Manual faster than automatic?

[Chrisachi]

I'v been playing the online Laguna Seca Quick race on Gt6 online and people pass me with the same car and I'm positive it's not because I'm slow, I'm not sure if it's because they are using manual transmission that they get better acceleration or higher revs before they shift compared to automatic, can someone clarify this for me please.

If anyone is wondering why I'm still using automatic, it's because I wanted to master the whole driving dynamic first which I feel like I have, with that being said I was doing close to perfect driving lines and people with the same car were still passing me, so in conclusion my theory is that manual is faster because of the higher revs you can shift compared to just the redline shifts that automatic dose. I'm going to try manual now even though it is going to feel super awkward, I will tell you guys what I find out. So long.

PSN: KingChrisachi

 

[Dagger311]

I ended up several seconds quicker after switching.

 

[Route5Racing]

Driving in manual is usually a fair bit fast as it gives you the flexibility to control how and when you want to use the power of the engine, also helps with engine braking too. If they are pulling away in the straights in the identical car its probably just a case of being able to run the gears harder (higher in the redline for instance)

I'd strongly suggest you try manual, you'll feel alot more involved with the car once you get comfortable with it.

 

[Chrisachi]

I ended up several seconds quicker after switching.

Cheers on the quick reply, so manual is faster. Thank you sir, add me if you wanna play.

Anyone else feel free to post your experience on the matter plz, curious to see if it's because of the higher revs you can get.

 

[Dagger311]

Cheers on the quick reply, so manual is faster. Thank you sir, add me if you wanna play.

Anyone else feel free to post your experience on the matter plz, curious to see if it's because of the higher revs you can get.

It was partly the revs, and partly the fact that you can engine brake.

Also, if you have to take consecutive corners, you can keep it in whatever gear you need it. On auto, you have to make it upshift or downshift by using the throttle and brake.

 

[Route5Racing]

Thats usually what it is, depends on the car really. Also worth noting that you'll usually be able to get stronger corner entrys and exits which would help to give you an advantage on the following straight.

 

[Chrisachi]

Driving in manual is usually a fair bit fast as it gives you the flexibility to control how and when you want to use the power of the engine, also helps with engine braking too. If they are pulling away in the straights in the identical car its probably just a case of being able to run the gears harder (higher in the redline for instance)

I'd strongly suggest you try manual, you'll feel alot more involved with the car once you get comfortable with it.

Ahh , thank you, I'm going to make the switch today, I will tell both of you my results.

 

[GBalao888]

Surprisingly, the Aston Martin DP-100 Vision GT can reach 397KM/H with manual transmission and with automatic it can only reach 360+KM/H.

 

[Mtla1984]

manual simply gives you options, engine braking is a huge part of it, another great advantage is allowing you to keep your revs right up there so your minimum corner speed at its max you will feel it quickly and laps will improve accordingly.

 

[Chrisachi]

It was partly the revs, and partly the fact that you can engine brake.

Also, if you have to take consecutive corners, you can keep it in whatever gear you need it. On auto, you have to make it upshift or downshift by using the throttle and brake.

Jeeze I feel like a Noob, I appreciate the help, I get the high revs part I'm not sure I understand the engine braking part.

Thats usually what it is, depends on the car really. Also worth noting that you'll usually be able to get stronger corner entrys and exits which would help to give you an advantage on the following straight.

I did not know that, by the way sir, I just did my first race on the Leguna Seca Quick race online and GOLIE I noticed a huge difference my only thing is I feel awkward on cornering do you understand engine braking?

 

[MatskiMonk]

Manual does allow you to be faster... although it does allow for cock-ups too. Some cars limiters is pretty close to the shift point.... try and drag that gear out too long and bang, you just lost 6 mph. At the end of the day, it's just something else you've got to get right to be quick.

Also TCS of standing starts with a manual take more judging.

I could never get the hang of manual until I switched to a wheel, and then using an Auto just felt so restricted.

 

[Chrisachi]

Surprisingly, the Aston Martin DP-100 Vision GT can reach 397KM/H with manual transmission and with automatic it can only reach 360+KM/H.

Nice comparison, so I pretty much automatic is jogging and manual is sprinting?! LOL

manual simply gives you options, engine braking is a huge part of it and allowing you to keep your revs right up there keeps your minimum corner speed at its max you will feel it quickly and laps will improve accordingly.

Well met sir well me, merry Christmas by the way, and I just did my second race and it's going to take time to get used to but I'm seeing major potential.

 

[Mtla1984]

yup! go for it mate! it will all make sense soon enough and you will have a large bag of tricks dependent on the situation..

to experience engine braking run a long straight into a hairpin or something similar and halfway through braking, lift your foot off all pedals and drop a few more gears, you will see yourself gently slow giving you time to find the apex and get your foot down faster on exit! (the long straight into hairpin will accentuate the sensation, you will see its useful EVERYWHERE again, keeping up that mid corner speed!)

edit - engine braking is far more effective on long corners but the example will give you a great understanding.

goodluck!

