Magny Cours

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It's that time again, as the F1 circus returns to Europe following it's brief yet eventful North American stint.

The Magny-Cours event has traditionally been synonymous with boredom, with many preferring the alternate venue of Paul Ricard, amongst others. The most recent developments surrounding Magny-Cours were Michael Schumacher clinching the championship there in 2002, well before the final rounds, and last year saw Ralf Schumacher win from an angered Juan Pablo Montoya, with Michael Schumacher emerging from a dismal race for third. The thing most people noticed was Rubens carving his way through the grid from last place and the predominantly empty stands surrounding the circuit.

This year things couldn't be more different, there'll be no emergency meetings between Ferrari and Bridgestone in a local restaurant, nor will Ralf Schumacher stand atop the podium as a recent scan revealed two fractured vertebrae that will see him miss 3 months of competitions. Could be a critical blow to his Toyota hopes.

Ferrari will again be the team to beat as Michael looks for yet another victory, BAR will likely be quite strong again, perhaps more so than Renault, Williams will be hoping to salvage points following their dismal North American leg and the unfortunate incidents that transpired. McLaren may yet be the dark horse as their MP4-19B finally emerges for a race outing following significant testing mileage. Sauber will probably be two stopping their way to points, Jaguar's future looks more uncertain by the day, with their team principle admitting they may not figure in the 2005 championship. Perhaps this will free a spot for Arden International to graduate from F3. Jordan remains off pace despite their best efforts, and Toyota's speed amounted to little (4 points for Panis' 5th at the USGP) in the North American leg but they'll be looking to improve their fortunes. Minardi have been buoyed by their well deserved point in the United States, and will be hoping reliability can carry them to yet more.

So once again here's the place to post thoughts, times and events as they transpire. Magny-Cours has a tough act to follow after the eventful USGP, but nothing is ever certain in racing.
 
One of my least favourite GP's (unless it rains). As I remember, this track has about 1 overtaking point - into the corner 4 hairpin (Adelaide I think).

Renault will be keen to put in a strong showing in front of their home crowd, and I think there chances of pole are very strong. Williams will be challenged to do well at this GP, considering they are a 1st choice driver short. If Sauber can continue wit their conservative fuel strategy, they may well end up with a useful points haul; again.
 
Adelaide is indeed the 4th turn hairpin following quite a speedy straight before the cars sweep into the infield. Watch for Sato diving like crazy on doubt ;)

Looking back on the 2003 results both Renaults suffered engine failures, and Button ran out of fuel. There's a few things that hopefully won't recur.

This may be Renault's home track but it's also the home track of someone else rather influential - Jean Todt.
 
McLaren and the new car.. Mika Salo (a former F1 driver) said that McLaren did a mistake by taking the car to Magny cours, ´cause it´s one of the hardest tracks to find a good setup to the car. He also said that most of McLaren´s problems are engine related, and they will not just disappear because of new chassis.

McLaren has survived the two races with de-tuned engines, and they can´t compete with Ferrari, Renault and Bar. And Williams as well :D McLaren is in a crisis, and let´s hope this nightmare ends now.

Jaguar said that it was a mistake to take Klien to the teams race driver. He is not experienced enough but he brought big sponsor with him. And now he broke his finger ´cause he put it into a cooling-fan.. What a dumbass :D I hope Jag scores some points and gets huges loads of money from FIA. It is my favourite team in the series and I hope it stays in it.

I hope Ferrari won´t dominate again this race. Well, we´ll see..

I´m sure BAR is again gonna challenge Ferrari. It has been VERY fast since Montreal, when they got new engines. I hope their time of glory is soon.

This is the moment of Gene. I remember he once drove a Minardi, but I think he haven´t raced in any other teams. I´m sure if he does good job, some teams might be interested of him as a race driver. Montoya, I really don´t have anything to say about him. Hope he won´t try anything impossible. He does that awful alot..

Toyota and Sauber will keep up the good work, maybe they´ll score some points too. I don´t think anything special comes up.

Ok, laters now :cheers:
 
RSCosworth
Jaguar said that it was a mistake to take Klien to the teams race driver. He is not experienced enough but he brought big sponsor with him.

RedBull would not allow Jaguar to make Klien a test driver for a year. They wanted him in the seat, or they would yank their sponsorship. Jaguar didnt have much choice in the matter.
 
Magny Cours's primary distinction is that it's the smoothest-surfaced track of the year.

As such, you can bung a reasonably stiff setup on it, and give the aero a stable platform to work on. It's fairly high downforce, but there is that big straight up to Adelaide, so you need plenty grunt there. I would expect McLaren to fare no better than they have been thus far.

Renault will turn up with a slew of development parts (as is the norm), so they will be looking for a strong finish - possibly ahead of the BARs, but I'm not sure that they will manage it. It depends on Alonso really - he has to get back on form, and fast.

It's widely rumoured that Renault will announce that Jarno Trulli has been signed for another year.

On the Jaguar issue, it's looking really shaky for them. Ford absolutely MUST put in more cash, to allow them to hire a couple of reasonable pilots for next year. Plus, HSBC as-good-as said that they will not renew their $10m/yr deal with the team. Look to see them sponsoring McLaren next year, that's my tip. Klien's just a kid, but he has shown flashes of talent this year. Certainly more than his $6m 'purse' would have you believe.
 
RSCosworth
McLaren and the new car.. Mika Salo (a former F1 driver) said that McLaren did a mistake by taking the car to Magny cours, ´cause it´s one of the hardest tracks to find a good setup to the car. He also said that most of McLaren´s problems are engine related, and they will not just disappear because of new chassis.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43853 - Deals with the new MP4-19B and the reason we it may or may not be a step in the right direction for McLaren as they look to get their season back on track.

