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*********I have just edited this post with more up-to-date info. I re-ran several of the cars on the hunch that I could get better times now that I have a better feel for Complex String. I also must apologize to the British folks for not including the Lotus and TVR's. As you can see, these cars fall under the requirements of this test (under $100,000 and buyable) and they were quite fast indeed. I also numbered the results to make comparisons easier. I hope this makes a little more sense.******
Hey guys, I don't know if I'm posting this in the right place (if not, I'm really sorry). I spent most of today tearing up complex string in a variety of fast but completely stock (unmodified) cars. My goal was to compare the diffrent makes and models with each other in 4 seperate categories: Lap time, 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile time, and price. I went about this test as though the cars were real and not just a collection of polygons on a screen.
The rules are as follows. Each car was given 2 hot laps at Complex String with the ASM and TCS off and the best time was recorded. Keep in mind that driver skill level does play into this (I'm a reasonably adept GT3 driver but I'm sure a few people here could get faster times under the same circumstances). Since I drove all the cars as fast as I could over those 2 laps, I think the times are a fairly accurate assessment of each car's abilities. As for the acceleration numbers, each car was limited to 1 run on the 400 meter course (I know it's not exactly a 1/4 mile, but it's pretty close), with the TCS set to 1, and that time was recorded. I paused the replay as each car hit 60 mph to obtain that time (I tried to be as accurate as possible but a +/- .05 second margin of error is to be expected). The MSRP (or manufacturer's suggested retail price) of each car is denoted by $ but is, of course, measured in Gran Turismo Credit units.
The results are as follows:
GT3 Complex String lap times:
1) Tuscan Speed Six(351 hp) - 4'48.836
2) Griffith 500(331 hp) - 4'52.326
3) Boxster 3400S(298 hp) - 4'52.567
*4) Corvette Z06(369 hp) - 4'53.514
5) Viper GTS(439 hp) - 4'54.061
*6) NSX Type R(266 hp) - 4'58.350
*7) RX-7 Type RZ(282 hp) - 4'59.618
*8) Supra RZ(318 hp) - 5'01.117
9) Skyline GT-R R34(323 hp) - 5'01.757
*10) Camaro SS(317 hp) - 5'02.611
*11) Mustang SVT Cobra R(358 hp) - 5'03.265
12) Elise 190(182 hp) - 5'03.330
*13) Evo VII GSR(307 hp) - 5'07.043
*14) Impreza WRX STi(303 hp) - 5'08.189
15) S2000 Type V(237 hp) - 5'12.102
16) 3000GT VR-4(308 hp) - 5'12.843
17) 300ZX Twin Turbo(269 hp) - 5'13.593
18) MR2 GT-S(240 hp) - 5'15.696
19) Integra Type R(191hp) - 5'26.857
20) Celica SS-II(180 hp) - 5'32.175
*-denotes cars re-tested
0-60 in order:
1) Viper GTS - 4.150 secs
2) Evo VII GSR - 4.450 secs
3) Skyline GT-R R34 - 4.483 secs
4) Tuscan Speed Six - 4.516 secs
5) Impreza WRX STi - 4.616 secs
6) Corvette Z06 - 4.716 secs
7) Griffith 500 - 4.950 secs
8) NSX Type R - 4.983 secs
9) 3000GT VR-4 - 5.000 secs
10) Mustang SVT Cobra R - 5.050 secs
11) Boxster 3400S - 5.166 secs
12) Camaro SS - 5.266 secs
13) RX-7 Type RZ - 5.400 secs
14) Supra RZ - 5.616 secs
15) Elise 190 - 5.733 secs
16) S2000 Type V - 6.050 secs
17) MR2 GT-S - 6.166 secs
18) 300ZX Twin Turbo - 6.216 secs
19) Integra Type R - 8.283 secs
20) Celica SS-II - 8.933 secs
1/4 mile in order:
1) Viper GTS - 12.563 @ 112 mph
2)Tuscan Speed Six - 12.812 @ 112 mph
3) Corvette Z06 - 13.177 @ 108 mph
