Man Killed in London on boxing day

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Really sad. I find knife crime very disturbing for some reason. I also feel more sad than usual when crimes are commuted around this time of year, I know I shouldn't, but somehow I do.

It may have been the victims own fault though.
 
It may have been the victims own fault though.


Based on . . . . . ????

Nothing yet says he was even part of the fight that was observed to take place. Maybe he was drawn in as things got out of hand. Maybe he was trying to flee. Maybe he was minding his own business and didn't even know what was going on. Maybe he was an instigator in the trouble. We simply don't know.

What in God's name prompted you to say it might have been his own fault??!!!?!
 
wfooshee
Based on . . . . . ????

Nothing yet says he was even part of the fight that was observed to take place. Maybe he was drawn in as things got out of hand. Maybe he was trying to flee. Maybe he was minding his own business and didn't even know what was going on. Maybe he was an instigator in the trouble. We simply don't know.

What in God's name prompted you to say it might have been his own fault??!!!?!

Well in the top link it said that people saw two groups opposing each other.
Look I'm not accusing the lad of anything I just said that it may have been his own fault. I never said that I knew anything with certainty at all.
 
Well in the top link it said that people saw two groups opposing each other.
Look I'm not accusing the lad of anything I just said that it may have been his own fault. I never said that I knew anything with certainty at all.

Are you serious? 👎 How in your mind could the victim have been asking for it? How in your mind could it possibly have been his own fault if you don't think he did anything wrong? He's 18 years old and he's outside of a store! What's the worst that he could do where getting stabbed to death is something he deserves? Put your brain to work, man.

Let's say he was one member of a group opposed to another group. Let's say they start to brawl and fight. Let's say he started that fight and he was insulting innocent children who were walking into the store. Is that gounds for him to be stabbed to death?

Geez. I hope you never end up on a Jury panel...
 
Villain
Are you serious? 👎 How in your mind could the victim have been asking for it? How in your mind could it possibly have been his own fault if you don't think he did anything wrong? He's 18 years old and he's outside of a store! What's the worst that he could do where getting stabbed to death is something he deserves? Put your brain to work, man.

Let's say he was one member of a group opposed to another group. Let's say they start to brawl and fight. Let's say he started that fight and he was insulting innocent children who were walking into the store. Is that gounds for him to be stabbed to death?

Geez. I hope you never end up on a Jury panel...

He could have been completely innocent but he may have done something to warrant such violence. There are plenty of things someone can do to cause someone to stab you.
We don't know the details and at the end of the day its all speculation.
 
TankAss95
Really sad. I find knife crime very disturbing for some reason. I also feel more sad than usual when crimes are commuted around this time of year, I know I shouldn't, but somehow I do.

It may have been the victims own fault though.

Wow... As villain said, even if he started a huge brawl why in the hell is it his fault he was stabbed to death? My god, think before you post.

Very sad, I hope his family had a good Christmas with him, I can't imagine how hard this time next year will be for them.
 
Wow... As villain said, even if he started a huge brawl why in the hell is it his fault he was stabbed to death? My god, think before you post.

Very sad, I hope his family had a good Christmas with him, I can't imagine how hard this time next year will be for them.

Like i said, we do not know what he has done, we dont know the details. He might have started the brawl, but what else has he done?? The police dont reveal all the facts and the news certainly dont
 
Guys you are overreacting. I wasn't accusing the guy of anything I was just stating the possibility.
I mean, couldn't he have been carrying a knife himself?
 
He could have been completely innocent but he may have done something to warrant such violence. There are plenty of things someone can do to cause someone to stab you.
We don't know the details and at the end of the day its all speculation.
The bolded part is what scares me the most. I'm sorry, where I live you aren't allowed to stab anyone for any reason unless you are a surgeon performing an operation. 👎

I'd like to hear about what you think is a valid reason for a teenager to get stabbed to death.
 
TankAss95
Guys you are overreacting. I wasn't accusing the guy of anything I was just stating the possibility.
I mean, couldn't he have been carrying a knife himself?

