage]

Originally posted by Pako
Yes it is brand-new. Fortuneately for me it was someone's old inventory so I got it for a pretty good price compared to Apple's Store Education Discount Price. The G5's are .....well....too new, and untested through consumer use for what I want it for. I remember when the Mac that I just ordered cost close to $4,000...and that wasn't too terribly long ago. It will do what I need it to do quite nicely.

Okey dokey.

Thanks for the extend help resource with X.2, I'm sure I'll need it. From what I read, I'll need X.2.26...

[/B]

No prob! Of course, you'll probably want to install X.2.6...

 

[Pako]

Gosh, what is it with everyone's anal retentive quest for being absolutely perfect about everything? You will all make great accountants some day! I do thank you guys for making me a better person though.

Yes, 10.2.6...my bad.

 

[Viper_Maniac]

Originally posted by Pako
You PeeCee guys are always so anal.

Are not.

Originally posted by Pako
You will all make great accountants some day!

My accounting teacher always says that but I'm going for Network Administrating..

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
Are not.



My accounting teacher always says that but I'm going for Network Administrating..

Network Administration, eh? Right on! MIS is a noble field to get into for sure, a thankless job at times, but noble.

 

[Viper_Maniac]

Originally posted by Pako
Network Administration

Now look whos being anal.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
Now look whos being anal.

Not anal, just vengeful.

 

[Viper_Maniac]

Well thats just as bad.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Viper_Maniac
Well thats just as bad.

I personally think it's worse, but that's just me.

 

[LoudMusic]

Our video editing suite at work is a dual 2Ghz G4 with 2GB memory, two 120GB disks, an 80GB disk, the 64MB video card, and a 23" Cinema display.

It's pretty pimptacular.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
Our video editing suite at work is a dual 2Ghz G4 with 2GB memory, two 120GB disks, an 80GB disk, the 64MB video card, and a 23" Cinema display.

It's pretty pimptacular.

Damn...I mean..., DAMN.

 

[TurboSmoke]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
Awesome man.


I have five (count`em ... FIVE) dual 2Ghz G5 PowerMacs on their way to my office.

jeez, the G5 is the hottest piece of hardware this millenuim....can i have one????...please...why would you need 5???...

 

[Pako]

So...

Well, after some hunting down of the UPS guy, I finally got my G4 lastnight. I don't have my 002r yet (should be today), but I still had to firer it up. I was instantly impressed unpacking it from the box. I spent some time getting to know the Mac's OS (10.4.2) as well as getting used to not having a Right-Click....the transition won't be as bad as thought it would be. After 'playing' around in there, I did an update from Apple, and got all the suggested updates, including 10.6.2.....everything updated, but after it got done the update program stopped responding. Then other programs quite responding and wouldn't open. Then my mouse cursor dissapeared (it was still there, just couldn't see it). Eventually I was able to force the programs closed, where I then proceeded to hold the power button to force the Mac off. Upon rebooting, it almost came to the desktop, but rebooted on it's own again...but this time it proceeded to the desktop. Made me kind of nervous. Anyhow, I was able to add this machine to my home network, and was even able to connect to my XP's shared documents where I have old PTLE sessions, Video, and other audio files....the networking worked!!! So three hours into it, I flying through the OS and have it networked to a Microsoft Workgroup, am surfing the net, checking emails, and trancing on very cool screen savers... It's cool..., and the UNIX conrol panels are pretty cool as well..., built in firewalls, port syntric!!!!, very cool.

 

[Matrixhasu77]

I spent some time getting to know the Mac's OS (10.4.2) as well as getting used to not having a Right-Click....the transition won't be as bad as thought it would be.

If I recall correctly, option+click should be the same as a right-click. Of course, I've only used Mac OS 9.2.2 (Which constantly crashed.) and have yet to touch a mac with OS X or Panther(which isn't even out yet) on it.