4) Skyline GT-R - 13.204 @ 102 mph
5) Griffith 500 - 13.212 @ 110 mph
6) Evo VII GSR - 13.295 @ 102 mph
7) Impreza WRX STi - 13.421 @ 101 mph
8) NSX Type R - 13.494 @ 103 mph
9) Mustang SVT Cobra R - 13.557 @ 105 mph
10) Boxster 3400S - 13.592 @ 106 mph
11) Camaro SS - 13.818 @ 102 mph
12) 3000GT VR-4 - 13.832 @ 97 mph
13) RX-7 Type RZ - 14.074 @ 100 mph
14) Elise 190 - 14.155 @ 98 mph
15) Supra RZ - 14.158 @ 104 mph
16) MR2 GT-S - 14.527 @ 95 mph
17) S2000 Type V - 14.561 @ 95 mph
18) 300ZX Twin Turbo - 14.781 @ 97 mph
19) Integra Type R - 16.207 @ 89 mph
20) Celica SS-II - 16.809 @ 86 mph
MSRP:
-Honda
Integra Type R - $25,160
S2000 Type V - $35,600
NSX Type R - $99,570
-Mazda
RX-7 Type RZ - $39,980
-Mitsubishi
Evo VII GSR - $29,980
3000GT VR-4 - $43,230
-Nissan
Skyline GT-R - $57,480
300ZX Twin Turbo - $39,900
-Subaru
Impreza WRX STi - $31,980
-Toyota
Celica SS-II - $19,700
MR2 GT-S - $27,130
Supra RZ - $44,800
-Chevrolet
Camaro SS - $29,530
Corvette Z06 - $54,000
-Dodge
Viper GTS - $78,680
-Ford
Mustang SVT Cobra R - $31,150
-Porsche
Boxster 3400S - $76,740
-TVR
Griffith 500 - $62,410
Tuscan Speed Six - $80,780
-Lotus
Elise 190 - $58,530
**The Boxster remains the class of this group. Though short on hp, it was able to keep up with the high hp cars in this group in the acceleration tests, yet blow them away with it's unrivaled handling prowess on the track. It is a testament to the suspension tuning and weight reduction efforts by Ruf that this car was so thoroughly dominant on Complex String.
If, however, you do not feel that a tuner car (Ruf is a tuner company that modifies stock Porsches with handling and engine upgrades) should have been allowed in this "unmodified" comparison, you should look no further than the Viper GTS as the ruler of the "stock car" crown. With 439 hp on tap, it absolutely smoked everything else on the acceleration tests. On the track, the Viper was smooth and controllable, if a little loose. The long straightaway gave a huge advantage to the big Dodge as it reached 165 mph before slowing for turn 1. Make no mistake, the Viper is the fastest unmodified, non-race car in GT3 (besides the Ruf, though we've already been through that).
Very closely behind the Viper was the Corvette Z06. This thing flat out mashes and I really loved the great balance of handling and power in this package. The Corvette has alot of power and it is very easy to put it down on the asphalt. THis car is no where near as tail-happy as you might think and if you are looking for value, it is priced $20,000 less than the only other two cars that are faster.
The best of the rest.
The true surprise in this comparo was the incredible times put in by the NSX. Keep in mind that this mid-engine wonder has only 266 hp (5th lowest in group), yet managed to finish 4th at Complex String (less than 5 seconds slower than the Corvette, which has 103 more hp!). Great balance and low weight help the NSX achieve this high level of on-track performance.
There were also alot of "mini-battles" included in this test. The battle of best 4-door rallying machine between the Evo VII and the Impreza WRX comes to mind. On the track, these two cars were incredibly close with the Evo snatching bragging rights by just 2/10 of a second. The surprising stat here has got to be the Evo's showing in the acceleration tests. It was second overall in the 0-60 and fourth in 1/4 mile, just 1/10 of a second behind the much more powerful Corvette. The Impreza was also very fast in the acceleration tests.