Even if he was the only way I'd ever see justification is if he was trying to stab them and in a self defense attempt they wildly swung back. Why anybody carries knives/guns around I'll never know. What happened to a good old fist fight. One guy against one guy no weapons and then it's over with.
 
Even if he is carrying the knife... is that grounds for him to be stabbed to death? If someone who is fighting you brandishes a knife is your first response to kill them with their own knife?

He's 18 years old and outside of a shoe store. What is the worst that could've possibly been done by him?

I guess we'll have to wait and find out more as facts get released.
 
I'm sorry to those who I have upset in this thread. I worded my post wrong.
Maybe he did something stupid that could have put himself in danger. He may have started off something (if he had a knife or something) that led to himself ultimately being wounded.

At no point did I say that he deserved tone stabbed, or hurt in any way. As above, we don't know. There is no justification for knife crime, no one deserves to get stabbed, it must be horrible.
 
The bolded part is what scares me the most. I'm sorry, where I live you aren't allowed to stab anyone for any reason unless you are a surgeon performing an operation. 👎

I'd like to hear about what you think is a valid reason for a teenager to get stabbed to death.

Im not saying anything is a valid reason for someone to die, of course im not. But there is a possibility that he committed a crime of equal measure. There are a lot of unsolved murders in some cities, due to gang culture. Also wild rumours spread and innocent people are sometimes believed to be responsible. Dont mis-read this, im not calling him a murderer, as Tankass said there is always a possibility. My point is people who commit these crimes are in a mindset that we cannot understand.
He may have been innocent, or he may not. But there are so many ifs and buts with a story like this that we simply cannot say if he hadn't brought this on himself. Again i am merely raising the point that we dont know the full details, so to jump to any conslusion is unjustified, until the facts have come to light.
 
Pagey279
Im not saying anything is a valid reason for someone to die, of course im not. But there is a possibility that he committed a crime of equal measure. There are a lot of unsolved murders in some cities, due to gang culture. Also wild rumours spread and innocent people are sometimes believed to be responsible. Dont mis-read this, im not calling him a murderer, as Tankass said there is always a possibility. My point is people who commit these crimes are in a mindset that we cannot understand.
He may have been innocent, or he may not. But there are so many ifs and buts with a story like this that we simply cannot say if he hadn't brought this on himself. Again i am merely raising the point that we dont know the full details, so to jump to any conslusion is unjustified, until the facts have come to light.

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Irises is always a possibility, but I shouldn't have said it in my post like I did. I apologise for any people I have upset.
 
The bolded part is what scares me the most. I'm sorry, where I live you aren't allowed to stab anyone for any reason unless you are a surgeon performing an operation. 👎

I'd like to hear about what you think is a valid reason for a teenager to get stabbed to death.

Yeah, not quite right. Granted, you can't just walk up to someone and stab them because you think they're ugly, or because they're holding you up in the Wendy's line, but I have every right to take someone's life if mine is in immediate danger and I have no hope of flight, whether by stabbing, shooting, kicking, screaming, whatever.

Someone comes at me with a life-threatening weapon, I have every right to use whatever force is necessary to end the altercation. By end, I mean end!

I don't have the skills for hand-to-hand unarmed combat against an armed adversary, though.

This kid may be someone who went into a knife fight and lost, or he may just be a victim of someone else's criminal action, like I would probably be.
 
You have a good point and there is definitely something to be said about self-defense (you said it well). I guess we just wait for the facts to come out and hear about what really happened.
 
It's sad, still.

I gotta agree with Tank though, and reading a bit of other articles, it seems like no one was in the right.

In all honesty, if someone started a fight and I was involved; depending on how the fight was going, I too, might start stabbing. If it comes down to me or them, it won't be me if I can help it. Not saying that's the case, and not saying I encourage stabbing.

You get gang violence, people often get killed.
 
What a miserable fate he had to take up on the very final day of a past year... It's the fault of the two gangs for bringing knives just to settle the quarrel in case of inability of maintaining the affair in their hands... Weren't there any other solutions that could be meditated at the time the murder happened? :grumpy:

It will always end in tears.

Yeah, it's always sad to hear that kind of barbarous incident occuring wherever you live and wherever it arises. :(
 
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