 

[photonrider]

Practise makes perfect.

You may also want to practise using the 'Edit' button when you want to add to your previous post instead of creating a new post. 👍

Good Luck! with shifting to manual.

 

[Chrisachi]

Manual does allow you to be faster... although it does allow for cock-ups too. Some cars limiters is pretty close to the shift point.... try and drag that gear out too long and bang, you just lost 6 mph. At the end of the day, it's just something else you've got to get right to be quick.

Also TCS of standing starts with a manual take more judging.

I could never get the hang of manual until I switched to a wheel, and then using an Auto just felt so restricted.

What do you mean by TCS on standing starts? I'm on the Leguna Seca Online Quick race write now and it's false braking grid start should I use ebrake or regular break to stop the car before the start and is their a faster way to do false grid with manual? Also was that what you were talking about and thanks for the reply.

 

[Dagger311]

Jeeze I feel like a Noob, I appreciate the help, I get the high revs part I'm not sure I understand the engine braking part.


I did not know that, by the way sir, I just did my first race on the Leguna Seca Quick race online and GOLIE I noticed a huge difference my only thing is I feel awkward on cornering do you understand engine braking?

Engine braking is when you downshift slightly early, and your engine is spinning too fast. It'll damage cars in real life, but in gt6 you can slow down quicker if you do it right.

 

[carracerptp]

A using "manual" mode will help but not a huge amount in straight line speed.

The key is getting a good corner exit so you can get to the throttle sooner. The really trick to using manual gears is "holding" a gear in a corner. Sometimes in some higher HP cars taking a 2nd gear corner in 3rd gear keeps the car more stable mid corner. Helping you get a better corner exit with more control = less wheel spin = more speed down the straight.

Also "engine braking" is downshifting early when under braking so the engines resistance on the drivetrain helps slow the car so you can brake a bit later.

The really trick is using the engine braking as a brake bias adjustment. In a RWD the engine braking adds more braking force to the rear wheels. This can help cure understeer into a turn.

And also, quite few cars are faster when you shift before the redline. It all depends on the powerband.

 

[Chrisachi]

yup! go for it mate! it will all make sense soon enough and you will have a large bag of tricks dependent on the situation..

to experience engine braking run a long straight into a hairpin or something similar and halfway through braking, lift your foot off all pedals and drop a few more gears, you will see yourself gently slow giving you time to find the apex and get your foot down faster on exit! (the long straight into hairpin will accentuate the sensation, you will see its useful EVERYWHERE again, keeping up that mid corner speed!)

edit - engine braking is far more effective on long corners but the example will give you a great understanding.

goodluck!

I'm on my 5th race now AND I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN just break when the red light is flash shift about halfway and boom, I think you guys jump started my training thank man and EVERYONE this just made the game so much more fun, just got done with my 8th race and ALSO it makes the driving lines make more sense if that makes sense.

Practise makes perfect.

You may also want to practise using the 'Edit' button when you want to add to your previous post instead of creating a new post. 👍

Good Luck! with shifting to manual.

Do you mean like add to what I originally said in my first block of this post and thanks man.

Engine braking is when you downshift slightly early, and your engine is spinning too fast. It'll damage cars in real life, but in gt6 you can slow down quicker if you do it right.

Im starting to understand and it makes the corners feel smoother write and thanks.

 

[Mtla1984]

well done!! keep at it and you will be flying

 

[Chrisachi]

A using "manual" mode will help but not a huge amount in straight line speed.

The key is getting a good corner exit so you can get to the throttle sooner. The really trick to using manual gears is "holding" a gear in a corner. Sometimes in some higher HP cars taking a 2nd gear corner in 3rd gear keeps the car more stable mid corner. Helping you get a better corner exit with more control = less wheel spin = more speed down the straight.

Also "engine braking" is downshifting early when under braking so the engines resistance on the drivetrain helps slow the car so you can brake a bit later.

The really trick is using the engine braking as a brake bias adjustment. In a RWD the engine braking adds more braking force to the rear wheels. This can help cure understeer into a turn.

And also, quite few cars are faster when you shift before the redline. It all depends on the powerband.

Interesting so pretty much it depends and also some cars shift sooner make it faster?! I get what your saying but how can you tell off the power band for example I'm on the Leguna Seca Online Quick Race at the moment, how would I know when to shift this SLS AMG GT3'11 for example or better yet find the power band?

 

[Wide Boy]

Interesting so pretty much it depends and also some cars shift sooner make it faster?! I get what your saying but how can you tell off the power band for example I'm on the Leguna Seca Online Quick Race at the moment, how would I know when to shift this SLS AMG GT3'11 for example or better yet find the power band?

Look at the torque curve you want to shift so you land back on as much torque as possible.