Another "mini-battle" was between the Mustang Cobra and Camaro SS for the crown of American muscle car. Again, both of these cars are very evenly matched according to the data. The true diffrences lie in the actual driving. The Mustang is simply more fun to drive. It is a bit ragged and has a severe list to it as it goes around corners, but that power comes on in a rush and leaves you with a smile on your face. The Camaro is more civilized (read: slower) and feels more like going on a date with your sister. I'd give the nod to the pony car in this one.
The big loser of this battle would have to be the 3000GT VR-4. THis car was beaten by five cars at Complex String with less hp than it and finished a dismal 13th place (20 seconds slower than the Boxster, a car with 10 LESS hp!!). One thing stands out when driving this car: It is way too heavy. Driving it feels like trying to run an obstacle course with a cow on your back. It is that bad.
There were a couple of cars that I included here that had absolutely no chance of winning, but I just wanted to see how more average cars might fair against this competition. Predictably, the Integra and Celica finished dead last in every category with the Honda being quite a bit quicker than the Toyota. I actually drove the Celica right after the Viper and it felt like I was driving a riding lawnmower by comparison! To sum up, these two cars had no business in this test, but are pretty quick little cars in their own way.
Well, there you have it. I hope this is at least an enjoyable read for you guys. I really enjoyed comparing and contrasting all of these diffrent vehicles and would definitely be interested in any of your comments. Laterz!
**Obviously the above statement should be amended. Let it be known that the TVR Tuscan Speed Six is undeniably the fastest unmodified, non-race car available in GT3 for under $100,000. It is extremely tractable for the amount of power available. THe Tuscan is positively unflappable around the tight corners that make up Complex String and has plenty of power to boot. It was the only car that managed a sub-5'50 time out of this group and amazed me with it's incredible control. In summary, all hail the British colossus: TVR!
Hey guys, I don't know if I'm posting this in the right place (if not, I'm really sorry). I spent most of today tearing up complex string in a variety of fast but completely stock (unmodified) cars. My goal was to compare the diffrent makes and models with each other in 4 seperate categories: Lap time, 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile time, and price. I went about this test as though the cars were real and not just a collection of polygons on a screen.
The rules are as follows. Each car was given 2 hot laps at Complex String with the ASM and TCS off and the best time was recorded. Keep in mind that driver skill level does play into this (I'm a reasonably adept GT3 driver but I'm sure a few people here could get faster times under the same circumstances). Since I drove all the cars as fast as I could over those 2 laps, I think the times are a fairly accurate assessment of each car's abilities. As for the acceleration numbers, each car was limited to 1 run on the 400 meter course (I know it's not exactly a 1/4 mile, but it's pretty close), with the TCS set to 1, and that time was recorded. I paused the replay as each car hit 60 mph to obtain that time (I tried to be as accurate as possible but a +/- .05 second margin of error is to be expected). The MSRP (or manufacturer's suggested retail price) of each car is denoted by $ but is, of course, measured in Gran Turismo Credit units.