RSCosworth
This is the moment of Gene. I remember he once drove a Minardi, but I think he haven´t raced in any other teams.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45137 - Marc Gene has raced, successfully, for more than just Minardi.

Something very few people understand is the ambient temperature. Magny-Cours boasts not only very smooth but very black tarmac and the ambient temperature has a significant impact on laptimes, more so than anywhere else on the calendar according to Pat Symonds of Renault. He gave the example that track temperatures varied 3 degrees at the last British GP at Silverstone over Friday-Saturday as opposed to 18 at Magny-Cours over the same period. Check this link for more information: http://www.formula1.com/news/1808.html.
 
Barrichello has gon fastest in practice but that doesn't realy mean anything just yet as The McLaren boy didn't even make a run and things are just warming up...
 
JPM has totally wrecked his car in the 1st free practice when it started to rain cats´n´dogs.
guess the colour of the fastest cars this morning ;)
 
JPM´s wreck

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Wow, Kimi sure can get that car airborne off the curbs. I'm happy that Minardi is ahead of another team, but this is just practice. Seems Ferrari is going to be taking home anothe couple of trophies sunday.
 
Well I do not know what will happen at Magny Cours this year. But from what I remember of last years race, it seemed it was an extremely boring race and was not much at all to watch. Hopefully this year's race will be better.

And saying that, Go BAR and Renault! . . . and maybe McLaren will show up for this race.
 
Last year's, and practically every year's, event has been pretty boring really.

I was pretty amazed when I saw the footage of Montoya spinning off. I haven't had a chance to do anything but give a cursory glance to the times, I had to go out today. I'll be watching qualifying this evening though. Wonder how many teams got meaningful setup work done yesterday, certainly looks like Ferrari did.
 
The qualify is about to begin! I think that Ferraris, Bars and Renaults will be in front. I don´t expect anything from McLaren. Kimi was 9th yesterday. That´s not good, not at all. Well, I can just hope for the best.
I´m cheering for Jaguar with all my fanboy power. I really hope they start scoring points soon :D so they don´t need to leave the F1 ´cause of low funds.

Cheers

[EDIT]I take my words back about McLaren. Kimi was fastest in todays free practise..[/EDIT]
 
Fernando Alonso, who'd have guessed.

Both Michael and Montoya messed up their last sectors. Some promising pace from McLaren.
 
Good for Alonso! "Der Führer" really messed up the last sector and didn´t get the pole. I´m pretty disappointed for Jaguar today. I was waiting for Top10 from Webber.

Go McLaren, good work, let´s hope they don´t have technical problems in the race.

Here in Finland, if you had guessed the top three right today, you´d get your bet back 2594 times. That would be nice..

I hope the race will be interesting.


*GO JAGUAR, GO WEBBER, Don´t destroy your finger by putting it into a cooling fan again, Klien*
 
RSCosworth
"Der Führer" really messed up the last sector and didn´t get the pole.

What? That wasn't very nice now was it?

Anyway... I guess this is just gonna be another Shumi win. But. I wonder if maybe we'll see a British two three. But it looks like any of the top few could take second/third. Hopefully it's be interesting.
 
Man, I did not even seen any of qualifying. I woke up this morning and remember it was qualifying time and turned on the TV. Though I never really got out of bed. I just happened to catch that Alonso got pole and Coulthard got P3. After that I had no idea, other than I heard Montoya's qualifying and saw he was doing well through the first two sectors, but lost a ton of time in the third. But I did not remember which spot he qualified. Did I really miss anything during qualifying?

Right now, I do not even feel like waking up in the morning to watch the race. But I will wake up. I am getting sick of this 6:30 start time of coverage for the races here. I am just too darn tired by the time the weekend comes around to wake up at that time. I really wish I could sleep in. Oh well, the things I do to watch F1.
 
Diddums, the Canadian and US GPs were like 3am here :P The European races are 11pm which is a lot more supportable. You didn't miss much at all at qualifying. Montoya is down at 6th. It does feel lame to get up for a race you know won't be that interesting. As you said, oh well, we could do worse.

Just under 6 hours now.
 
Barrichello will probably do a 2 stopper to move up the grid.

It'll be interesting to see how everything unfolds. A lot of the teams missed out on doing long runs during practice... and many, if not, all of them, don't have a whole lot of data on how much the tyres will wear out during the race. So a few surprises could be in store for the drivers.

Is it supposed to rain during the race?

It'll be really fun to see Donnington '93 - like wet conditions. Although I seriously doubt teams will be stopping as often as they did during that race.

I'll be rooting for Alonso. I hope he blasts from the start and starts putting a good distance between him and whoever may end up in 2nd. I really don't want to see MS move into P1 during the first round of pit stops.

There's always the possibility that MS might be lighter on fuel than Alonso. MS was considerably faster in the first 2 sectors. But the Renaults also have a weaker engine.

And Sato! He could end up doing well. Even though he's somewhere in the middle, he could push hard and actually try to pass the other drivers.
 
the cars are rolling into grid positions...

i predict:
1 Schumi
2 Alonso
3 Takuma San - edit: make that Button ;)
 
nice spin by montoya on the finish line there :)
otherwise it looks like a pretty boring race today...

edit:
well i got the first and second place right :)
schumi once again - what a surprise :ill:
 
Über Ownage from Ferrari !..

Nice going Rubens.. Just as the Renault folks were satisfied with 2nd and 3rd.. BOOM !.. Enter Barrichello 👍
 
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