So if the car develops maximum torque early shifting early is faster, very much so in some cases if the torque curve falls off rapidly as you approach maximum revs.
Cars with nice fat torque curves (fairly flat at he top) try to be in that area most of the time.
Its never quicker going into the red as power & torque are dropping away.
When short shifting to prevent wheel spin in lower gears you change gear so you pick up the next one before peak torque (on the upward slope)
Straight forward in most cars, some have very wide torque curves though so you have to shift up pretty early not to land back on it.

 

[carracerptp]

Interesting so pretty much it depends and also some cars shift sooner make it faster?! I get what your saying but how can you tell off the power band for example I'm on the Leguna Seca Online Quick Race at the moment, how would I know when to shift this SLS AMG GT3'11 for example or better yet find the power band?

If you have the car in your garage ( outside of quick race ) you can go into the settings and look at the graph on the lower left:

 

[MonGnoM]

If you have the car in your garage ( outside of quick race ) you can go into the settings and look at the graph on the lower left:

If you look at the graph, the best is to keep the revs at 6500.
Therefor it is the best to keep the gears very close to each other, and maybe shortshifting maybe 100rpm before the redline (if the redline is at 7000. i'm not sure though)

 

[xiando]

Automatic transmissions, real or otherwise, tend to shift somewhat sluggishly (both for "driver comfort" and probably for reduced, or at least controlled drivetrain wear as well... I've worn out a few clutches along the way in real life using manual...). In this game manual shifting is far quicker, whether with the paddles on a wheel or with the buttons on a 6-axis controller. Can't speak for the H-shift, as I don't use h-shifters when the clutch is digital under any circumstance. (There is simply no "realism" in using a clutch that isn't analog in nature.)

Methinks that once you get used to it, you'll find that using the manual transmission is far more pleasurable, both in terms of snappiness and in terms of your ability to control the vehicle. I don't "mind" using an automatic in real life if I have to (as is my present condition), but it sure doesn't give me nearly the same control as I have when using a manual transmission car.

 

[MatskiMonk]

What do you mean by TCS on standing starts? I'm on the Leguna Seca Online Quick race write now and it's false braking grid start should I use ebrake or regular break to stop the car before the start and is their a faster way to do false grid with manual? Also was that what you were talking about and thanks for the reply.

I don't know that event, but, in many cases when you don't have traction control (TCS) on, or you are on Comfort tyres, you will spin up the wheels from a standing start.. this allows the engine to over-rev, and get onto its rev limiter whilst the car is still picking up speed. The trick is to shift from 1st to 2nd at the point the tyres really start to gain traction - and/or the road speed is suitable for the engine speed. If you shift to soon, the revs will drop like a stone, your tyres will get grip and you'll bog down, to late, and you'll be bouncing off the limiter and loosing momentum.

This really depends on the car and what aids and tyres you use.. but in high powered races with aids switched off you'll have to be mindful. It doesn't help that I'm not explaining it very well

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have not checked in GT6. (Manual all the way here) but in GT5 in cars with the HP peaking near the redline, manual or automatic made no difference to lap times. Where it really help was in cars like the Zonda C12 whose power peaked and fell off sharply before the redline. The only advantage in GT5 would be the ability to grab an extra gear and avoid wheelspin in some corners.

 

[toe kutter]

tune the gearbox, the diff can make a difference, how you exit a corner brake before turning usually and power round and out, a wheel can help cornering which in turn improves exit meaning a higher speed down the straight

 

[alexnipi]

Manual is much faster because you can better use the power band, an example grabs suzuki cappuccino and enhance the fullest, as you see the peak of power is far away from redline, you can gain much advantage using the manual shift unlike the automatic change as you know would follow till the limiter and that would make you lose a lot of time and speed.
idk if I expressed myself well English is not my native language

 

[carracerptp]

Manual is much faster because you can better use the power band, an example grabs suzuki cappuccino and enhance the fullest, as you see the peak of power is far away from redline, you can gain much advantage using the manual shift unlike the automatic change as you know would follow till the limiter and that would make you lose a lot of time and speed.
idk if I expressed myself well English is not my native language

You expressed yourself just fine. And yes that car is a great example of a car that truly is much faster with manual gears.

 

[rixtar]

Engine braking is when you downshift slightly early, and your engine is spinning too fast. It'll damage cars in real life, but in gt6 you can slow down quicker if you do it right.

There might be times when I can use just downshifting to slow down without touching the brake pedal. But that's not really what I think of as engine braking.

In general (both in the game and in real life) when approaching a corner I'll use a little bit of brake and then start downshifting, in quick succession. The downshifting enhances the braking. Downshifting too early and over revving the engine can sometimes cause the driven wheels to lock up - and maybe even result in spinning the car when going into the corner.

Also, being in the "right" gear at the right time can help stabilize the car and allow me getting back on the power earlier. Getting turn-in properly synchronized with the downshift scrubs off some speed, too, leading to less use of the brakes.

I'm no fantastic fast driver, my reactions have slowed a bit unfortunately but the above is what I think of as engine braking. Takes practice to get it coordinated.