The results are as follows:
GT3 Complex String lap times:
1) Tuscan Speed Six(351 hp) - 4'48.836
2) Griffith 500(331 hp) - 4'52.326
3) Boxster 3400S(298 hp) - 4'52.567
*4) Corvette Z06(369 hp) - 4'53.514
5) Viper GTS(439 hp) - 4'54.061
*6) NSX Type R(266 hp) - 4'58.350
*7) RX-7 Type RZ(282 hp) - 4'59.618
*8) Supra RZ(318 hp) - 5'01.117
9) Skyline GT-R R34(323 hp) - 5'01.757
*10) Camaro SS(317 hp) - 5'02.611
*11) Mustang SVT Cobra R(358 hp) - 5'03.265
12) Elise 190(182 hp) - 5'03.330
*13) Evo VII GSR(307 hp) - 5'07.043
*14) Impreza WRX STi(303 hp) - 5'08.189
15) S2000 Type V(237 hp) - 5'12.102
16) 3000GT VR-4(308 hp) - 5'12.843
17) 300ZX Twin Turbo(269 hp) - 5'13.593
18) MR2 GT-S(240 hp) - 5'15.696
19) Integra Type R(191hp) - 5'26.857
20) Celica SS-II(180 hp) - 5'32.175
*-denotes cars re-tested
0-60 in order:
1) Viper GTS - 4.150 secs
2) Evo VII GSR - 4.450 secs
3) Skyline GT-R R34 - 4.483 secs
4) Tuscan Speed Six - 4.516 secs
5) Impreza WRX STi - 4.616 secs
6) Corvette Z06 - 4.716 secs
7) Griffith 500 - 4.950 secs
8) NSX Type R - 4.983 secs
9) 3000GT VR-4 - 5.000 secs
10) Mustang SVT Cobra R - 5.050 secs
11) Boxster 3400S - 5.166 secs
12) Camaro SS - 5.266 secs
13) RX-7 Type RZ - 5.400 secs
14) Supra RZ - 5.616 secs
15) Elise 190 - 5.733 secs
16) S2000 Type V - 6.050 secs
17) MR2 GT-S - 6.166 secs
18) 300ZX Twin Turbo - 6.216 secs
19) Integra Type R - 8.283 secs
20) Celica SS-II - 8.933 secs
1/4 mile in order:
1) Viper GTS - 12.563 @ 112 mph
2)Tuscan Speed Six - 12.812 @ 112 mph
3) Corvette Z06 - 13.177 @ 108 mph
4) Skyline GT-R - 13.204 @ 102 mph
5) Griffith 500 - 13.212 @ 110 mph
6) Evo VII GSR - 13.295 @ 102 mph
7) Impreza WRX STi - 13.421 @ 101 mph
8) NSX Type R - 13.494 @ 103 mph
9) Mustang SVT Cobra R - 13.557 @ 105 mph
10) Boxster 3400S - 13.592 @ 106 mph
11) Camaro SS - 13.818 @ 102 mph
12) 3000GT VR-4 - 13.832 @ 97 mph
13) RX-7 Type RZ - 14.074 @ 100 mph
14) Elise 190 - 14.155 @ 98 mph
15) Supra RZ - 14.158 @ 104 mph
16) MR2 GT-S - 14.527 @ 95 mph
17) S2000 Type V - 14.561 @ 95 mph
18) 300ZX Twin Turbo - 14.781 @ 97 mph
19) Integra Type R - 16.207 @ 89 mph
20) Celica SS-II - 16.809 @ 86 mph
MSRP:
-Honda
Integra Type R - $25,160
S2000 Type V - $35,600
NSX Type R - $99,570
-Mazda
RX-7 Type RZ - $39,980
-Mitsubishi
Evo VII GSR - $29,980
3000GT VR-4 - $43,230
-Nissan
Skyline GT-R - $57,480
300ZX Twin Turbo - $39,900
-Subaru
Impreza WRX STi - $31,980
-Toyota
Celica SS-II - $19,700
MR2 GT-S - $27,130
Supra RZ - $44,800
-Chevrolet
Camaro SS - $29,530
Corvette Z06 - $54,000
-Dodge
Viper GTS - $78,680
-Ford
Mustang SVT Cobra R - $31,150
-Porsche
Boxster 3400S - $76,740
-TVR
Griffith 500 - $62,410
Tuscan Speed Six - $80,780
-Lotus
Elise 190 - $58,530
**The Boxster remains the class of this group. Though short on hp, it was able to keep up with the high hp cars in this group in the acceleration tests, yet blow them away with it's unrivaled handling prowess on the track. It is a testament to the suspension tuning and weight reduction efforts by Ruf that this car was so thoroughly dominant on Complex String.
