Main cause for cars spinning out on nurburgring carousel?

[JackWilson]

Most cars I can get around it with ease, but then others as soon as I go into the dipped part of the carousel the car just spins out and loses grip.

What do you think is the cause of this?

• Ride Height (Too Low)
• Dampers (Rebound?)
• Or another

I think it could be down to ride height being to low, but then I've seen cars were the front bumper is scraping the floor around it, so it can't be.

Anyone know?

 

[praiano63]

Most cars I can get around it with ease, but then others as soon as I go into the dipped part of the carousel the car just spins out and loses grip.

What do you think is the cause of this?

• Ride Height (Too Low)
• Dampers (Rebound?)
• Or another

I think it could be down to ride height being to low, but then I've seen cars were the front bumper is scraping the floor around it, so it can't be.

Anyone know?

Rear spring strenght to low + rear Ride Height (Too Low)

 

[V4.SKUNK]

Ride height is to low.

 

[JackWilson]

Ok thanks 👍

I thought it might be but just wasnt 100%.

Cheers.

 

[Lambob]

for me, it is also front toe, when set too high at negative, it can wreak havoc.
Also, too much weight transfer from back to front, (when braking too late) is a culprit.

I found a single most excellent tuning adjustment, that I am applying to my cars now on the track, and that is Rear Extension Damper. Try raising that 3 or 4 notches for this track, it works wonders.

I find it prevents too much weght landing into the front springs, thus keeping your front tires "cooler" for more effecient turning where most of the turns are being done from slowing down. I shaved 2s from my consistent times. Now approaching 6:50s mark times with the Evora.

 

[chuyler1]

Lots of things can cause it, but mostly it means your car isn't balanced for high-camber turns. If you run different camber in the front than the rear that is another cause that wasn't mentioned. Try this. Take your car to Cape Ring Periphery and push it hard around the giant loop. Which end of the car loses grip first? If it's the rear, you need to play with camber, springs, and ride height until you can get the front to lose grip first. That will ensure that you understeer out of the carousel before you spin out.

 

[XDesperado67]

Driver error...

 

[esoxhntr]

Driver error...

It's funny cuz it's true.

Especially some MR cars, you cannot lift off throttle completely without going ass first. Gotta keep weight on the rears.

What lambob is doing with increased rear extension may work (keeping weight on rear longer during decel) but it may also negatively affect performance elsewhere on the track (increased understeer). A steady throttle will achieve the same thing.

 

[watermelon punch]

Driver error...

Though I'm the first to admit driver error all over the place... This is not strictly true for the carousel. Some cars like it & some don't. And it's everything to do with the suspension.
The Nurb carousel (as well as the Cape Ring circle) have a LOT to do with the suspension set-up.

So I'm with what Lambo & Chuyler1 said. About camber & toe being of particular concern.

The Cape Ring circle is my long time most detested tuning problem on any track with certain cars. At times, I've just gone back to the fixed sports kit for Cape Ring, because it was better than anything I could tune into the suspension!!

And I know it's a tuning issue for the carousel... Because in unmodified condition, say in a Shuffle race (car, as is)... some cars are beautiful on the carousel. And others not so much.
Indeed, with some cars in a shuffle race, I opt up to ride the flat top wide (which ordinarily wouldn't make sense) & wind up doing better than a lot of faster drivers in that spot (shocking)... Simply because with certain cars it's actually faster than risking the twirls in the banked area. I know now that I'm making the right decision with that, because I started to notice I wasn't the only car to be doing that in a shuffle race... Once you know some cars really don't like that, it's often better off to just opt out of the carousel altogether.

Clearly if tuning is an option in a race - that would be a big downer, and a huge slow-down, not being able to tune a car that could make it properly through the carousel.
And IMHO (not being the best tuner by any stretch of the imagination)... If I can tune a car to make it nicely through that carousel... When I get it to that point, generally sticks better on the rest of Nurburgring as well! So it's a win-win.

 

[smrtb0mb]

Tangental rant - there is absolutely no audio or controller feedback to warn you when this is happening (not just on the carousel, but in other similar situations.) The controller only seems to give you useless feedback. (DS3 anyway, don't know about wheels.)

 

[cicua]

The safest thing to do in powerful RWD cars is just coast through the carousel.

This way it is not an immediate disaster if one wheel loses some traction.

Finish braking before you dive in. Do not even look at the throttle until you are at least halfways through. Stay in 4th or higher, if you shift down you get too much engine braking on the rear wheels.

The key is of course to carry a reasonable amount of speed through while coasting. That is why you don't go straight into it, but instead go a little way up on the "sidewalk" (while still braking), and then turn in.

 

[Master_gamer438]

Also camber, too much and your tires wont be flush, also the banked area isnt tarmac, more like concrete, this is where ride height and springs come into play as well as possibly dampers, my CSL at 550PP can run through the banked area at a steady 55MPH at 1153kg. My GTR '03 at 1300kg can go at 65MPH, seems the heavier the car the more stable it is. Though adding ballast lowers PP so compensating you get more HP. My GTR gets 513HP @ 550PP where the CSL gets 487 to 490HP depending on how recently i've done a oil change.

 

[Shlagem]

I am not a perfect tuner but the carossel loss of balance in very much common while driving on the Nurburgring!
To minimize the thrill and surprise the corner entry and carry in speed and exit needs some precision, I watched the 24 hours of the Nurburgring 2011 alot , with the choper cam you can see clearly that most drivers tend to dive in late, i tried that and it mostly worked and shave much of the surprise factor.
On corner entry there is a barrier that will step out you can see it clearly on the right hand side its when the rear of your car crosses that pointy barrier the time to dive in.
Also while in mid corner costing a highly powered car is the best way to ensure no spins, Plus you can put the inside wheels beyond the inside white line this will give the turn less camber than it is (usually works well with road cars rather than racing cars), wait till you can straighten your exit and full throttle just after you cross the bump in order not to send the car flying.
This is not a tutorial for crossing the caroussel but i found this the easiest way to judge if things gona go wrong, it made me avoid that sudden rear end snap.