After 'playing' around in there, I did an update from Apple, and got all the suggested updates, including 10.6.2.....everything updated, but after it got done the update program stopped responding. Then other programs quite responding and wouldn't open. Then my mouse cursor dissapeared (it was still there, just couldn't see it). Eventually I was able to force the programs closed, where I then proceeded to hold the power button to force the Mac off. Upon rebooting, it almost came to the desktop, but rebooted on it's own again...but this time it proceeded to the desktop. Made me kind of nervous. [/B]

Odd, your new mac crashed on you? I thought those things were supposed to be incredibly stable with OS X.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by Matrixhasu77
If I recall correctly, option+click should be the same as a right-click. Of course, I've only used Mac OS 9.2.2 (Which constantly crashed.) and have yet to touch a mac with OS X or Panther(which isn't even out yet) on it.



Odd, your new mac crashed on you? I thought those things were supposed to be incredibly stable with OS X.

Yeah, Option+Click, but right-click was so much more convienient.

In the Mac's defense, I was trying to see how many programs I could open while it was downloading and installing updates.

I had every application open that I could find...

 

[Sage]

Originally posted by Pako
I was instantly impressed unpacking it from the box.

I still have my box that the iBook came in... aren't dey so pwetty?

I spent some time getting to know the Mac's OS (10.4.2)

Sorry for being anal once again, but it's 10.2.4 ... and it's helpful knowledge, because if you ever visit a Mac forum and state that you have 10.4.2, you'd have people jumping down your throat in a hurry (after they demand screenies).

as well as getting used to not having a Right-Click....

Just buy a new mouse! I'll be the first to admit that using Apple's one-button mice is a horrid experience, and it's ridiculous that they still think people would rather have the simplicity of that than a decent 2button+scrollwheel mouse. Anyway, OS X provides automagic support for all 2button+scrollwheel mice (no drivers required), and for mice with more buttons that that, most companies provide OS X drivers. Personally, I use a Logitech MX 500, and I love it! (Eight buttons, ergonomic design, and the best optical thingie in the market right now).

(FYI, Control+Click is what brings up contextual menus)

After 'playing' around in there, I did an update from Apple, and got all the suggested updates, including 10.6.2.....everything updated,

Um, looks like you were a little too quick to jump to the update, because today 10.2.8 was released (check your Software Update panel again).

Eventually I was able to force the programs closed, where I then proceeded to hold the power button to force the Mac off.

Did you do that because you couldn't bring up the Restart/Shut Down dialog box? You should only shut down by holding the power button in those circumstances (or if you get a Kernal Panic, which you'll know when a gray overlay comes on your screen telling you to hold down the power button - Don't worry though, as it happens super-rarely), because shutting down that way wreaks havoc on the permissions and what not. Because you've already done it, I suggest you go to Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility, then go to the First Aid tab, and choose "Repair Permissions". It's not necessary, but it's good practice to do this about once a month and/or after a forced shut down.

In the Mac's defense, I was trying to see how many programs I could open while it was downloading and installing updates.

I had every application open that I could find...

That shouldn't cause such problems though - It might cause the computer to slow down whereupon you'd have to Force Quit some of the apps, but my point is that apps should almost never cause the need for a forced shut down. And as a side note, I know people who run 30+ apps at a time on OS X.

BTW, check your PM inbox in a minute - I've got some helpful links/info. 👍

 

[Matrixhasu77]

Originally posted by Sage

Just buy a new mouse! I'll be the first to admit that using Apple's one-button mice is a horrid experience, and it's ridiculous that they still think people would rather have the simplicity of that than a decent 2button+scrollwheel mouse. Anyway, OS X provides automagic support for all 2button+scrollwheel mice (no drivers required), and for mice with more buttons that that, most companies provide OS X drivers. Personally, I use a Logitech MX 500, and I love it! (Eight buttons, ergonomic design, and the best optical thingie in the market right now).

What I don't understand is why Apple refuses to provide users with a two-button mouse. It's almost a standard these days. I cannot stand a single button mouse simply because you have to use the keyboard in order to do a right-click/option-click/etc.