If, however, you do not feel that a tuner car (Ruf is a tuner company that modifies stock Porsches with handling and engine upgrades) should have been allowed in this "unmodified" comparison, you should look no further than the Viper GTS as the ruler of the "stock car" crown. With 439 hp on tap, it absolutely smoked everything else on the acceleration tests. On the track, the Viper was smooth and controllable, if a little loose. The long straightaway gave a huge advantage to the big Dodge as it reached 165 mph before slowing for turn 1. Make no mistake, the Viper is the fastest unmodified, non-race car in GT3 (besides the Ruf, though we've already been through that).
Very closely behind the Viper was the Corvette Z06. This thing flat out mashes and I really loved the great balance of handling and power in this package. The Corvette has alot of power and it is very easy to put it down on the asphalt. THis car is no where near as tail-happy as you might think and if you are looking for value, it is priced $20,000 less than the only other two cars that are faster.
The best of the rest.
The true surprise in this comparo was the incredible times put in by the NSX. Keep in mind that this mid-engine wonder has only 266 hp (5th lowest in group), yet managed to finish 4th at Complex String (less than 5 seconds slower than the Corvette, which has 103 more hp!). Great balance and low weight help the NSX achieve this high level of on-track performance.
There were also alot of "mini-battles" included in this test. The battle of best 4-door rallying machine between the Evo VII and the Impreza WRX comes to mind. On the track, these two cars were incredibly close with the Evo snatching bragging rights by just 2/10 of a second. The surprising stat here has got to be the Evo's showing in the acceleration tests. It was second overall in the 0-60 and fourth in 1/4 mile, just 1/10 of a second behind the much more powerful Corvette. The Impreza was also very fast in the acceleration tests.
Another "mini-battle" was between the Mustang Cobra and Camaro SS for the crown of American muscle car. Again, both of these cars are very evenly matched according to the data. The true diffrences lie in the actual driving. The Mustang is simply more fun to drive. It is a bit ragged and has a severe list to it as it goes around corners, but that power comes on in a rush and leaves you with a smile on your face. The Camaro is more civilized (read: slower) and feels more like going on a date with your sister. I'd give the nod to the pony car in this one.
The big loser of this battle would have to be the 3000GT VR-4. THis car was beaten by five cars at Complex String with less hp than it and finished a dismal 13th place (20 seconds slower than the Boxster, a car with 10 LESS hp!!). One thing stands out when driving this car: It is way too heavy. Driving it feels like trying to run an obstacle course with a cow on your back. It is that bad.
There were a couple of cars that I included here that had absolutely no chance of winning, but I just wanted to see how more average cars might fair against this competition. Predictably, the Integra and Celica finished dead last in every category with the Honda being quite a bit quicker than the Toyota. I actually drove the Celica right after the Viper and it felt like I was driving a riding lawnmower by comparison! To sum up, these two cars had no business in this test, but are pretty quick little cars in their own way.
Well, there you have it. I hope this is at least an enjoyable read for you guys. I really enjoyed comparing and contrasting all of these diffrent vehicles and would definitely be interested in any of your comments. Laterz!
**Obviously the above statement should be amended. Let it be known that the TVR Tuscan Speed Six is undeniably the fastest unmodified, non-race car available in GT3 for under $100,000. It is extremely tractable for the amount of power available. THe Tuscan is positively unflappable around the tight corners that make up Complex String and has plenty of power to boot. It was the only car that managed a sub-5'50 time out of this group and amazed me with it's incredible control. In summary, all hail the British colossus: TVR!
Very nice "piece o' work" Majin SSJ Eric !!! 👍
As for the S2000, I didn't really pay attention to the variable steering. I picked it because it was more expensive and thought it would be the best available model (all of the cars tested were the most expensive example available so as to ensure the highest hp for each model). Again, I will test the other S2000 and compare it's times to the Spec V and we will have a definitive answer as to whether the variable steering affects lap times. Thanks for the input! 
